South Bay needs a strong ECNL club presence

John T.

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South Bay needs a strong ECNL presence. The large population of families with children has been arriving and migrating to the greater South San Jose area in recent years, including Campbell, Cambrian Park, Almaden, Santa Teresa, and even as far as Morgan Hill and Gilroy. The major reason for this phenomenon is the skyrocketing housing prices in the Bay over the past decade. Despite this price increase, the mentioned areas remain somewhat manageable (with an average single house price of around $1.4 million) and offer good schools, attracting many young families there.

Right now, two big clubs of Almaden FC and Los Gatos FC are both benefiting greatly from their strategic South Bay locations, which has led to abundant interest and player throughput among young and recreational players. Additionally, these two clubs have secured some key soccer fields (Creekside Park, O'Malley, Pioneer HS), simplifying weekly scheduling for parents as another big plus for them.

But these clubs have been somehow facing challenges in converting their large pool of young players into competitive teams as they lose their top-tier players to other ECNL clubs such as MVLA, Bay Surf FC, De Anza Force, and so on as these players get older mostly around the U13 timeframe. As everyone is aware, it usually takes years to build a nationally competitive team as the players can only allowed to move once a year around June tryouts within the academy clubs.

These clubs have also been grappling with their identity crisis: should they focus and maintain on recreational and above-average academy teams to turn profit or aspire to something more ambitious? Given their club size, ideal locations and large player pipeline in recent years, they have potential to play competitively at the regional or even national level now. But several factors may contribute to their lack of competitiveness and struggles such as coaching selection (Almaden is heavily from Europe to properly understand US soccer system), more paying roster to run their teams, and lagging Girls Academy (GA) representation to name a few.

If a reputable club could move or establish itself as a "strong ECNL" presence in South Bay such as in Santa Teresa area (leveraging on Santa Teresa HS fields - soccer fields need some work now), they could pull and tap into the area’s growing population of young families & even attract talented players from greater Gilroy area (driving proximity is much closer now), making it a promising way to set up a strong sister club to flourish.
 
You're not wrong. Both listed clubs start to lose players around U13 to the ECNL clubs, at least on the boys side, as they don't have ECNL. Up until that age, their top teams are quite strong. Legends FC Norcal is apparently one response to the gap you've noticed, with kids primarily from San Jose, but some from most of the nearby towns listed in the South Bay. No ECNL teams yet in the new affiliate, but will likely be added as soon as they have teams that can compete (right now their top teams show as comparable to lower end ECNL).
 
Not sure what you're hoping for. We've got three different teams, all within a half hour of Santa Theresa. That's close to as good as you get for ECNL commutes.

If you want to fill in the gaps, I'd look to do something for the Central Valley. Those kids don't really have a good option.
 
South Bay needs a strong ECNL presence. The large population of families with children has been arriving and migrating to the greater South San Jose area in recent years, including Campbell, Cambrian Park, Almaden, Santa Teresa, and even as far as Morgan Hill and Gilroy. The major reason for this phenomenon is the skyrocketing housing prices in the Bay over the past decade. Despite this price increase, the mentioned areas remain somewhat manageable (with an average single house price of around $1.4 million) and offer good schools, attracting many young families there.

Right now, two big clubs of Almaden FC and Los Gatos FC are both benefiting greatly from their strategic South Bay locations, which has led to abundant interest and player throughput among young and recreational players. Additionally, these two clubs have secured some key soccer fields (Creekside Park, O'Malley, Pioneer HS), simplifying weekly scheduling for parents as another big plus for them.

But these clubs have been somehow facing challenges in converting their large pool of young players into competitive teams as they lose their top-tier players to other ECNL clubs such as MVLA, Bay Surf FC, De Anza Force, and so on as these players get older mostly around the U13 timeframe. As everyone is aware, it usually takes years to build a nationally competitive team as the players can only allowed to move once a year around June tryouts within the academy clubs.

These clubs have also been grappling with their identity crisis: should they focus and maintain on recreational and above-average academy teams to turn profit or aspire to something more ambitious? Given their club size, ideal locations and large player pipeline in recent years, they have potential to play competitively at the regional or even national level now. But several factors may contribute to their lack of competitiveness and struggles such as coaching selection (Almaden is heavily from Europe to properly understand US soccer system), more paying roster to run their teams, and lagging Girls Academy (GA) representation to name a few.

If a reputable club could move or establish itself as a "strong ECNL" presence in South Bay such as in Santa Teresa area (leveraging on Santa Teresa HS fields - soccer fields need some work now), they could pull and tap into the area’s growing population of young families & even attract talented players from greater Gilroy area (driving proximity is much closer now), making it a promising way to set up a strong sister club to flourish.

Good move! I wasn’t aware that Legends FC (from SoCal) was setting up shop here in the South Bay. Going where the customers are growing makes smart business sense. Do you happen to know which fields the players practice on? For parents with multiple kids and working, the driving proximity really matters.

The key question would be how soon Legends could attain ECNL status here. I figure the club brand and proximity will bring in young and recreational players initially. To retain their developing young players and attract new talent, the club will need that ECNL status moving forward. Once the teams are built, Legends will leverage their expertise with usual college placements to solidify their position.

It may take years, but again, it’s a smart move to get in now and begin in an area where the young and playing population is rapidly growing.
 
You're not wrong. Both listed clubs start to lose players around U13 to the ECNL clubs, at least on the boys side, as they don't have ECNL. Up until that age, their top teams are quite strong. Legends FC Norcal is apparently one response to the gap you've noticed, with kids primarily from San Jose, but some from most of the nearby towns listed in the South Bay. No ECNL teams yet in the new affiliate, but will likely be added as soon as they have teams that can compete (right now their top teams show as comparable to lower end ECNL).

Good move! I wasn’t aware that Legends FC (from SoCal) was setting up shop here in the South Bay. Going where the customers are growing makes smart business sense. Do you happen to know which fields the players practice on? For young parents with multiple kids and working, the driving proximity really matters.

The key question would be how soon Legends could attain ECNL status here. I figure the club brand and proximity will bring in young and recreational players initially. To retain their developing young players and attract new talent, the club will need that ECNL status moving forward. Once the teams are built, Legends will leverage their expertise with usual college placements to solidify their position.

It may take years, but again, it’s a smart move to get in now and begin in an area where the young and playing population is rapidly growing.
 
Do you happen to know which fields the players practice on? For young parents with multiple kids and working, the driving proximity really matters.

Some of them include Del Monte, Watson, Vista Montana, and some of the local schools like Sheppard. All the city fields are granted by San Jose, and all clubs (from rec to ECNL) fight it out every 4 months or so for permits.

I figure the club brand and proximity will bring in young and recreational players initially. To retain their developing young players and attract new talent, the club will need that ECNL status moving forward. Once the teams are built, Legends will leverage their expertise with usual college placements to solidify their position.

The club spun off of Bay Area Surf, and seems to have taken a number of existing teams of several ages (from 2015 - 2007). It is more of a rebranding than starting from scratch, so it might be sooner than would be expected otherwise. In SR, some age groups show as many as 13 teams for Legends in CA; in some cases SJ/Norcal shows the #2 team for the club in state. That said, right now they are much smaller by # of teams than the existing strong clubs in the area, and I'm sure Legends intends to grow to sustainability.
 
Some of them include Del Monte, Watson, Vista Montana, and some of the local schools like Sheppard. All the city fields are granted by San Jose, and all clubs (from rec to ECNL) fight it out every 4 months or so for permits.



The club spun off of Bay Area Surf, and seems to have taken a number of existing teams of several ages (from 2015 - 2007). It is more of a rebranding than starting from scratch, so it might be sooner than would be expected otherwise. In SR, some age groups show as many as 13 teams for Legends in CA; in some cases SJ/Norcal shows the #2 team for the club in state. That said, right now they are much smaller by # of teams than the existing strong clubs in the area, and I'm sure Legends intends to grow to sustainability.

I see. Thanks for sharing. Legend's practice locations are like 5-10 mins from Bay Area Surf practices. These places are actually on North San Jose area, and I don't think there would be much differentiator with that. It may come down to be more of zero-sum game with the available players for ECNL from Bay Area Surf then.

Again, I would suggest coming down further even all the way down to Santa Teresa or nearby. And if I was Legends, I will do some analysis on the current zip code of the existing players, and if the bulk of the players are more from the South Bay, the club should definitely move down to challenge Almaden FC and Los Gatos FC since they are both on GA now. This would make more business sense.
 
They are some of the same fields that Bay Area Surf uses for practice. They are all for the most part beholden to San Jose Parks & Rec giving out the permits, just like Legends, Almaden, and other clubs in this SJ area. There are separate deals with the school districts, to get usage at some of the school fields. Bay Area Surf also uses Twin Creeks as a main site, and has some deals with some other private fields (like Church on the Hill). There isn't much geographic separation between the clubs.
 
They are some of the same fields that Bay Area Surf uses for practice. They are all for the most part beholden to San Jose Parks & Rec giving out the permits, just like Legends, Almaden, and other clubs in this SJ area. There are separate deals with the school districts, to get usage at some of the school fields. Bay Area Surf also uses Twin Creeks as a main site, and has some deals with some other private fields (like Church on the Hill). There isn't much geographic separation between the clubs.

It's crazy to me how many clubs train at Twin Creeks. What's even crazier is the quality of those fields. I don't understand how that's ok with people. You might as well train on concrete.
 
It's crazy to me how many clubs train at Twin Creeks. What's even crazier is the quality of those fields. I don't understand how that's ok with people. You might as well train on concrete.

Agree, we had multiple tournaments at Twin Creeks, and these turf fields are like from the old-school hard surfaces more like playing on concrete. My player was slipping and falling all over the place even with the soft turf cleats on. They definitely need to upgrade to the latest AG (artificial grass) like what most of the artificial soccer fields are like nowadays.

Almaden FC has their shortcomings, but they, at least, maintain and have excellent grass fields at Pioneer HS and good AG fields at Patty O’Malley and some field usage at Leland HS. Big kudos to the club’s facility person on this.
 
All San Jose clubs have used Patty O'Malley over time (it's part of the rotating permits that are given out every few months), and quite a few play at Leland. Pioneer is used less often. Almaden doesn't maintain any of them - San Jose Parks & Rec maintains the former, and as far as I know the school district maintains the latter two. Almaden doesn't appear to have any particular edge in fields or field access, at least not compared to clubs that really do have their own facilities (like Sporting, or the Quakes).
 
All San Jose clubs have used Patty O'Malley over time (it's part of the rotating permits that are given out every few months), and quite a few play at Leland. Pioneer is used less often. Almaden doesn't maintain any of them - San Jose Parks & Rec maintains the former, and as far as I know the school district maintains the latter two. Almaden doesn't appear to have any particular edge in fields or field access, at least not compared to clubs that really do have their own facilities (like Sporting, or the Quakes).

Understood. These fields are not solely for Almaden FC to use; I have noticed other local clubs sharing the fields, especially at Patty O'Malley.

However, Pioneer HS seems to be different, because I don't recall seeing other clubs there with 4-5 full-sized grass fields during practices. Space is huge, and literally, there are like hundreds of kids running around with their Almaden mint-chocolate jerseys there. In any case, directly or indirectly, the club is involved (working with the school district, to be exact, or others may be) in maintaining the fields at Pioneer HS. Practices at Pioneer are sometimes canceled or coordinated to other options when it rains, and the club has also closed and had no practices at Pioneer for the duration of time to replant the seeds during spring in the past.

Simply put, the Almaden's current mix and match of field options (both AG and grass) and their maintained quality at the aforementioned locations are good on the weekly practices.
 
I went down the link rabbithole, and learned a few things. Leland is actually a San Jose Parks & Rec field. As far as I can tell looking through it quickly, Leland and Sheppard are the only 2 of their locations (of ~50) that are located at a school.

list of fields (reservation page)
 
Fields at Patty O’Malley are not a good AG field, this is based on my kid playing some games over there last season. The turf is old and likely needs to be redone. Many High Schools have better AG fields.

I disagree that Pioneer HS has excellent grass fields. They are ok at best, several large brown patches and grass not mowed short. They are also not flat in some areas. It is a large space they have for training, games and tournaments. But the grass state is comparable to other schools' grass fields.

There are better grass fields in the Bay Area.
 
Regarding Legends FC coming to the area, note that they only have boys teams at the moment, which they mainly inherited from San Jose Surf. I doubt they will be able to get competitive girls teams in the short term, so likely no ECNL (for girls).

However, I agree that there should be an additional ECNL team. Unsure if adding another one in Santa Clara County would be good for the quality of the teams as that would dilute the talent in the other 3 teams. It would be better for parents of course. I echo the comment about Central Valley needing an ECNL team as there is nothing over there. Ajax United has great teams at younger ages, but all the talent leaves to ECNL teams.
 
Fields at Patty O’Malley are not a good AG field, this is based on my kid playing some games over there last season. The turf is old and likely needs to be redone. Many High Schools have better AG fields.

Yes, the back field (#2) is in pretty bad condition. The front field (#1) appears much newer, and isn't nearly as worn.

Regarding Legends FC coming to the area, note that they only have boys teams at the moment, which they mainly inherited from San Jose Surf. I doubt they will be able to get competitive girls teams in the short term, so likely no ECNL (for girls).

Yes, I believe this is true. Looks like only boys teams for now.
 
I disagree that Pioneer HS has excellent grass fields. They are ok at best, several large brown patches and grass not mowed short. They are also not flat in some areas. It is a large space they have for training, games and tournaments. But the grass state is comparable to other schools' grass fields.

Almaden appears to only place games for their youngers at Pioneer.


The older team games are at Leland, O'Malley, or elsewhere.
 
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