The club where my daughter plays on sent an email that because they ended up spending more on fields are requesting $30 from every player. In our team, there are also a few players that still owe club fees. The club said that they would pull our team out of state cup. Can they do that? even though we already paid for state cup? the draw comes out in 2 days.
Club not letting you play state/national cup.
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What does your contract say?
If the schedule is already out and your team is on it- then your club has already paid the entry fee. If they withdraw now, there is a fine the club has to pay.
Seems they are trying to use this to make those that haven’t yet paid kick in their money.
Lame that the club waits until the last minute to ask for it.
Seems they are trying to use this to make those that haven’t yet paid kick in their money.
Lame that the club waits until the last minute to ask for it.
coachrefparent
GOLD
I don't see why they can't, but there's always a counter argument from a legal standpoint I suppose. I agree with above posters that it's shoddy management to deal with this after the original draw date. It's also weak for players not to pay their dues either.
What club?
What club?
Yes they can pull your team out of State/National Cup at any time. Generally I believe it is the coach thou not the club that can do it. However, if your coach does not agree to pull your team, they can replace him with another coach that will pull the team.
Every club I have seen requires all club dues prior to league and pulls the players that are not paid up at that time. To spring it on the team now seems really unfair. If they had done it earlier your team could have elected not to play State Cup or found replacement players. Now it is too late since everyone is Cup tied. And as far as the $30, look at your contract but I highly doubt they can charge you that since it if for fields. Good luck.
Every club I have seen requires all club dues prior to league and pulls the players that are not paid up at that time. To spring it on the team now seems really unfair. If they had done it earlier your team could have elected not to play State Cup or found replacement players. Now it is too late since everyone is Cup tied. And as far as the $30, look at your contract but I highly doubt they can charge you that since it if for fields. Good luck.
The potential problem is if that sends the club into "disqualified" status because of roster continuity. At the 11v11 ages, you must have at least 9 players that played league. Quite frankly, $30 is not that bad for the experience, sucks but it sucks more to miss State Cup.
Not_that_Serious
GOLD
As others mentioned, you wont get a draw if you havent paid the fees.
As far as knowing who has paid and hasnt paid dues, no one should know that except for coach and club admin. Sometimes managers know, but it isnt their job to know that info either. A lot of petty folks throw the info out without knowing why someone might be behind. Some managers tend to overstep their job duties. Heard some folks even putting it out on Teamsnap type apps. Ridiculous.
Pulling cards over dues is something clubs do after cup season - especially when a kid is jumping ship.
Money matters can be cleared after the season, properly, via notices. Then appropriately collected via collectors if needed. Often there can be legitimate reasons they are not cleared or there could be an agreement in place the coach himself doesnt even know about.
Asking for more money for the tournament might have to be done to pay for costs, but that only shows how inept the person/people creating the budget plan the club is/are- if there was ever a proper budget plan created to begin with. A properly run club will always take into account a percentage of money that will not be collected from players, possible overages, possible need for more coaching fees and will set tournament budget per team. To rely on every single penny would mean you have the best team of bill collectors, people who never run into hardship, live in a perfect world or over your head when it comes to organizational finance. Would be great if all clubs were transparent with budgets - most tax exempt clubs will even have you dig deep to find out where money is spent.
To threaten to pull a team is very Napoleonesque. It means the club has no problem punishing the kids who have nothing to do with the issues. Issues that can be solved after the tournament. Parents at the very least might have to pony up for the ref fees to make it happen though.
As far as knowing who has paid and hasnt paid dues, no one should know that except for coach and club admin. Sometimes managers know, but it isnt their job to know that info either. A lot of petty folks throw the info out without knowing why someone might be behind. Some managers tend to overstep their job duties. Heard some folks even putting it out on Teamsnap type apps. Ridiculous.
Pulling cards over dues is something clubs do after cup season - especially when a kid is jumping ship.
Money matters can be cleared after the season, properly, via notices. Then appropriately collected via collectors if needed. Often there can be legitimate reasons they are not cleared or there could be an agreement in place the coach himself doesnt even know about.
Asking for more money for the tournament might have to be done to pay for costs, but that only shows how inept the person/people creating the budget plan the club is/are- if there was ever a proper budget plan created to begin with. A properly run club will always take into account a percentage of money that will not be collected from players, possible overages, possible need for more coaching fees and will set tournament budget per team. To rely on every single penny would mean you have the best team of bill collectors, people who never run into hardship, live in a perfect world or over your head when it comes to organizational finance. Would be great if all clubs were transparent with budgets - most tax exempt clubs will even have you dig deep to find out where money is spent.
To threaten to pull a team is very Napoleonesque. It means the club has no problem punishing the kids who have nothing to do with the issues. Issues that can be solved after the tournament. Parents at the very least might have to pony up for the ref fees to make it happen though.
There's a part of the contract that says " If the expenses of the team, including field fees, coach's fees, etc. exceed the contract amount, the player will be liable for the shared additional expenses and will receive an additional invoice at the close of the regular season."
There is also a part that says that if membership fees are not paid, the player will not be allowed to participate in practice, games, or tournaments.
This is a low-income team, and some players were not even given a contract(they just paid for the $25 card fee) yet, the club is saying they have to pay the low-income contract(even if they didn't sign anything).
TangoCity
GOLD
Sounds like a big mess. Take it up with Cal South, maybe they can mediate a solution. One problem with not paying dues or owing money is that when you switch clubs the original club will put a lein on your player card with Cal South and you might not be able to register as a player with a different club until your financial obligations are taken care of. Good luck.
It's hard to enforce a contract without a signature.
Not_that_Serious
GOLD
this makes situation much clearer.
if the kids played season, even if they didnt sign anything, but knew they had to pay. should pay. thats just respect and common sense.
seems underfunded team/league so parents have to pony up. $30 bucks isnt much, even at low income level to play tournament and pay refs. from admin/coaches standpoint they might be looking at the cup fees as small amount to pay versus time/effort to collect money and keep coaching kids who havent put in - but again, this is on the organizational skills of the admin. collecting from parents is a skill you have to have. many coaches will pawn the task of collecting club fees on the manager (if the team has one) - relaying the costs of the tournament, overages, ref fees can be tackled by the coach and manager together. In this case its $30 bucks, so should be simple to explain. Better than the alternative.
Not_that_Serious
GOLD
yes, legally. but id tack that issue on a moral ground. most folks dont like their morality/ethics questioned. otherwise have to chalk that up to being better organized. why a lot of small clubs die. not just about ordering unis and getting a patch of grass to practice at.
is this a youngers team playing in National Cup? Because I think that all of Mayors, Governors and President's youngers have all had at least their 1st round games by now. And National Cup is set to start next week. If your team is on the schedule, then your team has already paid to enter.
This is an older team. The draw is supposed to be tomorrow. But we already paid for State Cup. Our team manager paid for it and we got accepted.
Without evidence of a signed contract, is there any way to know if those families knew of the possibility of later payments? Were they told "Just pay $25 registration fee", and later asked for more?
From what I know, at one point we needed players, so the club said to get whatever players we could get. So the players were only told to pay the $25 for the card, and for uniforms. that's it. No mention of contract or needing to pay later.
Not_that_Serious
GOLD
looks like that was it. thats on the club. looks like poor organization
Not_that_Serious
GOLD
So getting the manager reimbursed would be a good thing to do. Always tell managers to have the club treasurer submit the payments - whether its covered by club or not. A good club will send the check out and manager/team reimburses the club. Covers the manager/team and club can handle any disputes over money with a tournament organizer.