ECNL Broken?

[Soccerhelper]

For phoenix the word is Sept 10th. But they are going to be implementing a whole bunch of measures and will have roving compliance personal to monitor. So expect the clubs to be cracking down on people not following the guidelines. Don't want to lose those fields again....

"According to a Phoenix news release, outside organizations and teams will be able to reserve the fields if they agree to follow safety procedures: “including having spectators, officials and coaches wear a mask or face covering; maintaining six feet between field and spectators; and limiting the participants on a field to 48 youths or 24 adults.”

Hall said that teams and organizations must agree to self-monitor during their activities on the fields.

“This process will be enhanced by (organizations) having an on-site compliance person. In addition, we have rovers who visit multiple park sites during their shift,” she said.

Hall mentioned that city personnel would observe games and practices to ensure safety measures are implemented."

Deal!!!!

 

[EOTL]

You are missing my point...I have no problem with people enjoying their kid is in ECNL...hell, you better! You are paying a $#%# load for it! I do disagree that you are playing the best...hell, some ECNL teams suck. You are playing the best who are willing to pay...can't change that fact. Ya, I know some clubs offer scholarships...but they don't cover everything and they don't offer it to all...hell, how could they? Numbers wouldn't work out.

Anyway, my point being is ECNL is everything that is broken about USA soccer...it isn't about creating the best players...its about separating parents from their $$$. If it was about creating the best players we would have regional Allstar teams that deserving players would attend...players would continue to play with their local clubs of their choice. Go read what France is doing...there is a reason they dominate the world football scene. So stupid we have kids travel hours multiple times a week to play with an "Elite" team...most ECNL girls are so burnt out by the time they get to 17/18 that they don't even want to play in college.

The US should definitely abandon ship and start doing what France is doing given France’s complete domination. I mean France did come in 4th in the 2011 WC and again at the 2012 Olympics after all. Never mind that the US has won the last two WC, was unlucky not to win the one before that, and has handed France its ass in every meaningful game in history, including on its own turf last year.

In the ECNL era, there is no question ECNL has produced most of the WNT players and college All-Americans. Approximately 90% of ECNL players also play in college. I believe all but two Stanford players who grew up in the US played ECNL. Claiming ECNL burns everyone out so they don’t play in college is just wrong. Yes, like anything done at an elite level, it burns some people out, but that is the nature of doing anything at an elite level.

And this nonsense about regional all star teams is a joke. No one gets better playing on an occasional all star team. They do get better being challenged every day for years by elite teammates, coaches and competition, and the vast majority of them can be found in ECNL. All star teams were what the US did with the likes of ODP during an era in which Germany was kicking its ass.

Complaining about the cost of ECNL is just sour grapes by those who don’t want to pay what things cost. If you want the Ferrari, yes, it costs a lot more than the Kia.

 

[happy9]

The US should definitely abandon ship and start doing what France is doing given France’s complete domination. I mean France did come in 4th in the 2011 WC and again at the 2012 Olympics after all. Never mind that the US has won the last two WC, was unlucky not to win the one before that, and has handed France its ass in every meaningful game in history, including on its own turf last year.

In the ECNL era, there is no question ECNL has produced most of the WNT players and college All-Americans. Approximately 90% of ECNL players also play in college. I believe all but two Stanford players who grew up in the US played ECNL. Claiming ECNL burns everyone out so they don’t play in college is just wrong. Yes, like anything done at an elite level, it burns some people out, but that is the nature of doing anything at an elite level.

And this nonsense about regional all star teams is a joke. No one gets better playing on an occasional all star team. They do get better being challenged every day for years by elite teammates, coaches and competition, and the vast majority of them can be found in ECNL. All star teams were what the US did with the likes of ODP during an era in which Germany was kicking its ass.

Complaining about the cost of ECNL is just sour grapes by those who don’t want to pay what things cost. If you want the Ferrari, yes, it costs a lot more than the Kia.

ECNL= Capitalism at it's best.

 

[Soccer43]

Most clubs pay for air fare to finals for players (or was it the hotel, as I recall (plus a little swag ) Then again it depends on club. Car pooling helps with weekly practice as well as room sharing with other player and parent for out of state travel, unless you make it a mini vacation for you and family.

That is to the finals not playoffs, so 4 teams may get a break on some of that travel. The other 64 teams traveling to “playoffs” do not get that. Carpooling only works if you have someone near you on the same team and that doesn’t always work out that way; in terms of hotels for any club we have been with the players were required to stay with the team and we were told what our expense was for that privaledge - the costs we were charged was not always transparent nor add up well

 

[dad4]

The US should definitely abandon ship and start doing what France is doing given France’s complete domination. I mean France did come in 4th in the 2011 WC and again at the 2012 Olympics after all. Never mind that the US has won the last two WC, was unlucky not to win the one before that, and has handed France its ass in every meaningful game in history, including on its own turf last year.

In the ECNL era, there is no question ECNL has produced most of the WNT players and college All-Americans. Approximately 90% of ECNL players also play in college. I believe all but two Stanford players who grew up in the US played ECNL. Claiming ECNL burns everyone out so they don’t play in college is just wrong. Yes, like anything done at an elite level, it burns some people out, but that is the nature of doing anything at an elite level.

And this nonsense about regional all star teams is a joke. No one gets better playing on an occasional all star team. They do get better being challenged every day for years by elite teammates, coaches and competition, and the vast majority of them can be found in ECNL. All star teams were what the US did with the likes of ODP during an era in which Germany was kicking its ass.

Complaining about the cost of ECNL is just sour grapes by those who don’t want to pay what things cost. If you want the Ferrari, yes, it costs a lot more than the Kia.

And, like a new Ferrari, it is relatively common for ECNL to total the vehicle.

Say, how many Blues players were in the shop with ACL tears the last 2 years?

 

[EOTL]

And, like a new Ferrari, it is relatively common for ECNL to total the vehicle.

Say, how many Blues players were in the shop with ACL tears the last 2 years?

The last GDA mafioso. If a club abuses your child, that is on you and, to a lesser extent, the club. It has nothing to do with the ECNL platform. And, of course, Blues also participated in GDA.

You, as the parent, are responsible for your child. Put her on the pill. Speak with your club DOC and coach about safety and expectations to make sure she doesn’t play full 90 minutes. In ECNL, no one is required to play an entire game with no breaks, so you should be good unless you’re one of those whiny p**sies who is too chicken to talk with a coach about your kid’s safety.

 

[EOTL]

ECNL= Capitalism at it's best.

AKA: you get what you pay for.

 

[dad4]

... so you should be good unless you’re one of those whiny p**sies who is too chicken to talk with a coach about your kid’s safety.

So how many surgeries per year at your club? How many repeat concussions?

Or are you one of those whiny little p**sies who is too chicken to answer a direct question about kids' safety?

 

[EOTL]

So how many surgeries per year at your club? How many repeat concussions?

Or are you one of those whiny little p**sies who is too chicken to answer a direct question about kids' safety?

GDA lost. It’s over. It should not be a surprise. Can’t say I didn’t warn you.

 

[happy9]

AKA: you get what you pay for.

Ha - or what you are sold. But this argument can become tedious and circular in nature. ECNL does what it claims well enough that it's highly sought after and coveted. Nothing wrong with that. But to be fair, it's pay to play for those that can. And if you refute that, then self awareness is not a trait that you possess (and I don't mean you specifically). All on this forum wear the badge, whether it's ECNL, GDA/GA or (insert your elite league here).

 

[TOSDCI]

And, like a new Ferrari, it is relatively common for ECNL to total the vehicle.

Say, how many Blues players were in the shop with ACL tears the last 2 years?

I feel like that is a Blues problem and not an ECNL as a whole problem.

 

[EOTL]

Ha - or what you are sold. But this argument can become tedious and circular in nature. ECNL does what it claims well enough that it's highly sought after and coveted. Nothing wrong with that. But to be fair, it's pay to play for those that can. And if you refute that, then self awareness is not a trait that you possess (and I don't mean you specifically). All on this forum wear the badge, whether it's ECNL, GDA/GA or (insert your elite league here).

Pay to play. Pay to get piano lessons. Pay to eat. Pay to live under a roof. Pay to own a car. Pay, pay, pay. It’s almost like that is how things work.

 

[dad4]

I feel like that is a Blues problem and not an ECNL as a whole problem.

Yes, but Blues players aren’t the only ones they injure.

ECNL could put a stop to it by rewriting the ECNL referee guidance. The wrecking ball at CM strategy doesn’t work if your wrecking ball gets a red card.

 

[Highlander]

The US should definitely abandon ship and start doing what France is doing given France’s complete domination. I mean France did come in 4th in the 2011 WC and again at the 2012 Olympics after all. Never mind that the US has won the last two WC, was unlucky not to win the one before that, and has handed France its ass in every meaningful game in history, including on its own turf last year.

In the ECNL era, there is no question ECNL has produced most of the WNT players and college All-Americans. Approximately 90% of ECNL players also play in college. I believe all but two Stanford players who grew up in the US played ECNL. Claiming ECNL burns everyone out so they don’t play in college is just wrong. Yes, like anything done at an elite level, it burns some people out, but that is the nature of doing anything at an elite level.

And this nonsense about regional all star teams is a joke. No one gets better playing on an occasional all star team. They do get better being challenged every day for years by elite teammates, coaches and competition, and the vast majority of them can be found in ECNL. All star teams were what the US did with the likes of ODP during an era in which Germany was kicking its ass.

Complaining about the cost of ECNL is just sour grapes by those who don’t want to pay what things cost. If you want the Ferrari, yes, it costs a lot more than the Kia.

No doubt on the womens side we are ahead...but it isn't because of ECNL. On the mens side France crushes everyone - just go look at the numbers of French players playing in high level pro leagues...its not even a question that their methods are the best. And guess what they do...regional "all-star" teams. Mbappe played on his local club to the end of his amateur career. The rest of the world is and will catch up and pass the USWNT if we keep down this path.

Here are the 2019 ECNL #'s:

• Girls ECNL Class of 2019: 1,633
• Total Players Playing Collegiate Soccer: 1,156

Much better than I would have thought....but not 90%. Still, I can't get past that you could take those same $'s you spent on ECNL/Travel and put that into a college fund that that most of these kids would have been better off.

End of the day, I think it's a crappy system that is based off of what the parents are willing to spend as much if not more than the kids actual ability. IMO we need to do better.

 

[Dubs]

Ha - or what you are sold. But this argument can become tedious and circular in nature. ECNL does what it claims well enough that it's highly sought after and coveted. Nothing wrong with that. But to be fair, it's pay to play for those that can. And if you refute that, then self awareness is not a trait that you possess (and I don't mean you specifically). All on this forum wear the badge, whether it's ECNL, GDA/GA or (insert your elite league here).

It's all pay to play! Yes ECNL is more and so was the DA, but this is our system. Whether you play for a big club that supports the elite league or a smaller local club that plays only NPL/CRL.

 

[Highlander]

Since I'm here...I'm curious what you guys have seen in team turn over year to year on your DD's ECNL teams? 3-4 players? More? Less?

 

[futboldad1]

Yes, but Blues players aren’t the only ones they injure.

ECNL could put a stop to it by rewriting the ECNL referee guidance. The wrecking ball at CM strategy doesn’t work if your wrecking ball gets a red card.

You sure have an axe to grind with ECNL and ECNL clubs located in SoCal..... especially for someone who says they're "from NorCal" and only "has a u-little"......

 

[Desert Hound]

Since I'm here...I'm curious what you guys have seen in team turn over year to year on your DD's ECNL teams? 3-4 players? More? Less?

I think generally you get more turnover in the first couple of years. Those are the years when teams are formed. And then the following year, the teams may find some kids didnt work out, have others of interest come in, etc.

At the older years you will get less turnover as the teams are more set.

That said...when you have new leagues start (DA) and then a league collapses (DA) you will get more movement vs normal.

 

[dad4]

You sure have an axe to grind with ECNL and ECNL clubs located in SoCal..... especially for someone who says they're "from NorCal" and only "has a u-little"......

I’m kind of pissed at the safety record of youth sports in general. Too many people willing to watch kids get hurt, then call people “pussy” when they point out the injuries. ECNL are injury central for girls soccer, so they get the attention. GDA was just as bad.

Why pick on Blues?
1- They have a reputation for the style of play that creates injuries.
2- They have the power within ECNL that they could help fix the problem, if they cared.
3- If Blues continue to win by creating injuries, other clubs will try to copy what they do and more girls will get hurt.

I don’t only have a ulittle. I also have an older kid who had to quit all sports after an injury.

 

[Kicker4Life]

I’m kind of pissed at the safety record of youth sports in general. Too many people willing to watch kids get hurt, then call people “pussy” when they point out the injuries. ECNL are injury central for girls soccer, so they get the attention. GDA was just as bad.

Why pick on Blues?
1- They have a reputation for the style of play that creates injuries.
2- They have the power within ECNL that they could help fix the problem, if they cared.
3- If Blues continue to win by creating injuries, other clubs will try to copy what they do and more girls will get hurt.

I don’t only have a ulittle. I also have an older kid who had to quit all sports after an injury.

So none of your kids play soccer?