New York Red Bulls withdraw from GA Cup due to on-field racism incidents

My son has trained internationally in Europe and this is a real problem:

I see two issues here:

1) This is unacceptable and shouldn't be tolerated.

Yes, but also:

2) The language used doesn't have the same weight in places that don't have the same racial dynamics as we do in the US.

Which means educating the offending players (letting them know why this type of language rises above just everyday trash talking) might be more helpful than exiting the tournament. Though you could argue that exiting the tournament goes a long way toward impressing on the kids what a big deal this is.

 
My son has trained internationally in Europe and this is a real problem:

I see two issues here:

1) This is unacceptable and shouldn't be tolerated.

Yes, but also:

2) The language used doesn't have the same weight in places that don't have the same racial dynamics as we do in the US.

Which means educating the offending players (letting them know why this type of language rises above just everyday trash talking) might be more helpful than exiting the tournament. Though you could argue that exiting the tournament goes a long way toward impressing on the kids what a big deal this is.

A. Disagree about the racial dynamics not caring weight. If anything in Latin America they are more racially divided (remember in Latin America there are instances of intentional genocide of peoples and a longer lasting of slavery). And in some places in Europe they considered certain peoples quite literally subhuman. If anything, it’s because we are more educated, sensitive and racially aware
B. It’s happened on the pro levels too especially recently. It’s a real problem in soccer
C. It’s a problem locally too. I’ve now seen it happen locally countless times by various races. Refs typically ignore it because either they don’t hear, claim not to hear it or don’t have the proof to make it stick
D. I get why they are po’d. Unacceptable to happen at the cup. U.S. soccer and fifa need to do something. We need too move to zero tolerance on this like we have on ref abuse.
 
My son has trained internationally in Europe and this is a real problem:

I see two issues here:

1) This is unacceptable and shouldn't be tolerated.

Yes, but also:

2) The language used doesn't have the same weight in places that don't have the same racial dynamics as we do in the US.

Which means educating the offending players (letting them know why this type of language rises above just everyday trash talking) might be more helpful than exiting the tournament. Though you could argue that exiting the tournament goes a long way toward impressing on the kids what a big deal this is.

Unfortunately, this is apparently fairly common in teen youth soccer. MLS Next addressed this problem a couple years ago, but it doesn't sound like its gotten any better. I'm not condoning either use, but some is banter among teammates and some is directed as derogatory towards opponents. I've never personally heard it, but according to my son, it is common place. Based upon what he tells me, it appears to be cultural.
 
Unfortunately, this is apparently fairly common in teen youth soccer. MLS Next addressed this problem a couple years ago, but it doesn't sound like its gotten any better. I'm not condoning either use, but some is banter among teammates and some is directed as derogatory towards opponents. I've never personally heard it, but according to my son, it is common place. Based upon what he tells me, it appears to be cultural.
It’s both. A friend, ex-teammate and now a keeper coach in MLS has a different impression. He’s from Costa Rica and played at the highest levels there. When I played with him it was culturally okay to call him. “Negro”. I never did way back in 95 when I first played with him. But, not everyone else outside of the team. Nor should they. It’s a term for some who are culturally in line and see it for a term of endearment. But, otherwise it’s viewed as an insult. Essentially, per him now it’s BS to use a word to address an opponent that’s not culturally acceptable elsewhere, it is offensive. Players know.
 
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One of our club teams had a similar issue last season, in the Socal League: they walked away from an in-season game (mid game) because of some fairly significant racial abuse coming from players on the other side. At the time, Socal League had professed a zero-tolerance policy for racism and abuse in games, and the team's coach felt that (with video evidence and such), some action would be taken, and it would not ultimately affect their record.

Spoiler alert: it did; Socal League did nothing, and their supposed "zero tolerance" policy is just CYA BS (we've had a number of racist incidents with teams in the league, all reported, the league doesn't care). Officially, their stance was that since the center referee didn't report the incident (and claimed to have not personally heard it during the game), there was nothing they were going to do. Functionally, the league doesn't appear to care at all, and the tolerance on a per-game basis entirely depends on the referee on the field (ie: we have had one ref who carded players for just swearing to themselves on the field, and others who just ignored clear racist slurs in-game which were audible even from the sidelines). The only thing which is consistent is that the league itself isn't going to take any actions with respect to any amount of racially motivated verbal abuse on the field.
 
One of our club teams had a similar issue last season, in the Socal League: they walked away from an in-season game (mid game) because of some fairly significant racial abuse coming from players on the other side. At the time, Socal League had professed a zero-tolerance policy for racism and abuse in games, and the team's coach felt that (with video evidence and such), some action would be taken, and it would not ultimately affect their record.

Spoiler alert: it did; Socal League did nothing, and their supposed "zero tolerance" policy is just CYA BS (we've had a number of racist incidents with teams in the league, all reported, the league doesn't care). Officially, their stance was that since the center referee didn't report the incident (and claimed to have not personally heard it during the game), there was nothing they were going to do. Functionally, the league doesn't appear to care at all, and the tolerance on a per-game basis entirely depends on the referee on the field (ie: we have had one ref who carded players for just swearing to themselves on the field, and others who just ignored clear racist slurs in-game which were audible even from the sidelines). The only thing which is consistent is that the league itself isn't going to take any actions with respect to any amount of racially motivated verbal abuse on the field.
Without going into a lot of details, I can assure you that it happens in college soccer as well.
 
Honestly, before I was told anything, my assumptions were that, with club-level soccer:
  • Racist insults (and most other forms of trash talk) would occur on the field
  • Unless there was some physical component of harassment, it would be generally ignored
I was surprised to learn that Socal League has a stated "no tolerance" policy toward racism and racist slurs (I think any type of hate rhetoric, actually) on the field, just as I was surprised (and honestly kinda amused, in an "okay, Karen" sense) when we had the one (presumably very conservative) female ref who started issuing warnings for swearing on the field (for 12+ year old kids). On the former, though, I have to wonder about the wisdom of having that stated policy and then refusing to do anything when that conduct occurs; it seems like that would aggravate affected players and parents more than no policy at all. I know our club still has some parents who are pissed off because the league misrepresented what they would do, and that misrepresentation ultimately cost the club team standing (unfairly). In that case, lying about the policy made the problem worse.
 
One interesting development is this is that MLS created a list of banned terms. The use of any of those terms, regardless of whether or not they have a racial connotation, is considered racist/hate speech. So, there is now a broader definition of what is considered racist speech.
Personally, I have no issues with cleaning up the language so not implying this broader definition is a bad thing. I just found it interesting to see players use profanity and it be considered racist because there was a difference in the race of the speaker and victim. I think the refs could crack down on the use of profanity and dissent and it would inevitably lead to "cleaner" games and lower instances of racist speech. If they enforce the regulations regarding verbal abuse of any sort, it will lower the tide of all negative speech, including racism. I don't think soccer (or society really) is going to be able to legislate morality but can only limit the behavior that is offensive.
 
I was at both the Red Bulls games where verbal abuse was being hurled in all directions. I do know know the player from Monterrey was suspended by Monterrey for the remaining 4 games of GA Cup. Hadjuk Split denies any racial abuse but it was a very heated game, ending with red cards. I find it hard to believe that nothing was said. Flamengo players claim they were also victims of racist remarks from Phili. The entire thing was a mess. Eventually, MLS had to pivot and make announcements before games. By the end of the tournament, the games became increasingly chippy and more verbal confrontations. I think the MLS Next could have enforced the rules a bit more stringent early in semifinal and finals games and it may have altered the experience. A few yellows early to bring 14 and 16 year olds back into reality would have been helpful.
 
One of our club teams had a similar issue last season, in the Socal League: they walked away from an in-season game (mid game) because of some fairly significant racial abuse coming from players on the other side. At the time, Socal League had professed a zero-tolerance policy for racism and abuse in games, and the team's coach felt that (with video evidence and such), some action would be taken, and it would not ultimately affect their record.

Spoiler alert: it did; Socal League did nothing, and their supposed "zero tolerance" policy is just CYA BS (we've had a number of racist incidents with teams in the league, all reported, the league doesn't care). Officially, their stance was that since the center referee didn't report the incident (and claimed to have not personally heard it during the game), there was nothing they were going to do. Functionally, the league doesn't appear to care at all, and the tolerance on a per-game basis entirely depends on the referee on the field (ie: we have had one ref who carded players for just swearing to themselves on the field, and others who just ignored clear racist slurs in-game which were audible even from the sidelines). The only thing which is consistent is that the league itself isn't going to take any actions with respect to any amount of racially motivated verbal abuse on the f
Honestly, before I was told anything, my assumptions were that, with club-level soccer:
  • Racist insults (and most other forms of trash talk) would occur on the field
  • Unless there was some physical component of harassment, it would be generally ignored
I was surprised to learn that Socal League has a stated "no tolerance" policy toward racism and racist slurs (I think any type of hate rhetoric, actually) on the field, just as I was surprised (and honestly kinda amused, in an "okay, Karen" sense) when we had the one (presumably very conservative) female ref who started issuing warnings for swearing on the field (for 12+ year old kids). On the former, though, I have to wonder about the wisdom of having that stated policy and then refusing to do anything when that conduct occurs; it seems like that would aggravate affected players and parents more than no policy at all. I know our club still has some parents who are pissed off because the league misrepresented what they would do, and that misrepresentation ultimately cost the club team standing (unfairly). In that case, lying about the policy made the problem worse.
We had a very similar situation where a player on the opposing LAFC SoCal SCV team continued to use the N-word towards players on our team. (1) It was heard by several players on our team. (2) One of our coaches who volunteered to be a sideline ref heard it, stopped the game and let the referee know, (3) a teammate of the boy that made the racist slurs said that he didn't support his teammate using those words (admitting that he also heard it). The referee did not issue a red card and the coach of the opposing team was not willing to pull that player from the game. Out of principle as well as being upset/disappointed by the lack of a response or even acknowledgement from the LAFC coach, we left the field. The referee determined it was a forfeit even though he didn't have the authority to do so per SoCal Soccer's rules, giving LAFC a 1-0 win (the game was tied 1-1 at the time it was stopped). Because of this win, LAFC instead of a Ventura Surf SC team advanced to the NPL playoffs. Yes I would be upset if I was Ventura Surf. Several very detailed emails were sent to SoCal Soccer basically asking why even have a Zero Tolerance Policy when the league is unwilling to do anything about it. Our ask wasn't that the boy be disciplined or even the team be penalized (although we found the coach's and the parents attitude to be disappointingly unapologetic or understanding). It was to ask how and what the league was going to do in terms of training and policy of both teams and referees in these situations. Several letters were directed to Michelle Chesters, the Executive Director of So Cal Soccer league and we have heard nothing. The incident happened in November 2023 and there has been zero done, not even a response. Parents of our team would of course welcome a conversation. Unfortunately this isn't an isolated incident for us as we have a very diverse team and there will be without doubt similar instances in the future. Hopefully the league's leadership stands up at some point, takes some accountability and realizes that they need to do more than just send an an annual letter stating that the league will not tolerate any form of racism.
 
Honestly, there are a number of a-hole kids in club soccer, especially as they get older. I've seen clearly dirty plays (trying to injure other players), on-field fights, etc., and overheard lots of colorful/racist slurs and insults on the field, along with what I'd consider a fairly normal amount of swearing. And my son is only a 2011 player; I imagine it will only get worse as the kids get older.

He told me one time that an opposing player was calling him the N word on the field. He's mixed-race, asian/white. We laughed about it. Sure, I'd prefer the games not have racial slurs on the field, but it's pretty clear that SoCal League isn't going to take any action (or if they do, it'll be selective and arbitrary anyway), and my kid needs to understand how to laugh off childish playground insults anyway, even of the "hateful" variety. Not that I'd want either to happen ideally, or should have to choose, but I'll take racial slurs over intentional physical injury any day.
 
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