DA is like going to Harvard???

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  1. USA_SOCCER_1

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    Probably the maximum number allowed by the NCAA (whatever that is) but then again gridiron football is the number one money making sport in my university and most others as well, I believe.
     
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    And that is why all the other sports are unbalanced.
     
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    I don’t really know what you mean by “unbalanced.” But historically, gridiron football has basically generated the revenue that paid for the other sports.
     
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    Unbalanced between men and women. Title IX requires the same number of scholarships be issued to women as men. If a school has 85 (yes 85 in the "bowl" subdivision) full ride scholarships for football, all going to men, that leaves 85 more scholarships available to women playing other sports (like soccer).
     
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    It's not the scholarships, it's the total number of male athletes (regardless of scholarships). Football has a lot participants, so that's what creates the imbalance. The same imbalance exists at non-scholarship schools if the school participates in football.
     
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    I agree with the spirit of that, but the "same number" thing includes factors like relative gender population of the school, demand, student support, etc.
     
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    Most college football programs lose money. The big football schools make a bunch of money from football, but again, most schools lose money on football (and all the other sports).
     
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    Mine doesn’t. (Lose money on football I mean). Also, a nice win last night (48-3) and another rise in the polls. GO DOGS!!
     
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    With Tedford as coach, things could quickly change. He is demanding the same "investments" in the program as he did at Cal after a few successful seasons. That, of course, created the current disaster that is Cal's athletic budget. Fresno State needs to solve its game attendance problems to increase gate receipts. A few successful seasons could go a long way.
     
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    Title IX has nothing to do with scholarships and doesn’t require what your stating.
     
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    From the NCAA site:
    As participation equals out (which is an explicit goal of the NCAA) scholarship money also equals out.
     
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    Attendance has definitely been going back up in the Tedford era. We do need to start filling the stadium again though to solve some of the fiscal issues.
     
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    Nope. You forgot that the NCAA also puts a cap on the maximum of scholarships that can be offered per sport. There is no women's sport that has the same number of players as football. From a participation and other benefits standpoint men and women's sports equal out. But from a scholarship standpoint it is proportional to their participation and affect by the scholarship caps.
     
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    Dos Equis - you need to chill and have a beer . . . or maybe not. John Hopkins is D3 athletic program. In other words, John Hopkins doesn't devote a lot of resources towards athletics. That, of course, supports my point. But yes, you are right. They do participate in D1 lacrosse (the only sport). And no offense to lacrosse, but it's lacrosse. It remains a small sport played by very few D1 schools. Only 2 schools not located on the east coast play D1 lacrosse and none in California. For Pete's sake, a non-scholarship school won the D1 championship last year.

    As for Purdue, an overwhelming majority of the students are not in the engineering program so it's not even relevant. You cannot make 75% of the campus disappear. That's just silly. Forbes ranked Purdue the 126 best college, not me. According to US New and World Report, it only ranked 56 among national universities, behind 6 universities in California alone. Come on, man; it's tied with freakin Ohio State. You could have picked some good examples - Purdue just isn't one of them.

    It's especially funny though that you would rely on engineering rankings, but suggest that rankings for colleges don't exist or don't believe they are valid. Good luck with that one.
     
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    Not sure if have kids in college or not but some of these schools that you consider lesser athletic programs devote a rather a good proportion of their $$ to their athletic programs.
     
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    Which schools?
     
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    Back on topic.....DA is just plain Bullshit! Particularly for age group 2003 and older. What’s the point? So called “Talent ID Cinics” are focused on 04/05. Conflict for HS age groups shouldn’t be part of the equation. As far as College exposure, well, I don’t see how this provides a better platform than what ECNL was already providing, without the HUGE downside of NO HS rule! Great idea USSF, burn them out because we don’t really give a shit about them anyway.
     
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    Take a look at some of the small NAIA schools. Smaller budgets but still have nice sports facilities. Southern Oregon has a very nice facility and George Fox , DIII, does as well. Just because a school is DII, DIII or NAIA does not mean the athletes who attend don't expect good training and sports facilities.
     
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    As a parent of a player at attending/playing women’s soccer at a Big 3 Ivy......I’m compelled to throw in my quick 2 cents:

    *The article garnered attention, so while the article is a stretch, at a minimum, it got you/us and many other parents, especially at the critical younger ages thinking/contemplating....”what league/path do we go”??

    *My DD was an ECNL player. She was never the best player, rarely received accolades, but good enough to play with and against the best in her age group week in/week out. ECNL provided the national exposure and attention that without, she realistically may not have attracted.

    * The authors premise/analogy of a student leaving Harvard to attend Buttknuckle State U is kin to pulling out for HS soccer is compelling — but laughably false...... In our situation, my DD’s unobstructed ability to play HS soccer opened the door for her to attend a college prep HS, which became a huge contributor/fostered the critical thinking skills/class load endurance/emotional & social intelligence required to be recruited/attend Harvard, Princeton or Yale.

    So .....as bad as HS soccer play can be, is it a bad idea for a player to have the option to play HS if they choose?

    My Ivy League, engineering major, student athlete soccer player would probably say no. :)
     
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    Nice, so her mom is smart and athletic?
    She must have gotten her looks from you.
    My little one would not ever contemplate bagging HS.
    Great Job dad.
     

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