2004 O.D.P. Final Roster

[Ansu Fati]

Looks like a quote. Source?

This is a direct quote from Cal South ODP invitation (from a previous cycle)

 

[Soccerhelper]

This is the USDA rule...

"DA Clubs may not permit any full-time Academy Player to participate on a non-DA team during the Academy Season. The only permissible soccer related reasons to miss
Development Academy activities is National Team duty and YNT Identification Center
participation."

OR


​

 

[espola]

This is the USDA rule...

"DA Clubs may not permit any full-time Academy Player to participate on a non-DA team during the Academy Season. The only permissible soccer related reasons to miss
Development Academy activities is National Team duty and YNT Identification Center
participation."

Yes, I know that, but it is not what was quoted.

 

[Dargle]

Not true. Some DA teams let their kids tryout for ODP on boys side. Usually kids who are not starting for DA teams - clubs are aware and agree to let them play with ODP. Was at training for last cuts and there were a few DA kids out, a couple offered spots and other were not better then kids who were out there. ODP doesn’t avoid DA kids if they have a good relationship with the club they are coming from. The issue isn’t with ODP when it comes to DA players and it’s up to the individual clubs wanting kids to participate

Are you talking about the youngest age group (the 2008s this year)? Tons of the youngest kids who have committed to DA and/or are playing for the team that has been named as DA by their club still go to the ODP spring/summer tryouts and sometimes go to the summer camp in Ojai. The logic is that the DA year technically doesn't start until August, even if the DA team is already formed and playing before that. Cal South tries to get them to out themselves so they reserve their spots for the players who will be eligible for the team selected for West Region in the winter or they call the clubs and ask them not to send their DA players, but a few slip through and then drop out for the Winter pool.

 

[Dargle]

Are you talking about the youngest age group (the 2008s this year)? Tons of the youngest kids who have committed to DA and/or are playing for the team that has been named as DA by their club still go to the ODP spring/summer tryouts and sometimes go to the summer camp in Ojai. The logic is that the DA year technically doesn't start until August, even if the DA team is already formed and playing before that. Cal South tries to get them to out themselves so they reserve their spots for the players who will be eligible for the team selected for West Region in the winter or they call the clubs and ask them not to send their DA players, but a few slip through and then drop out for the Winter pool.

If you're talking about older age groups, these may be developmental, or "PT," players. They are on the DA team and practice with them, but they only are allowed to play a limited number of DA games. They are supposed to be players who are also rostered to a regular club team who play most of the time with that regular team.

 

[Not_that_Serious]

If you're talking about older age groups, these may be developmental, or "PT," players. They are on the DA team and practice with them, but they only are allowed to play a limited number of DA games. They are supposed to be players who are also rostered to a regular club team who play most of the time with that regular team.

Nope, not from youngest groups. Rostered DA players. The kids were not rostered to any other club Outside their DA teams. Kids might be on mandated break - don’t follow DA that closely. In either case the “no outside comp” rule was put in place for non-development reasons. Kid won’t be dropped if club/coaches are okay with kids getting more training and developing vía ODP - given they really don’t play at their given clubs. Really how the programs should be working together. kids who are very talented but not starting at DA but better than majority of top non-DA kids could be getting training via ODP. The only clubs who take issue are the clubs who helped pushed the rule that limits involvement in other training/games. Same clubs don’t want their DA kids around ODP fight with a passion to get non-DA kids on ODP teams - then cry and talk shit on program when their kids don’t make the teams.

 

[Ansu Fati]

Nope, not from youngest groups. Rostered DA players. The kids were not rostered to any other club Outside their DA teams. Kids might be on mandated break - don’t follow DA that closely. In either case the “no outside comp” rule was put in place for non-development reasons. Kid won’t be dropped if club/coaches are okay with kids getting more training and developing vía ODP - given they really don’t play at their given clubs. Really how the programs should be working together. kids who are very talented but not starting at DA but better than majority of top non-DA kids could be getting training via ODP. The only clubs who take issue are the clubs who helped pushed the rule that limits involvement in other training/games. Same clubs don’t want their DA kids around ODP fight with a passion to get non-DA kids on ODP teams - then cry and talk shit on program when their kids don’t make the teams.

Then I’m not sure I get how this benefits these DA players. How much quality training/improvement is this type of player really getting through ODP? If they are very talented and better than most non DA kids, but not starting for their own DA team, wouldn’t they be better served just training with/against the starters on their own DA team, rather than playing with a bunch of “inferior” players?

 

[Not_that_Serious]

Then I’m not sure I get how this benefits these DA players. How much quality training/improvement is this type of player really getting through ODP? If they are very talented and better than most non DA kids, but not starting for their own DA team, wouldn’t they be better served just training with/against the starters on their own DA team, rather than playing with a bunch of “inferior” players?

Inferior is subjective. As mentioned, some of the kids who were put in to the mix from DA were not good enough to make the teams. The range of talent/skill is not very consistent among the various circuits/leagues/areas. You also have look at the structure, the kids are not moving clubs but getting added training/playing time that doesn’t affect their training with their DA team. Almost like “loaning” a player out - often players can gain a lot with a change of scenery or different coaching. Coaches don’t fear kids not coming back as the ODP coaches aren’t selling them a club move. More to gain than to lose from a reasonable coach’s point of view. IF the kid is “superior” and dominates regional play - only helps with their confidence. Not going to gain confidence on the bench at their DA club.