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@Glen Would you have a problem with the state’s money going to s foreign doctor or engineer or professor or soccer coach or basketball coach or you get the point?
 
Wednesday, August 29, 2018
Like all other UC campuses, UCLA has a robust financial aid program to ensure that students from all economic backgrounds have access to the university.

Approximately 30 percent of all revenue generated from fees and tuition is set aside for financial aid. In addition, the university's Blue and Gold Plan ensures that students with financial need from families with incomes below $80,000 a year pay no tuition at all.

At UCLA, 47 percent of California-resident undergraduates (42 percent of all undergrads) receive enough grant aid to cover all of their system-wide fees and tuition. In fall 2010–11, 41 percent of UCLA undergraduates were low-income Pell Grant recipients. In fact, UCLA enrolls more low-income Pell Grant recipients than all Ivy League schools combined.

Unlike need-based scholarships, athletic scholarships are awarded to students strictly on the basis of their athletic and academic ability — not their financial need. Athletic scholarships, such as those awarded to football or basketball players, do not rely on state funds. Instead, these scholarships are entirely funded through UCLA Athletics ticket sales, corporate partnerships, media contracts and private donations from supporters.

Each year, UCLA awards the equivalent of approximately 285 full athletic scholarships to outstanding student athletes. The scholarships are used by the UCLA Department of Intercollegiate Athletics to pay students' tuition and fees, as well as room and board. In this respect, UCLA is no different from the overwhelming majority of Division I institutions.

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/ucla-statement-on-athletic-scholarships-234528

Also see:
https://uclabruins.com/news/2016/10...s-philanthropic-giving-within-60-million.aspx
 
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MakeAPlay said:
Think of sports in P5 conferences as a job. Just like the doctors at UCSF Medical, you want the best and you have to pay.

You are also working on a flawed premise because the UCLA athletic department pays all of its own bills. They show a net zero on their taxes, which, of course, is a cool accounting trick.
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I'm not trying to pick on UCLA. I'm talking generally about pubic schools (and private schools) that are subsidized by tax dollars. UCLA is better than almost all of them.

As for UCLA athletics paying all its bills, I guess. I would love to see the accounting. Most schools include generated revenue and non-generated revenue to claim that their athletic departments are stable. Non-generated revenue are student fees, which is a BS way of "balancing" the budget.

Cal, on the other hand? http://www.dailycal.org/2018/01/17/central-campus-take-chunk-cal-athletics-debt/
 
MakeAPlay said:
@Glen Would you have a problem with the state’s money going to s foreign doctor or engineer or professor or soccer coach or basketball coach or you get the point?
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Probably, but that's hard to say. We are talking about admitting kids to school. We can only guess what they will become or where they will end up.

In general, I want tuition to be lower for all California residents. It's too high.
 
Glen said:
Probably, but that's hard to say. We are talking about admitting kids to school. We can only guess what they will become or where they will end up.

In general, I want tuition to be lower for all California residents. It's too high.
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Fair enough about tuition. UCLA however has very generous financial aid for any that needs it and some that are fortunate enough to not need it but get it anyway because they have earned it. Also we do already have foreign citizens who are doctors and engineers that work for public institutions in California. Damn good ones at that!
 
Glen said:
I'm not trying to pick on UCLA. I'm talking generally about pubic schools (and private schools) that are subsidized by tax dollars. UCLA is better than almost all of them.

As for UCLA athletics paying all its bills, I guess. I would love to see the accounting. Most schools include generated revenue and non-generated revenue to claim that their athletic departments are stable. Non-generated revenue are student fees, which is a BS way of "balancing" the budget.

Cal, on the other hand? http://www.dailycal.org/2018/01/17/central-campus-take-chunk-cal-athletics-debt/
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You called out UCLA specifically by mentioning it’s foreign athletes (one of which I take to dinner with us whenever she’s free). No biggie everything is expensive in California. We made the unfortunate mistake of having the best damn state in the union.
 
LASTMAN14 said:
I’ve had this conversation with friends. And it’s a valid and serious conversation. We could create a whole thread on this matter and many others that impact California public colleges/universities.
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Foreign players don’t take scholarships away from California players. That is like say foreign labor steals jobs from Californians. Without foreign labor we would be screwed and if Californians wanted the jobs or were good enough for them then they would have them. Look only 4 players that saw time for the women’s team weren’t from California and yes they were foreign citizens. If there were California players of that birth year with that particular skill set that aren’t already on the team then they probably went to Stanford or are pros on the boys. And in Fleming case there isn’t s female player of any age in North America that can do what she does.
 
I think it is funny when you try to pretend you are smart. Then, when you lose an argument you start with the isms and name calling. You are a tool.
 
MakeAPlay said:
Foreign players don’t take scholarships away from California players. That is like say foreign labor steals jobs from Californians. Without foreign labor we would be screwed and if Californians wanted the jobs or were good enough for them then they would have them. Look only 4 players that saw time for the women’s team weren’t from California and yes they were foreign citizens. If there were California players of that birth year with that particular skill set that aren’t already on the team then they probably went to Stanford or are pros on the boys. And in Fleming case there isn’t s female player of any age in North America that can do what she does.
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Agree foreign players or students is such a small number whose impact is minimal. My discussions primarily were on the inaccessibility or difficulty for Cali kids to attend instate schools. Due to out of state students, cost, and primarily, the competitiveness of trying to attend a UC. College is not like it was when we went to school. Its by far more rigorous and brutal to get in.
 
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Thursday games predicted Winners in RED

BYU (1-1-1) vs. Stanford (2-0-0)
Connecticut (1-3-0) vs. Rutgers (3-0-1)
Duke (2-1-1) vs. Marquette (0-2-1)
George Washington (4-0-0) vs. (25) Georgetown (2-0-2)
James Madison (1-3-0) vs. Penn St. (2-1-0)
Notre Dame (3-1-0) vs. Cincinnati (3-1-0)
Ohio St. (1-2-0) vs. Morehead St. (1-3-0) Providence (3-0-0) vs. North Carolina (3-0-1)
Santa Clara (3-0-0) vs. Kansas State (3-0-0)
Tennessee (3-0-1) vs. Wright St. (0-3-1)
Texas (2-0-1) vs. Long Beach St. (3-1-0)
West Virginia (0-1-3) vs. Xavier (1-3-0)
William & Mary (1-3-0) vs. South Carolina (3-1-0)
 
Friday games Winners in RED

Cal St. Fullerton vs. Auburn
Florida vs. UCLA
Florida St. vs. U$C
Penn vs. North Carolina St.
Pepperdine vs. Indiana
Princeton vs. St. Joseph's
Texas A&M vs. Oklahoma
 
I like those Thursday picks

Norte Dame (watched them once) looks okay so far, not what they will be later in season, but they should prevail.

North Carolina should handle Providence but still waiting for the Tarheels to really kick it into high gear. They have some special players for sure.

Stanford at BYU... should be a packed house, Stanford either smokes em 4-0 or BYU feeds off that crowd and wins by getting an early goal lead and bunkering for all their worth.

Will be curious if Long Beach State can get that speed up top in behind on Texas.

James Madison has a great new coach and they will be tested and find out what they have v Penn State.

Should be some great games today and thru the weekend.

Good luck to the Bruins in Florida.
 
Florida Vs. UCLA will be verrrry interesting!!!

This weeks picks are all too obvious. I'm about the same as MAP except I'm gonna give Fullerton the nod over Auburn. Here's a few more forum favorites (winners in pink, ties in italics):

8/30 Thursday

Cal Poly (0-2-1) vs. San Jose St. (0-2-0)
Cal St. Northridge (1-1-1) vs. UNLV (2-1-1)
James Madison (1-3-0) vs. Penn St. (2-1-0)
Miami (FL) (3-1-0) vs. Texas Rio Grande Valley (2-2-0)
#Portland (2-1-0) vs. Michigan St. (3-0-0)
Rhode Island (0-3-0) vs. Wagner (0-3-0)
St. Mary's (Cal.) (2-2-0) vs. Hawaii (1-1-0)
TCU (3-0-1) vs. Pittsburgh (3-0-1)
Texas (2-0-1) vs. Long Beach St. (3-1-0)
Wake Forest (1-1-1) vs. Michigan (3-1-0)
Washington (2-1-0) vs. Wisconsin (2-1-0)

8/31 Friday

Arizona vs. Southeast Mo. St.
Arizona St. vs. New Hampshire
Arkansas vs. Baylor
Cal St. Bakersfield vs. Southern Utah
Cal St. Fullerton vs. Auburn
California vs. San Diego St.
California Baptist vs. Houston
Colorado vs. UTSA
Eastern Wash. vs. Boise St.
Kansas vs. Utah
Oregon vs. Dartmouth
Oregon St. vs. Gonzaga
Pacific vs. Sacramento St.
Samford vs. Rice
San Francisco vs. UC Santa Barbara
UC Davis vs. New Mexico
UC Irvine vs. Loyola Marymount
UC Riverside vs. Fresno St.
Utah Valley vs. San Diego
 
gkrent said:
Florida Vs. UCLA will be verrrry interesting!!!

This weeks picks are all too obvious. I'm about the same as MAP except I'm gonna give Fullerton the nod over Auburn.
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I only watched the second half of the UCLA vs Penn State game, and I thought the half was closer than the score. Penn had some good spells of possession and made more chances than I expected. I don't know if any of UCLA's missing players will be in FL, but it should be a great game. Having spent a great deal of time there, I detest Florida, so you know who I am pulling for.

Fullerton's home field advantage may help them against 22 ranked Auburn, but they better play their A game. I will be there but with no drummer this time.
 
I believe UCLA is missing Mace and Fleming this weekend & Stanford missing Davidson-- all due to National Team duties...
Now injuries are another story--lots of them it seems with quite a few teams from what I am hearing... :(
 
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