It's Club Soccer - Don't Complain About it

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    Due to the shorter distance to the plate, the time for a fastpitch softball to go from the pitcher to the catcher is shorter than in baseball. Somewhere on the internet is a video of MLB batters being embarrassed by a college softball pitcher.

    Do you really think 25 years is enough time to erase centuries of discrimination?
     
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    Stop wasting your efforts.

    T9 is effectively an entitlement program and its irrelevant if it makes sense or not. It just is.
     
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    You gotta do the math.

    Baseball pitched at 95mph=139 ft/s over 90 ft distance = 1.54 ft/s
    Softball pitched at 60mph=88 ft/s over 60 ft distance = 1.47 ft/s

    Baseball is moving faster. On the top of that, the velocity difference between a fastball, breaking ball and change up can be over 0.25 ft/s over the 90 ft distance so the timing is changed significantly (~16%).

    The thing with softball pitch that makes it difficult for baseball batters to hit is fact that the players are not used to the ball rising over the trajectory rather down coming down. Not the relative speed over the distance.
     
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    That should be 1.54 seconds and 1.47 seconds.

    You're welcome.
     
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    Regarding fast pitch softball vs. baseball: It's been scientifically demonstrated that it is impossible for hitters (either softball or baseball) to see and react to the ball after it comes out of the hand. Human reaction time and neuro-communication isn't fast enough. Their ability to hit the ball comes from anticipation. That anticipation is grooved in from years of experience and visual observation. The reason MLB players struggle at hitting fast-pitch softball pitches is because they can't anticipate the ball location because the visual cues are completely different than what they are trained on. If you gave an MLB player a week of practice, they would adjust and be going yard soon enough. It works the other way, too. If you put a good fast-pitch softball hitter at the plate against a 90mph MLB flame-thrower, they'd strike out, too. It has nothing to do with one being "harder" or "faster" than the other.
     
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    Thanks for catching my error but actually its inverse as I did it while in a meeting in a conference room and did it upside down.

    90 ft covered at 139 ft/sec = 0.65 sec to go from the mound to home plates.

    60 ft covered at 88 ft/sec = 0.68 sec to go from the pitching plate to home plate for softball.

    Technically, smaller baseball results in shorter reaction time than bigger softball by 0.03 seconds.

    The basic point is still the same and valid
     
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    Wow. In that last statement you are basically stating that female collegiate athletes who have been awarded scholarships are not dedicated, do not practice, and do not love their sports.

    ... And the money should go to boys instead... because they are more worthy... because????... the boys have practiced and loved their sports more... of course.

    That is a bold statement.

    Your thinking is really the textbook definition of why Title 9 is necessary.
     
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    Try landing a a backward-handspring-double-back-flip combination on a balance beam (Simone Biles).
     
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    You should also correct for the actual release point which brings both closer to the batter.
     
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    If you're going to count that, include the batter's box dimension and where the hitter stands too...

    And actually, my original post was correct. I was talking about the rate the ball travels and not how long it takes to get to the plate. Your post correcting me confused me so I recalculated for amount of time it takes to get to the plate based on established distances.

    Btw, did you ever play baseball? I did. Or are you just pontificating as usual....
     
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    Can we move the debate to something more important: who would win in a fight - Mighty Mouse or Superman?
     
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    And a Softball pitcher typically leaves the rubber before releasing the ball so the distance is even closer.

    The two toughest pitches to hit for a Baseball player in Softball? Rise and change-up.
     
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    Who cares about equality in sports. The goal for women is equality in pay in the workforce. Honestly you are selling women short. There's more famous women C-Level executives in the IT industry now a days. Don't focus on the athletic part of the equality because the market will continue to sell men's sports over women's sports. Consumers will continue to watch male sports over women's sports. Our own daughters prefer to watch men's baseball over softball on TV. Us women's soccer and gymnastics are the only exception.
     
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    "More" than what? Before?
     
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    Yes but still not enough and the ceiling for women unfortunately stays at the level below CEO. There needs to be a bigger balance and I would rather see scholarship money going into women interested in math, science, finance, instead of scholarships for sports.
     
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    Are the two mutually exclusive?

    Some women excel at math, science, finance-- and some excel at sports.

    I know what you are saying, and I'm not trying to jump on you, but it is telling--- women deserve opportunities in all of these areas.
     
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    They do but Ultimately a career in softball, gymnastics, basketball ends in college and even women's soccer or men's soccer doesn't lead to a profitable career. MLS pays $60k or so. Honestly most sports for both men and women don't lead to much money. The big 3 do lead to a very rewarding professional career with lots of money but it's still a very small percentage of the overall athletic population.

    Bottom line colleges are giving away too much money on sports both men and women. In my industry starting salaries begin at $80k and robotics and other science begin at $100k. I would never want my daughter to do college sports. I want her to be a scientist or engineering. for now youth soccer is awesome for my little one and I will enjoy it until it ends.
     
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    But what does she want? I am an engineer and firmly believe only people that really want to be engineers should be engineers. The others don't make very good engineers. There are many ways to be successful and I stress to my children to look at the big picture and try to fit their interests towards a career that is both financially and personally rewarding.
     
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    I just want to say that playing collegiate sports and technical/STEM BS are not mutually exclusive.

    There are plenty of STEM majors playing all sort of sports and getting good grades.
     
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    This statement is true just about every professional career, not just engineers....
     
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