GunninGopher
SILVER ELITE
Give it up. He'll never give in. You just have to move on.
cheaper2keeper
SILVER ELITE
I've been told that these work pretty well --
Where did you get these pics? These are the 2081/19 Legends’ home jerseys for GKs. You really shouldn’t have posted these until the Legends, Oremore and Ferguson logos could be added. These weren’t supposed to be seen before sign ups in March. I need to call JH.....
Give in what? It's simple physics, confirmed by experiment, experience, and example.
soloyosh
SILVER
I've been told that these work pretty well --
Each of those suits has a cotton and sometimes nomex backer. Your skin is not in contact with the outer layer.
Also, having used one of those in a mill, you still get freakin' hot in them. You only use them for a few minutes at a time when the furnace is open.
If you put the aluminum foil under the insole, your foot is not in contact with the metal.
soloyosh
SILVER
Yes, but over the course of an 30 minutes of playing, that foil will be every bit as hot as the sole.
Why do you hate innovation?
An aluminum foil layer in the shoe is innovation, and we know it works. We don't know what is in the OP's product, since he says the posted brochure is wrong.
Also - the product is not on the market. The website only advertises their kickstarter account. I have aluminum foil in my kitchen right now.
Not_that_Serious
GOLD
our teams play on turf most of the year - including summer. Only kids complaining about a hot foot ( even in over 100+ weather) are those wearing cheap boots, improper feeting boots (friction fromsliding) or premium "light weight" boots. Less material, thinner soleplate = easier heat transfer to the foot. Most issues happen because cheap shoes heat up, have thin insoles and foot slides around - causing blisters and other problems. Low cut boots are better since they can vent and leathers seem to be better than synthetics. Those who were having issues with heating bought good insoles and pretty much solved any issues. You also have to tell kids not to wet their feet - quick way to get blisters. Sucks having to buy more than a pair of cleats but a good leather made for turf is worth your kids feet.
Oh and companies already make heat blocking insoles for runners. I also dont buy aluminum foil as some type of radiant barrier. The physics doesnt support it being a viable solution. The foil/barrier would have to be outiside the shoe. Putting it under the shoe insole would still, in theory, create the same problem you had to start with. Thermal radiation would still produce conduction/convection issues - no duct or cool airspace for heat to escape to. You need a mechanism to get rid of the heat. I think this insole suggests an inner material that does this. I guess you could develop an insole with a gel pad that can be frozen before play, but that would probably feel awkward. If this had some unique mechanism/process to which this was accomplished it would probably be patented - most smart business people would also mention this in advertising and have a patent number.
Oh and companies already make heat blocking insoles for runners. I also dont buy aluminum foil as some type of radiant barrier. The physics doesnt support it being a viable solution. The foil/barrier would have to be outiside the shoe. Putting it under the shoe insole would still, in theory, create the same problem you had to start with. Thermal radiation would still produce conduction/convection issues - no duct or cool airspace for heat to escape to. You need a mechanism to get rid of the heat. I think this insole suggests an inner material that does this. I guess you could develop an insole with a gel pad that can be frozen before play, but that would probably feel awkward. If this had some unique mechanism/process to which this was accomplished it would probably be patented - most smart business people would also mention this in advertising and have a patent number.
Espola, The product will be available May or early June, depending on manufacturing schedules.
I’m not sure why you’re trying to bash something before even trying it . This has been developed by a group of talented individuals that most of them currently have kids playing on Turf fields in multiple sports. They recognized a need and actually came up with what they hope is considered a viable solution . Is it the only solution available out there in the market? No, but they feel they have come up with one that is unique enough to take a chance and market.
You asked earlier why had it taken so long to bring to market since I have two kids currently using the prototypes for the last six months. The company wanted to make sure it works as claimed and has no harmful chemicals. The product has been tested by an independent lab to certify not only what is claimed but that in fact there are no aforementioned harmful chemicals .
With additional Turf fields being installed every year nationwide, they are hoping to not only help solve the problem but have a viable business. I have tried to explain to you several times that aluminum foil in itself is not a insulator. I even agreed with you that it blocks solar radiation. The product is not intended to block solar radiation it is intended to block conductive heat coming from the Turf to the cleat . I know for a fact this blocks heat way more than foil no matter how innovative you think that is.
I have no other intentions other than trying to help get the word out . If you’re not interested, that’s your perogative.
By saying I don't know what it is, I am bashing it?
No, but posting over and over Foil is a comparable product when in fact it isn’t, might be construed as such . If not your intention, I apologize .
Comparable? Let's compare --
Foil = free (almost); we know what it is; we know it works.
Unknown product = somebody estimated $20 ( - is that each or per pair?); unknown composition; unknown effectiveness.
You're right -- no comparison.
GunninGopher
SILVER ELITE
Dude, trust me, you won't ever get anywhere with this guy. Just drop it.
E- Since you have aluminum foil at home right now, try this:
Take the shelf or shelves out of a toaster oven. Make sure it has enough room for a watermelon. If not use your oven.
Get it good and hot.
Wrap your head in aluminum foil, shiny side facing in. Make sure you completely wrap your head with a few layers.
Stick you head in the oven and leave it in there until the few brain cells you have left are also fried.
This post made this thread worth reading.
You know you're right, You should use Foil.
I have never had the need, since I never played a game on heated artificial turf. I have, however, seen the blistered feet of a player who did. After that, I read about using aluminum foil under the insole of a soccer shoe. People claimed it worked, and the physics shows why it should.
Your product, however, has no supporters but you. I eagerly await the product's arrival so people can try it out.
You still think this is true?
The physics hasn't changed.
I reviewed this whole thread, since it is 3 years old and not very long. I noticed that the website linked in one post is dead.
Is the product available now?
Is there a patent?