Academy season

CHICAGO (Nov. 14, 2016) - U.S. Under-14 Boys' National Team Head Coach Clint Peay has named a 48-player roster to the team's sole camp of 2016, set to take place from Nov. 13-20 at U.S. Soccer's National Training Center in Carson, Calif.

During the camp, the U-14 BNT will play two intra-squad matches on Nov. 16, as well as three matches against U.S. Soccer Development Academy clubs on Nov. 19. The BNT will face Strikers FC at 3 p.m., LA Galaxy at 4:30 p.m., and Real So Cal at 6 p.m. (all times PT)."

http://www.ussoccerda.com/161114-peay-names-48-player-u14-bnt-roster-for-november-training-camp
 
Myleftfoot said:
Any report on the U-14 BNT?
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‏@TopDrawerSoccer tweeted "The U.S. U 14 BNT ended camp with three scrimmages on Saturday. Strikers defeated the YNT in the first game."

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J.R. Eskilson ‏@JREskilson Nov 15
U.S. U14 BNT has their first (and last) camp for 2016 this week in California. Here's a look at the birth month breakdown of the 48 players

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Yeah that AZ team used to be refereed to as the Real Salt Lake Academy playing out of the Grande Sports Complex In AZ which is really nice. Need to catch a plane ride to Phoenix and bus out to the complex which is about 45 minutes away from the airport.

Interesting that teams are still adding or changing players this late in the season: Galaxy added, couple went elsewhere, Strikers added a West Coast player, Albion with some new forwards, what other teams added or changed players?

Nice that some of the teams are just trying to promote from within or give the younger U12's a go . Strange to me with all the affiliates some of the clubs have and the amt of teams they would look outside to recruit but maybe they don't have the faith or patience or something?
 
lafalafa said:
Nice that some of the teams are just trying to promote from within or give the younger U12's a go . Strange to me with all the affiliates some of the clubs have and the amt of teams they would look outside to recruit but maybe they don't have the faith or patience or something?
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If teams are not promoting someone from within but are recruiting from outside, it's because what they have within the organization is not good enough. The reality is that except for Galaxy, all the academy teams I have seen have weak players. The presence of weak players on an academy team tells you that team doesn't have anyone worth promoting on their lower teams. If they did have someone with academy talent, he would be wearing the DA patch and the weak player would not be there.
 
JJP said:
If teams are not promoting someone from within but are recruiting from outside, it's because what they have within the organization is not good enough. The reality is that except for Galaxy, all the academy teams I have seen have weak players. The presence of weak players on an academy team tells you that team doesn't have anyone worth promoting on their lower teams. If they did have someone with academy talent, he would be wearing the DA patch and the weak player would not be there.
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With ~ 11,000 players in the DA league this year, overall depth of quality is not what it was once was when there was only ~6k or so players in 15-16' Add another 3k for 17-18 and all of sudden there are 14,000 players which is a huge increase in two seasons.
http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club-soccer-articles/how-the-das-expansion-saw-the-light_aid41431

Some of these clubs have 3-4 teams per age group x the number of affiliates they have so the potential pool of players could be in the hundreds. Let's face it some of the kids never get a look, not in the right geographic area, academy coach has some existing players they are trying to accommodate, existing regular coach(es) don't recommend their players or have any say in the matter, and several other reasons why despite the numbers the system is not open and it takes a bit of luck for some players to get involved in the da program.

Out of the the 11-14k players, the is at best a couple of players per club that are academy top prospects/standouts even with clubs like LA Galaxy (EA) for example and the rest of players normally won't make the (5) YNT teams for example, so for those looking at DA for those reasons, the odds are not in your favor at all.
 
younothat said:
Some of these clubs have 3-4 teams per age group x the number of affiliates they have so the potential pool of players could be in the hundreds. Let's face it some of the kids never get a look, not in the right geographic area, academy coach has some existing players they are trying to accommodate, existing regular coach(es) don't recommend their players or have any say in the matter, and several other reasons why despite the numbers the system is not open and it takes a bit of luck for some players to get involved in the da program.
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I don't know the situation on every team. I just know I've seen so many marginally talented players, or talented players with severe flaws, on every academy team except for Galaxy and GSA starters.

Every club is using their academy team to pull in paying players on their lower level teams. I know several academy coaches and every single one wants the best, most talented players, and they are all looking and scouting to improve their roster. It's so easy to spot a talented player, they stick out. There's no way an academy coach, whom I've all found to be just really damned good at what they do, would miss talent in his own organization.

If an academy level talent is not playing for the academy team, but a non-academy team in the organization, there are only two reasons: 1) politics, the coach of the non-academy team needs a top player to build his team around so the academy coaches leave that player alone, or 2) money, that player is scholarshiped by the non-academy team, but will not be scholarshiped by the academy team.
 
4-2 Los Angeles United Futbol Academy U-13 over Strikers FC U-13

Strikers have some speed and used that to there advantage 1st half and passed the ball around somewhat.

2nd half was a different story, LAUFA made the adjustments scored 3 more goals and the wheels sort of came off the bus for the Strikers as they struggled to connect passes. Both teams used their benches and the venue was nice.
 
SCpartacus said:
Yes, strikers pats rsc surf FCGS arsenal and Galaxy are real i.e. Full age u12 to u18 academies. Laufa is not and won't be. Best chance for Laufa to get granted a full age academy was when Steve Lee had his awesome group of 99 and 00s, but it didn't happen then and won't now. The arrival of LAFC next year will also prevent Laufa from getting full status. Frankly if any team in LA deserves a full age academy its TFA as they have developed more players then Laufa. Since Laufa ages out at u14 then you are out of options so back to AYSO it is. Enjoy the short ride.
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Is this guy still around?
 
Raggamufin said:
Is this guy still around?
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In all seriousness the really problems are the entitlement system, attitude. and lack of proper all around training and coaching at the younger ages.

The entitlement system doesn't help, 3 of the established full academies are near the bottom of the table and would face the possibilities of relegation if such as system existed. But instead mediocrity is rewarded and they continue on while newer & smaller clubs like TFA that was mentioned who teach the style and play the way ussda wants are shut out.

If the players are not da standard ready by the time they reach this age (13&14) and league that's on the clubs for not teaching them in the first place. I don't want to single out strikers but when I talked to their parents I was told that almost all the players have been with that club for a while and played only the top flight #1 previously and the couple additions they have are mostly from west coast where they also played the top flight.
 
lafalafa said:
In all seriousness the really problems are the entitlement system, attitude. and lack of proper all around training and coaching at the younger ages.
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At the root of this are parents with disposable income who don't really know soccer and aren't interested that much in their boy becoming a soccer player. They might talk about development, but really all this isn't intended to be a career choice. They feed these academies with good but not great players and revenue.
Ballistic United got U15 academy acceptance. The corrosive influence of revenue of parents who don't know what soccer really looks like is everywhere.
 
SuperNatural said:
"My son is an academy player" GTFOH!

No, your son plays for a pay 4 play club that is privileged to play vs. full funded academy teams.

You're actually doing a disservice to them.
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So what's my other option? My kid is better than the local club teams around us. Those kids won't push him, the training is sub par and players are ok but not good enough to make him stretch himself. There is no local fully funded academy team and we aren't moving. We want him to be around the best players he can so he can be as good as he can be. He won't be a pro...that's fine. His future will be his brain anyways. Soccer in college? Sure. If it opens a door and is a good fit, but not a necessity. But he's good enough to be around good kids and training and see how good he can get. He will also be a late bloomer so who knows what will happen when he catches up to these 03 man-children. I get it that we aren't at the top of the food chain and he's not a future super star. Ok. So I'm not allowed to ever say that "my kid is an academy player?" What should we do? His academy coach is great, training is good and he's having fun and getting better. How is this a disservice?
 
full90 said:
So what's my other option? My kid is better than the local club teams around us. Those kids won't push him, the training is sub par and players are ok but not good enough to make him stretch himself. There is no local fully funded academy team and we aren't moving. We want him to be around the best players he can so he can be as good as he can be. He won't be a pro...that's fine. His future will be his brain anyways. Soccer in college? Sure. If it opens a door and is a good fit, but not a necessity. But he's good enough to be around good kids and training and see how good he can get. He will also be a late bloomer so who knows what will happen when he catches up to these 03 man-children. I get it that we aren't at the top of the food chain and he's not a future super star. Ok. So I'm not allowed to ever say that "my kid is an academy player?" What should we do? His academy coach is great, training is good and he's having fun and getting better. How is this a disservice?
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The disservice is done to fully funded academy teams obviously.

And you've raised good points on how your pay-to-play teams benefit from playing the best. But who is pushing the best, week after week playing mid to bottom of the table flight 1 recreation teams?

You're not fooling anyone. Privileged kids playing under a pseudo label, that's it.
 
Top 3 teams are all sponsored, the players and coaches have a different mentality, drive, and the competition among and within is different vs PFP

Top 3
111 pts/2.41 ppg 35-5-6

Bot 3:
40 pts/0.91 ppg 11-26-7

Top team has more pts (41) vs the bottom 3 combined.

True, no standings are keep at this age group, but for showcase match-ups. The top three play the style & formations ussda wants and they are still able to get the results.

Rumor has it that the real socal coach (u14 & 13) resigned because he didn't think the ussda is a league where he could develop players like he wanted. They must be of a certain quality & level before they get there otherwise the above scenario plays out again.
 
lafalafa said:
Top 3 teams are all sponsored, the players and coaches have a different mentality, drive, and the competition among and within is different vs PFP

Top 3
111 pts/2.41 ppg 35-5-6

Bot 3:
40 pts/0.91 ppg 11-26-7

Top team has more pts (41) vs the bottom 3 combined.

True, no standings are keep at this age group, but for showcase match-ups. The top three play the style & formations ussda wants and they are still able to get the results.

Rumor has it that the real socal coach (u14 & 13) resigned because he didn't think the ussda is a league where he could develop players like he wanted. They must be of a certain quality & level before they get there otherwise the above scenario plays out again.
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Nonsense. Again, You're basing this on 1 age group. How are your fully sponsored u14 doing compared to the the other acamemies? To base one age group as a gage wether one deserves to play USSDA or not is nonsense.
 
Sorry bro i cant put laufa in the same category as goldenstate and galaxy...
Well not yet and I am not trying to put LAUFA down...
They are not there yet...
 
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