GIRLS DAII

dreamz said:
"Simplify and Clarify"??? Are you kidding me? They are STILL calling it a league and it's not.
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Wow! Talk about passionate. You just can't get past the use of the word "league". I assume you are being just as vehement with Major League Baseball about their American "Division" and National "Division".

If I look up the definition of league, I find "a group of athletic teams organized to promote mutual interests and to compete chiefly among themselves". That sounds pretty much exactly what you describe as what DPL is. Get over it. Whatever umbrella they play under as group of athletic teams to compete chiefly among themselves, it's STILL a league.
 
After trying out for a few clubs, both DAl/ll, switching clubs in the process, not playing for over month due to the process and the waiting game of other clubs to get their act together, who cares what it's called. My DD just wants to play. Everything else will work itself out on the pitch.
 
I gotta think that Dreamz is more involved with a league that stands to lose money if DA 2 teams aren't in it than meets the eye. There is just too much animosity to be just a champion of the common man/woman.
 
dreamz said:
This directly from the LAGSD website:

"The DPL is designed to mirror the full DA to help prepare aspiring players for the transition to the DA. This is a three-day per week training program that also allows players the flexibility to play high school soccer."

How can you say "mirror" the full DA in one sentence and then the next sentence say "three-day per week training and play high school"? Doesn't that directly conflict with the Academy platform of 4-day per week training and no high-school? How is 3-day per week training and playing high-school different than what teams are doing now?

I gotta go. I have to clean my spy gear for a super secret meeting behind The Stag & Lion tonight. I'll report back with what I learn.
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Our local behind the scenes go to is the Bullpen. :D Good eats, cocktails, and negotiations of the most nefarious.
 
avh said:
Wow! Talk about passionate. You just can't get past the use of the word "league". I assume you are being just as vehement with Major League Baseball about their American "Division" and National "Division".

If I look up the definition of league, I find "a group of athletic teams organized to promote mutual interests and to compete chiefly among themselves". That sounds pretty much exactly what you describe as what DPL is. Get over it. Whatever umbrella they play under as group of athletic teams to compete chiefly among themselves, it's STILL a league.
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Kicker4Life said:
I gotta think that Dreamz is more involved with a league that stands to lose money if DA 2 teams aren't in it than meets the eye. There is just too much animosity to be just a champion of the common man/woman.
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Nope. Not on a board and not in a league. Just Sam I am.
I know people in the leagues that have explained to me the dynamics of what's going on with all of this but I also know a lot of people in the know at a lot of clubs who see this for what it is. Ask anyone opposed to DA2 and, as intelligent and informed DOC's they see right through this.
However, I fail to see how a league looses money when a handful of teams leave it. More teams than that join leagues each year. Every league in Southern California will grow this year. All of them and that's great for the players that play in the leauges.
And please don't label me a champion for the common man. If people don't want to be informed, they don't have to read. For those that choose to keep their head in the sand, that's their option. There is a lot of that going on in the world we live in today. Maybe we should start a crying room on this chat board for those that don't like the taste of reality.
I can just as easily stay home and feed my iguana instead of hanging out in the alleys trying to gather more information.
I'm completely fine with that but judging from the people that like my posts, you, my friend, are in the minority on this board.
 
dreamz said:
Nope. Not on a board and not in a league. Just Sam I am.
I know people in the leagues that have explained to me the dynamics of what's going on with all of this but I also know a lot of people in the know at a lot of clubs who see this for what it is. Ask anyone opposed to DA2 and, as intelligent and informed DOC's they see right through this.
However, I fail to see how a league looses money when a handful of teams leave it. More teams than that join leagues each year. Every league in Southern California will grow this year. All of them and that's great for the players that play in the leauges.
And please don't label me a champion for the common man. If people don't want to be informed, they don't have to read. For those that choose to keep their head in the sand, that's their option. There is a lot of that going on in the world we live in today. Maybe we should start a crying room on this chat board for those that don't like the taste of reality.
I can just as easily stay home and feed my iguana instead of hanging out in the alleys trying to gather more information.
I'm completely fine with that but judging from the people that like my posts, you, my friend, are in the minority on this board.
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SCDSL will hurt from this. How can you not see it?
Again I love this! I think it's funny to see the SCDSL and ECNL folks lose their collective minds and then act "like it doesn't matter anyway".
Ok then if it doesn't matter then why are you freaking out, disparaging other clubs, talking to parents, increasing your rosters to 25, I could go on and on...
Oh that's right because you actually have competition now with the DA!
Call it Bozo Brigade all you want but also do us a favor and comment on the other side of the story...
I am all about the information and insight! I for one was enlightened by a lot of your posts and am happy to hear about it. I do believe though you are assuredly either very anti MD and NG or very linked to SCDSL because the "average parent" isn't all fired up about a league.
 
DREAMZ, from post one on this subject, you have been the counter point to the movement. You do sound bitter and angry, as if left out. The reality is that these clubs are trying to create something that will not only help them preserve thier membership numbers, which is only good business, but at the same time create a better platform for those players involved. Whether it is or isn't, is debatable. There are limited number of spots available in DA at each club, so I don't blame these clubs a bit for trying to create something that recognizes the bubble players, so to speak.
 
Kicknit22 said:
DREAMZ, from post one on this subject, you have been the counter point to the movement. You do sound bitter and angry, as if left out. The reality is that these clubs are trying to create something that will not only help them preserve thier membership numbers, which is only good business, but at the same time create a better platform for those players involved. Whether it is or isn't, is debatable. There are limited number of spots available in DA at each club, so I don't blame these clubs a bit for trying to create something that recognizes the bubble players, so to speak.
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I think if you have information and you see something being spun or weaved that isn't the truth some people get upset with that. I see it as business and capitalism and don't take it personally but I can see why if something was an outright lie it would be upsetting.
Now here is the rub- it would only be upsetting if I was a SCDSL or ECNL club. For example Surf was very vocal with parents leaving for Carlsbad calling it a fake league, etc. Surf coaches said a lot of things to my friends and at the end of the day they rolled to Carlsbad anyway because they like the coach of A and B teams better. From there the dialogue was "they stole our players and it isn't even a league" At this point my ears perked up and I started to laugh because for the first time in a very long time Surf was upset about something- translation someone must be doing something to take away from their market share.
So as much as I love to hear words like development it's all a complete lie.
It's a business and I applaud MD and NG for attempting to make their own platform and league- and whatever other thing they want because as any businessman knows first people mock you, then they hate you, then they copy you.
Cheers to capitalism .
For the record I draw the line at ECNL2.
 
Striker17 said:
I think if you have information and you see something being spun or weaved that isn't the truth some people get upset with that. I see it as business and capitalism and don't take it personally but I can see why if something was an outright lie it would be upsetting.
Now here is the rub- it would only be upsetting if I was a SCDSL or ECNL club. For example Surf was very vocal with parents leaving for Carlsbad calling it a fake league, etc. Surf coaches said a lot of things to my friends and at the end of the day they rolled to Carlsbad anyway because they like the coach of A and B teams better. From there the dialogue was "they stole our players and it isn't even a league" At this point my ears perked up and I started to laugh because for the first time in a very long time Surf was upset about something- translation someone must be doing something to take away from their market share.
So as much as I love to hear words like development it's all a complete lie.
It's a business and I applaud MD and NG for attempting to make their own platform and league- and whatever other thing they want because as any businessman knows first people mock you, then they hate you, then they copy you.
Cheers to capitalism .
For the record I draw the line at ECNL2.
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You should draw the line at DA2. Sounds super fake but who cares anyway because at the end of the day the colleges will choose their players based upon their eyes not a label. Truly elite players only number around 30 per age group so almost every league going forward is going to be weaker than what existed previously. The big boys already have most of the elite talent and that won't change. I'm sure that you realize that they are basically transitioning their ECNL team to GDA and the only available spots will go to the superstar girls that are coming from outside of the club. I have seen this all happen before and it will likely happen again when US soccer pulls it's next curious move.

Good luck to you and your player.
 
MakeAPlay said:
You should draw the line at DA2. Sounds super fake but who cares anyway because at the end of the day the colleges will choose their players based upon their eyes not a label. Truly elite players only number around 30 per age group so almost every league going forward is going to be weaker than what existed previously. The big boys already have most of the elite talent and that won't change. I'm sure that you realize that they are basically transitioning their ECNL team to GDA and the only available spots will go to the superstar girls that are coming from outside of the club. I have seen this all happen before and it will likely happen again when US soccer pulls it's next curious move.

Good luck to you and your player.
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Agree! That's my point it's all a label. It's not going to change who the 1-5 are.
 
Kicknit22 said:
DREAMZ, from post one on this subject, you have been the counter point to the movement. You do sound bitter and angry, as if left out. The reality is that these clubs are trying to create something that will not only help them preserve thier membership numbers, which is only good business, but at the same time create a better platform for those players involved. Whether it is or isn't, is debatable. There are limited number of spots available in DA at each club, so I don't blame these clubs a bit for trying to create something that recognizes the bubble players, so to speak.
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Anything that is good for the player I'm all for. Anything that is being done in the best interest of the DOC pocketbook I'm not. But you can't call DPL something that it's not. You can't say it follows the DA model....but..... It either follows the model or it doesn't. I can see why there are supporters of DA2 so I don't judge you for being one of them. You are simply expressing your views in an intelligent way which is great.
I will absolutely agree that I am the counter point to the movement because, at the local level it makes no sense. But I will also say, that if US Soccer DID decide to run a DA2 program themselves and it was a national program then I think it would be great and would certainly rival ECNL because the long-term power is in what US Soccer will implement, not what ECNL has. I loved the idea of a national DA2 league when I first heard about it, which would include local clubs playing on a national platform. But then taking a step back, a national DA2 just doesn't seem plausible given the difficult geography nationally. I don't see B teams nationally being able to bare the burden of the expense for a DA2 program.
I think the other reason I have issues with it is because of how it's been handled. The group has scrambled to put something together with no plan and no thought. It was a reaction to not having ECNL for their B teams and trying to figure out something to counteract the players leaving for ECNL or other DA programs. Had they taken the time to do it right, put together informational material, lined their sanctioning, or league up, and not been admonished by US Soccer along the way, then it may have been an easier product to believe in. US Soccer saying that anyone who wants to follow the DA platform - would be considered positive doesn't apply because they aren't following the platform. They've been reprimanded by US Soccer more than applauded by US Soccer. Again, all because of a knee-jerk reaction to a situation.
The rush to get our a vague press release that has since had to be corrected, the rush to say they would play in Presidio which didn't happen, those missteps cost them respect and people have begun to see through that they are selling. Will there still be B teams doing something? Absolutely. Saying they will have 9 games in the fall and play in 2 showcases is actually less than what the teams would normally have in the fall and they would be getting in to those showcases anyways with the departure of the DA teams.
My thing is this. Have a solid, viable plan. Don't promote something that doesn't exist until it actually exists. Get US Soccer to run it nationally and make it a kick-ass national program (somehow) that shuts down ECNL.
At the end of the day, the dialogue on here is good for everyone no matter what side of the aisle you are on. If only the left and the right side of the political aisle could be coexist just as easily and respect each other's views.
 
Striker17 said:
SCDSL will hurt from this. How can you not see it?
Again I love this! I think it's funny to see the SCDSL and ECNL folks lose their collective minds and then act "like it doesn't matter anyway".
Ok then if it doesn't matter then why are you freaking out, disparaging other clubs, talking to parents, increasing your rosters to 25, I could go on and on...
Oh that's right because you actually have competition now with the DA!
Call it Bozo Brigade all you want but also do us a favor and comment on the other side of the story...
I am all about the information and insight! I for one was enlightened by a lot of your posts and am happy to hear about it. I do believe though you are assuredly either very anti MD and NG or very linked to SCDSL because the "average parent" isn't all fired up about a league.
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SCDSL will still grow this year, regardless of DA teams leaving.

Is this thread seriously about B teams? B Teams. Said like Allen Iverson.

If you want to play on a B team at these clubs, go for it. But don't champion it like it's the second coming. Not saying you are Striker17, just quoted you for the SCDSL part.

My money would be to join an ECNL team instead of a DA II team. But that is me, to each his own.

Funny how the people that are putting down dreamz truth, is an Albion Parnet = Kicknit22 a Beach Parent = Kicker4life a Galaxy Parent = Lastman. I don't see ECNL clubs parents bashing this? But to each his own.

Who cares, DA II won't be anything different then what they have now, they will just play each other in their own division of a league. Another fall division.

Then play in the second tier November Nights showcase, the second tier Silverlakes showcase with all Legends and CDA/Slammers teams, or on some ghetto field in Vegas, definitely not at the main field.

Finish that up with National Cup.

But if that is what you want go for it.

If my kid was an 04 or older I would look at ECNL for her, instead of this, but that is just me. For the next 4 years ECNL will still be great. If you haven't been a part you have no clue about what they promote, how well run the showcases are etc.....

05 and younger, no idea. As I think ECNL will die a slow 5 year death. So find a great coach.

DA is the future, but for current High School kids, it is not the all everything now. DA II is just another Fall division in a league.
 
MakeAPlay said:
You should draw the line at DA2. Sounds super fake but who cares anyway because at the end of the day the colleges will choose their players based upon their eyes not a label. Truly elite players only number around 30 per age group so almost every league going forward is going to be weaker than what existed previously. The big boys already have most of the elite talent and that won't change. I'm sure that you realize that they are basically transitioning their ECNL team to GDA and the only available spots will go to the superstar girls that are coming from outside of the club. I have seen this all happen before and it will likely happen again when US soccer pulls it's next curious move.

Good luck to you and your player.
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I agree there is a kid at little tiny Liverpool that just verbaled with Colorado. If you are good they will find you.

She is good if not great.
 
Soccer said:
Funny how the people that are putting down dreamz truth, is an Albion Parnet = Kicknit22 a Beach Parent = Kicker4life a Galaxy Parent = Lastman. I don't see ECNL clubs parents bashing this? But to each his own.
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Tying to make sense of this comment. Bashing what? DREAMZ or DAII? If you think I am bashing DREAMZ, I dont think anything said has been "bashing". I started this thread nearly a month ago to get a wider discussion going on the subject. Successfully, I might add. If you read all my posts on this subject, I have been far more critical of the Label (DAII) and have fallen far short of the supportive side, and I, as you point out, am from a club at the forefront of creating it. I am supportive of the DA clubs motives, and understand it. The point has always been to gather information across the board as to how it was coming together or if it even would. Many of us try to get entertaining with certain comments on every subject. In the end, it's about another league thrown into the mix. Here we are a few weeks past the start of the thread, and we still are looking for answers. So,the discussion continues. Peace.
 
dreamz said:
Nope. Not on a board and not in a league. Just Sam I am.
I know people in the leagues that have explained to me the dynamics of what's going on with all of this but I also know a lot of people in the know at a lot of clubs who see this for what it is. Ask anyone opposed to DA2 and, as intelligent and informed DOC's they see right through this.
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Ah, you know people ... got it. I once had an extended exchange on this board with a guy, a lot like you. He claimed he was looking out for the families in the neighborhood of a local club. He spewed a lot of rumors, half truths, and flat out lies, but with a lot of passion. He had his group of like minded people that would jump in and back him up to make it appear like what he said had merit. When I questioned the source of his "facts", his response was "I know a guy" (sounds a lot like "I know people"). And of course, if you ask someone that is opposed to DA2, they will tell you how it's a scam to put money in DOC's pockets ... and it's not sanctioned by US Soccer ... and it's not a league .... You can see this just by reading your posts.

Look DPL is a league. And these aren't all second teams like you claim. In the combined age groups like '01-'02, the DA teams will probably have at most two to three '02 players. That would make the DPL '02 team the top team in this age group in these clubs. And does it really matter? These teams would be playing in a league next year, regardless of what that league was. If they were second teams in their club, they would still be second teams, and if they were first teams, they would still be first teams. These clubs just chose to follow a curriculum more like DA and play each other in the fall season. Get over it. We all understand your opposition to DPL.
 
DAII, Elite, PDA, Academy, Navy, supper-dupper, special, first team looking for players to train like the pro's and play Flight III/Bronze. Send your money in now for a spot!!!!!!!

Kool-Aid is sponsoring our team but you still need to send a big check!!
 
Ok so I think I understand.
DA1 = Legit
ECNL= LEGIT

DA2/ECNL2/EGSL= 2nd level talent, a farce for leagues, and expensive.

The question then becomes if your daughter doesnt make a DA1 or ECNL team for whatever reason (talent, location,family dynamic,etc.) should your DD play DA2/ECNL2/EGSL or Flight 1 if there is a difference?
 
SFV818-SoccerDad said:
Ok so I think I understand.
DA1 = Legit
ECNL= LEGIT

DA2/ECNL2/EGSL= 2nd level talent, a farce for leagues, and expensive.

The question then becomes if your daughter doesnt make a DA1 or ECNL team for whatever reason (talent, location,family dynamic,etc.) should your DD play DA2/ECNL2/EGSL or Flight 1 if there is a difference?
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Well, just looking at ONLY the SW ECNL conference (basically SoCal with a couple clubs from NV and AZ) and the diminished value of the conference as a baseline starting August 1, 2017 maybe consider ...

US Soccer DA = A+
US Club Soccer ECNL = B+ (then a quick fall off again in 2018-2019 season)

All the rest mentioned = C to B-
(some very good players may be found and promoted)

Again, SoCal focus here only.
 
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