What's going on Cal South and State Cup Semi's?

Girl didn't play because Cal South has not determined what age group she belongs in. All they said is that the paperwork filed by AS appeared to be correct BUT they have proof that she played as an 05 at Arsenal. Cal South will have to determine is she an 05 or 06 going forward
 
LASTMAN14 said:
If you read Mr. Jackten's posts he makes references to conspiracy theories. Which I find interesting. I am no conspiracy theorist but this poster appears to be more of a diversion. Could these posts be managed from another source? Is this person really an AS parent? Despite their claims?
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Without question he's an AS(S) parent. Nobody would speak that defensively if they weren't personally vested.
 
Frank the Tank said:
Girl didn't play because Cal South has not determined what age group she belongs in. All they said is that the paperwork filed by AS appeared to be correct BUT they have proof that she played as an 05 at Arsenal. Cal South will have to determine is she an 05 or 06 going forward
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That makes no sense.
 
Great player no names involved. Come forward with your story. You played us in a tourney and beat us with your cheating 05 player. Not cool. Your team cheated and that's a fact bro.
George Gordon said:
@Lone Wolf

You don't know anything about #2. I'm her father and you need to leave her out of this! If you have something to say about her you can contact me directly. You're with LAGSD, what is your name?

I don't play when it comes to my daughter. You need to have respect and don't be speaking on other people's kids who you know nothing about.
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Hired Gun said:
Carrillo must be thinking - What did I sign up for...we just should have stayed PSA Panther Soccer, where we had Flight 2 and 3 teams, the only competitive teams are/were the teams (Carrillo coaching his daughter's teams to showcase). Now Carrillo brings over a team that really is an Arsenal Team (majority played for Arsenal (still live in the IE), coached by an Arsenal Coach). This is not worth all the headaches - let's go back to "development is our business"....less headaches. Also, isn't the registrar his wife?? Might be someone else now.
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It's certainly plausible that the coach and team manager kept the registrar and club in the dark, but I've yet to hear anyone explain how the coach and team manager somehow were unaware of her being born in 2005 when it was spoken about openly within the team and someone had to switch out that birth certificate from their log book.
 
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Related to the coach as well right brooo. Makes sense.


George Gordon said:
@Lone Wolf

You don't know anything about #2. I'm her father and you need to leave her out of this! If you have something to say about her you can contact me directly. You're with LAGSD, what is your name?

I don't play when it comes to my daughter. You need to have respect and don't be speaking on other people's kids who you know nothing about.
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Please avoid calling out specific kids by name or number. Even if other players were too old these are children. Let's focus on the adults not the kids.

That said if your kid is on this team Cal South should be asking many questions, checking documentation, and tracing back the player histories. If any of the girls were somehow also issued new player ID's that would obviously trigger even more questions.
 
It appears CalSouth has cleared the girl, I know it doesn't make sense to some, but there was a process, in that process documentation was shown that proved the player was an 06. We as parents are not privy to personal private information of a 10 year old girl. This is all rumors and a witch hunt.

What you all think happened:
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This is CalSouth a well run organization, if it bothers you that much your dd lost to AS, a smaller club, then call calsouth, complain and ask about the process. Don't piss off dads and moms on this forum by insulting their dd's. Most if not all the info I got on this subject was from here, and most of it is rumor. Remember this is a small community and a current AS kid may one day play on the same team as your dd. We need to trust the rules, process, and those put in charge of enforcing the rules. Innocent until proven guilty.
 
Lone Wolf said:
Great player no names involved. Come forward with your story. You played us in a tourney and beat us with your cheating 05 player. Not cool. Your team cheated and that's a fact bro.
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I don't do this soccer forum drama, you can speak to me in person. It was brought to my attention that you brought up my daughter and I'm telling you man to man, don't talk about my daughter.


Lone Wolf said:
Related to the coach as well right brooo. Makes sense.
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You have no clue what you are talking about. You must think we're related because we're black.

#2 has been playing in SoCal since U8. She isn't going anywhere so get used to it. I'm sure you know where to find me since you know so much about us, come speak to me in person.
 
George Gordon said:
I don't do this soccer forum drama, you can speak to me in person. It was brought to my attention that you brought up my daughter and I'm telling you man to man, don't talk about my daughter.




You have no clue what you are talking about. You must think we're related because we're black.

#2 has been playing in SoCal since U8. She isn't going anywhere so get used to it. I'm sure you know where to find me since you know so much about us, come speak to me in person.
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Wow calling me out as a racist. You have no clue bro. Just stating facts. Cheaters never win. Keep trying to divert the action away from what your team did. Cheated!!!!
 
witchhunt said:
Innocent until proven guilty.
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I agree, which is why initially I would shutdown even the mention of this issue until one day someone showed a new player ID had been issued for a player that was already in the system. I've heard other things as well, but when people who have been in this business for decades are unable to even hypothesize an innocent explanation for the duplicate ID then I think the questions are warranted until they are answered.

I like the people involved, but if they are going to claim they are innocent they owe us an explanation for why they we should let them slide after they apparently snuck around creating a duplicate ID. Why did the parents put a 2005 birthdate and submitted a birth certificate with a 2005 birthdate for the previous 3 years. Would be great to hear how they are not involved in this.
 
I have no connection to AS other then that we have played them a handful of times and spoken on occasion. As somebody in the field of character development, it never ceases to amaze me the body language and actions BW takes while coaching from the sidelines. Unbelievable and not good in numerous ways for these young girls, mostly in how the parents are teaching them that that is okay for a man to act like that or talk like to them....there is no way I would put my daughter in an environment where she would need to "respect" that .

That being said, I tried to look at this whole situation as a problem needing to be solved as to why this child could possibly have 2 different documents and why CalSouth may have chosen to look the other way if those rumors are true . This is only a theory but a completely plausible one and also why they couldn't be open with people after the fact . The answer was right in my face the whole time. I don't know the young lady in question but somebody referred to her parents as a couple who didn't speak much English....Well I have 2 employees who work for me legally, who entered the country illegally as children. Both over a decade or 2 ago and years apart from each other. For whatever reason they BOTH have an incorrect birthdate on their current legal documents which includes their drivers licenses and passport. One's documents reads he is born on the correct date but 2 years older then he really was, the other on a completely different date. As a result they both had to go to school with kids older then them and struggled as a result when they were younger. Why??? I don't ask but obviously it happened during the immigration stage. They have been here years, pay taxes and are good people, with zero reason to lie to me about their real birthdate other then they almost seemed embarassed. Specially during today's political climate, this is just one example on a possible explanation as to why this young lady has 2 different dates, although it doesn't answer which one is correct or even how they could find out.
All I know is it's in the past. G2006 State Cup is over. My daughter's team didn't win and NO, I don't believe it was because of this one potentially 2005 player. As for those who brought this to cal south's attention, I do wonder as to why you waited so long as it seems there are many who knew or thought they knew since the beginning of the season. It seems to me you TOO are just as guilty when it comes to creating such a roller coaster of uncertainty for the GalaxySB and Legends girls in that last week.
Time to start focusing on the future and what's next because as has been mentioned MANY of times, these girls ARE only 10.
Just my thoughts. I Look forward to watching my daughter play against yours in the years to come and watching the different journeys our kids will take along the way.
 
softwaretest said:
I agree, which is why initially I would shutdown even the mention of this issue until one day someone showed a new player ID had been issued for a player that was already in the system. I've heard other things as well, but when people who have been in this business for decades are unable to even hypothesize an innocent explanation for the duplicate ID then I think the questions are warranted until they are answered.

I like the people involved, but if they are going to claim they are innocent they owe us an explanation for why they we should let them slide after they apparently snuck around creating a duplicate ID. Why did the parents put a 2005 birthdate and submitted a birth certificate with a 2005 birthdate for the previous 3 years. Would be great to hear how they are not involved in this.
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Without actually seeing the evidence, Cal south was provided ample evidence to overturn the disqualification. I am really concerned that CalSouth ruled a disqualification in the first place, which is why I think the opposing point of view is also so curious.

It is my understanding that AS and Cal South not need to provide private and personal hard evidence to the general public, or to us the parents. This is private documentation that belongs to a 10 year old girl. I, as per my previous posts, thought this was really hard to comprehend, but now I think other clubs this kid played for made administrative errors into the calsouth system that ultimately led to this unfortunate event for an innocent child (again, I haven't seen anything, this is just my understanding).

I have been a part of this team for almost a year, and I know for a fact a lot of the presumptions on this forum are "hear say" and not exactly true. In fact I heard the rumor that the "City that never sleeps" parent was a relative of the coach for many months when I joined the team, to only find out it wasn't true. So shame on people posting to this forum that they are all knowing when they know nothing.

Soccer for me is about my daughter being the best she can be, as I am sure it is for most of you. If there comes out a ruling against this team from Cal South I will be the first to say you are right. As for now that is not the case, so please be careful in attacking AS as we as parents feel you are attacking the region your daughter plays for, our AS girls, and undermining the validity that your dd's have played well against tough competition. Winning this tournament was a tough feat, the 06 girls in CalSouth are no joke. There are at least 10 teams we've played against this year that I think it could go either way on any given sunday. Congrats to all the Cal South girls that made each other better.


FYI...My spouse told me not to commit any more on this forum, but I like other soccer parents like you, and felt the need to tell you how I felt. If any one attacks me or my lil, this is the last time you'll hear from me. I have really enjoyed the competition this year and all your dd's teams have helped my 06 dd get a lot better. To you and your daughters I am thankful.
 
hughvh said:
Without actually seeing the evidence, Cal south was provided ample evidence to overturn the disqualification. I am really concerned that CalSouth ruled a disqualification in the first place, which is why I think the opposing point of view is also so curious.

It is my understanding that AS and Cal South not need to provide private and personal hard evidence to the general public, or to us the parents. This is private documentation that belongs to a 10 year old girl. I, as per my previous posts, thought this was really hard to comprehend, but now I think other clubs this kid played for made administrative errors into the calsouth system that ultimately led to this unfortunate event for an innocent child (again, I haven't seen anything, this is just my understanding).

I have been a part of this team for almost a year, and I know for a fact a lot of the presumptions on this forum are "hear say" and not exactly true. In fact I heard the rumor that the "City that never sleeps" parent was a relative of the coach for many months when I joined the team, to only find out it wasn't true. So shame on people posting to this forum that they are all knowing when they know nothing.

Soccer for me is about my daughter being the best she can be, as I am sure it is for most of you. If there comes out a ruling against this team from Cal South I will be the first to say you are right. As for now that is not the case, so please be careful in attacking AS as we as parents feel you are attacking the region your daughter plays for, our AS girls, and undermining the validity that your dd's have played well against tough competition. Winning this tournament was a tough feat, the 06 girls in CalSouth are no joke. There are at least 10 teams we've played against this year that I think it could go either way on any given sunday. Congrats to all the Cal South girls that made each other better.


FYI...My spouse told me not to commit any more on this forum, but I like other soccer parents like you, and felt the need to tell you how I felt. If any one attacks me or my lil, this is the last time you'll hear from me. I have really enjoyed the competition this year and all your dd's teams have helped my 06 dd get a lot better. To you and your daughters I am thankful.
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Yawn..... next time listen to your spouse before you decide publishing your novel.
Season is over. We have all moved on to next year. Best of luck to all involved.
 
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But in all seriousness, the kids are not to be blamed. The fish rots from the head!!!
 
The "adults" in this situation let the kids down. Call-South and their lack of transparency has created a situation that leaves us all shocked, confused, and upset. As I understand it, Cal-South is a governing body that did not follow their own rules. If they followed their rules, then they should issue a statement high-lighting the rules, the process and how the rules worked. Since it does not appear that Cal-South is going to be forthcoming without being prodded, I referred this story to a reporter that I know. Maybe there is something here, maybe not. At this point no one knows (which is the heart of the matter). Hopefully light shined on this situation will clear AS and the girl (and all parties involved) of all wrongdoing and we can all go on with our lives.

I encourage us all to be respectful of the fact that all of the players are someone's daughter. We should leave the girls out of this, and do out level best to be civilized to each other.

PS My heart goes out to the LAGSB team that went to bed thinking they were playing the next day only to wake to find out they were not playing.
 
hughvh said:
It is my understanding that AS and Cal South not need to provide private and personal hard evidence to the general public, or to us the parents. This is private documentation that belongs to a 10 year old girl. I, as per my previous posts, thought this was really hard to comprehend, but now I think other clubs this kid played for made administrative errors into the calsouth system that ultimately led to this unfortunate event for an innocent child (again, I haven't seen anything, this is just my understanding).
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I have NO problem with ALL of the AS kids as well as you and many of your parents as they are clearly not involved. I've had many discussions throughout the years with many of you and look forward to many more years of our DD's playing soccer with or against each other. You absolutely should continue to post here as we should continue to build the community of G06 families. That said as Lastman instructed me it's fine to check the forum during valentines dinner just don't let the wife catch you.

That said, we wouldn't be here if as Thunderbolt put it there wasn't documentation that "Told a different story". I'm not looking for anything from Cal South or AS I'm looking for your coach and team manager to explain how this player ended up with a duplicate player registration without someone notifying Cal South of the previous "error". Why was the documentation in their book changed without being upfront and notifying Cal South? I don't believe the families immigration status as some have hypothesized caused the adults to risk their livelihood and/or reputation by not being up front with Cal South. Why would Cal South care about immigration status? I would love nothing more than to hear some type of believable explanation or that the facts as I've presented them in this paragraph are somehow inaccurate because as I have said in the past I have not just respected these people, but defended them.

The rumors need to stop because they just cloud things up and take the focus off real questions that continue to not be answered. Just as others shouldn't post things which are rumor against the team you can't also make unsubstantiated claims that this was simply an administrative error by previous clubs because if that were the case Cal South would have been alerted to the error before the new registration was created.
 
LASTMAN14 said:
I think you hit a new nerve in that AS parents may have posted and their remarks were monitored and pulled before being posted. Last year when calendar year was being implemented the family in question asked BW if their daughter could play 06. Here is the ridiculous piece, he stated she could till August 2017 because the age mandate does not take affect till then. Now, at some point the family had to have figured that this was not the truth.
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A point made earlier needs to be slightly corrected and clarified. Per the player in questions previous club (AW) the DOC (RB) did contact AS and their DOC (EC). With the age group change in motion the family provided a new and different BC for the 2016-2017. This BC had a different DOB then the previous two. When both the family and BW where questioned by RB this prompted BW to now move his team. Earlier it was felt the family was naïve in believing BW story on the age change not in affect till August 2017. And it was uncertain who provided this new BC. With this clarification it does appear the family was quite aware from the beginning.
 
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