Silverlakes Summer Showcase?

IMO send an email with a short video (2 minutes or less). When you upload the video to you tube set it as unlisted so you can monitor who watches and for how long.

if your video peaks their interest they will contact your dd or show up at her game.
 
Real Deal said:
Look I think Surf is a great club, and, in the past, Surf Cup has been the event of the season. But this year the format is not good, and I'm not talking about multiple flights which is problematic also. Some age groups have five flights! But there's a difference between having multiple flights, and a format, within each flight, which only allows one team to advance from each bracket to continue competing to win, and then everyone else-- even those who came in 2nd in bracket-- go straight to consolation games with NO QUARTER FINALS, and then scheduling these consolation games on day 3 of the tournament. It's just not the optimal format for showcasing, spending my kid's time and my money, or for plain fun.

It also leaves the organizing club (Surf) open to a lot of criticism, since 1.It has the appearance of a "money grab" forcing all teams to stay and play a 3rd day. And 2. There are brackets that seem stacked, since only one team advances, and they may happen to be brackets that don't include teams from the hosting club....

Just look at some of the age group threads. Just trying to express what some others are feeling about a tournament, Surf Cup, that we have all truly enjoyed over the years, and telling you that these kinds of issues are what probably send top teams over to Silverlakes, which is a showcase to start with. Fewer issues = better way to spend time and money.
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4 games guaranteed at Suef Cup = more exposure for the players in front of college coaches yet still a tournament format and longer game times. It's more about maximizing the exposure and allowing the college coaches to see more players during their time at the event. Coaches don't care if a player is in a quarter final, a bracket game or a consolation game. They don't care which flight they are in. The only people that care about quarter finals or are embarrassed at the thought of a consolation game are the parents. Players want every possible opportunity to be seen by the college coaches.
At the end of the day, the trophies and medals are great but that's not what gets you the college commitment. Maximum exposure and hard work are what get you there.
 
dreamz said:
4 games guaranteed at Suef Cup = more exposure for the players in front of college coaches yet still a tournament format and longer game times. It's more about maximizing the exposure and allowing the college coaches to see more players during their time at the event. Coaches don't care if a player is in a quarter final, a bracket game or a consolation game. They don't care which flight they are in. The only people that care about quarter finals or are embarrassed at the thought of a consolation game are the parents. Players want every possible opportunity to be seen by the college coaches.
At the end of the day, the trophies and medals are great but that's not what gets you the college commitment. Maximum exposure and hard work are what get you there.
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TESTIFY @dreamz !!!
 
dreamz said:
4 games guaranteed at Suef Cup = more exposure for the players in front of college coaches yet still a tournament format and longer game times. It's more about maximizing the exposure and allowing the college coaches to see more players during their time at the event. Coaches don't care if a player is in a quarter final, a bracket game or a consolation game. They don't care which flight they are in. The only people that care about quarter finals or are embarrassed at the thought of a consolation game are the parents. Players want every possible opportunity to be seen by the college coaches.
At the end of the day, the trophies and medals are great but that's not what gets you the college commitment. Maximum exposure and hard work are what get you there.
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NoGoal said:
Obviously you haven't been to or seen the amount of teams accepted to the Las Vegas College Showcase in March. They have at least 80 teams per bracket and the games are on multiple fields. Yet, 100's of college coaches still attend every year!
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True 100's of coaches attend but they all go to see the same top 10 teams so sucks for the other 70. I'm kind of kidding kind of not. If your team is a top team and has soccer credit the coaches will go watch whichever tournament they are at. If the team has no history or credibility it will be very difficult to get coaches to go watch. Attending a tournament with lots of pull will help the latter.
 
LBSoccer said:
True 100's of coaches attend but they all go to see the same top 10 teams so sucks for the other 70. I'm kind of kidding kind of not. If your team is a top team and has soccer credit the coaches will go watch whichever tournament they are at. If the team has no history or credibility it will be very difficult to get coaches to go watch. Attending a tournament with lots of pull will help the latter.
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You are probably right, but there a bunch of schools, maybe d2 or d3, that need kids too.
 
dreamz said:
4 games guaranteed at Suef Cup = more exposure for the players in front of college coaches yet still a tournament format and longer game times. It's more about maximizing the exposure and allowing the college coaches to see more players during their time at the event. Coaches don't care if a player is in a quarter final, a bracket game or a consolation game. They don't care which flight they are in. The only people that care about quarter finals or are embarrassed at the thought of a consolation game are the parents. Players want every possible opportunity to be seen by the college coaches.
At the end of the day, the trophies and medals are great but that's not what gets you the college commitment. Maximum exposure and hard work are what get you there.
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Ok so what is the incentive for 03 and down??? Why do they have this format with no quarter-finals? Certainly not college coaches out on the 3rd day watching their consolation games. :rolleyes:
 
And I'm still not buying that college coaches will really stick around for consolation games on a 3rd day of the same tournament anyway, at any age. But I guess time will tell.
 
LBSoccer said:
True 100's of coaches attend but they all go to see the same top 10 teams so sucks for the other 70. I'm kind of kidding kind of not. If your team is a top team and has soccer credit the coaches will go watch whichever tournament they are at. If the team has no history or credibility it will be very difficult to get coaches to go watch. Attending a tournament with lots of pull will help the latter.
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I disagree. Some of the best players aren't on the best teams. You are caught in a fallacy. What happened to the Baker's Breakaway team that won the U15 USYS championship for Slammers? They were the top team in the country. How many college stars were on that team? How many players from that team are pro? How many are currently active U23 or full national team players?

Don't get caught in the fallacy. If #20, #11 and #6 weren't on the team would their kickball win?
 
Real Deal said:
Ok so what is the incentive for 03 and down??? Why do they have this format with no quarter-finals? Certainly not college coaches out on the 3rd day watching their consolation games. :rolleyes:
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03 are incoming HS freshmen in the fall. There will be a few coaches who will watch no matter if it's a consolation game or not.
 
Real Deal said:
Ok so what is the incentive for 03 and down??? Why do they have this format with no quarter-finals? Certainly not college coaches out on the 3rd day watching their consolation games. :rolleyes:
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Why are you so focused on a quarter final? What is the fixation on a quarter final? You aren't guaranteed a quarter final so you could be three games and done. Have you ever seen players in a final playing their 6th game in 3 days? They are on their last leg. Why not balance the event more with four games guaranteed for EVERYONE and the final being a 5th game? Isn't that more for your money having 4 games guaranteed and the teams not playing a 6th game in 3 days.nsoinds more balanced for everyone.
As for the 03s and down a 4 game format with a 5th game final is definitely more bang for the buck. Especially since the games are longer. Added value without the increase in price. I would say that's a good thing.
You are at the tournament for 3 days no matter what. Same with Silverlakes only that is one game per day. What does it matter? Enjoy the time with the kids. Pretty soon they will be out of the game and you'll be wishing you had enjoyed the 3 day weekends a lot more.
In the grand scheme of things a quarter final means nothing but the memories of spending time with your kids will mean everything.
 
Real Deal said:
And I'm still not buying that college coaches will really stick around for consolation games on a 3rd day of the same tournament anyway, at any age. But I guess time will tell.
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This must be your first rodeo. If your DD is playing for a DA team, better yet a DA team with Slammers, Blues, or Surf you're sweating for no reason. Now if your DD is on a C-F team or playing for a no name club that got into Surf Cup C bracket. Then you should worry! So which one is it?
 
dreamz said:
Why are you so focused on a quarter final? What is the fixation on a quarter final? You aren't guaranteed a quarter final so you could be three games and done. Have you ever seen players in a final playing their 6th game in 3 days? They are on their last leg. Why not balance the event more with four games guaranteed for EVERYONE and the final being a 5th game? Isn't that more for your money having 4 games guaranteed and the teams not playing a 6th game in 3 days.nsoinds more balanced for everyone.
As for the 03s and down a 4 game format with a 5th game final is definitely more bang for the buck. Especially since the games are longer. Added value without the increase in price. I would say that's a good thing.
You are at the tournament for 3 days no matter what. Same with Silverlakes only that is one game per day. What does it matter? Enjoy the time with the kids. Pretty soon they will be out of the game and you'll be wishing you had enjoyed the 3 day weekends a lot more.
In the grand scheme of things a quarter final means nothing but the memories of spending time with your kids will mean everything.
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Good point, but then why not just make it a showcase? No champion. No medals. No quarters, semis or finals. Oh yeah and no GotSoccer points. Then no one can call it unfair. How about reducing the price too. Then people can't call it a money grab. Then people may continue to attend instead of opting for the other college showcase option without all the baloney.
 
Real Deal said:
Good point, but then why not just make it a showcase? No champion. No medals. No quarters, semis or finals. Oh yeah and no GotSoccer points. Then no one can call it unfair. And people will continue to attend instead of opting for the other showcase option.
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Because it's Surf Cup technically a tournamnet and not The Surf College Cup Showcase in November that doesn't crown a champion.
 
Real Deal said:
Good point, but then why not just make it a showcase? No champion. No medals. No quarters, semis or finals. Oh yeah and no GotSoccer points. Then no one can call it unfair. How about reducing the price too. Then people can't call it a money grab. Then people may continue to attend instead of opting for the other college showcase option without all the baloney.
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You seem to be complaining just to complain.
 
mkg68 said:
You seem to be complaining just to complain.
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No, honestly, I was trying to be helpful.

Just relaying what I have heard. It would seem any business would want to know why their customers are unhappy or leaving, especially when the competition sets up shop across town, but I guess not. Really, my kids are in great positions so, dare I say you are correct NoGoal, it doesn't really affect them.. Maybe I'm just a bit nostalgic for something that was really fun and special, and probably was the best tournament of all if you could get in -- but has basically become something else, as in: just a regular old tournament.
 
Real Deal said:
No, honestly, I was trying to be helpful.

Just relaying what I have heard. It would seem any business would want to know why their customers are unhappy or leaving, especially when the competition sets up shop across town, but I guess not. Really, my kids are in great positions so, dare I say you are correct NoGoal, it doesn't really affect them.. Maybe I'm just a bit nostalgic for something that was really fun and special, and probably was the best tournament of all if you could get in -- but has basically become something else, as in: just a regular old tournament.
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IMO, your worrying about if college coaches are going to watch your DD play. It's natural, I recall scanning the college coach sidelines when my DD was U15. I was so antsy to see which coaches came to see my DD play which she sent emails to.
 
GoWest said:
Are Surf and SilverLakes unlimited substitutions?
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Here is what each tournaments riles state about substitutions. Silverlakes rules to not specify a difference in subs for DA and non-DA.

Surf Cup:
SUBSTITUTIONS: Teams may substitute only with the referee's permission and only at the following times:

Substitutions shall be unlimited except where specified otherwise in the rules and regulations for a special competition.

For US Soccer Development Academy Divisions, seven substitutions will be allowed per game with no re-entry over 3 stoppages. US Soccer Development Academy 2004 teams are allowed unlimited substitutions.

For Non-DA divisions Substitutions may be made, with the consent of the referee, at any stoppage in play. (USYSA Rule 302 Cal South Rule 2.9)

Silverlakes:
SUBSTITUTIONS: Teams may substitute only with the referee's permission and only at the following times: Substitutions may be made, with the consent of the referee, at any stoppage in play.
 
Real Deal said:
Good point, but then why not just make it a showcase? No champion. No medals. No quarters, semis or finals. Oh yeah and no GotSoccer points. Then no one can call it unfair. How about reducing the price too. Then people can't call it a money grab. Then people may continue to attend instead of opting for the other college showcase option without all the baloney.
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Surf Cup evidently has no problem attracting teams and a good number of the top teams. Some people like the showcase format and others like to see a winner crowned. There is nothing wrong with having multiple options. For the weekend of 29 July there are six tournaments/showcases listed on the CalSouth webpage with four of those, including Surf Cup, being played in San Diego County.

An observation from Albion Cup this past weekend. The fields at the Oceanside complex were in really good shape. Best shape I have seen them in over the past year. The fields will be closed for the next two weeks so they should be in great shape for Surf Cup.

Surf Soccer Club does not run Surf Cup. Surf Cup Sports runs Surf Cup.
 
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