Vaccine

Kicker4Life said:
Twitter is a great source for information. Not saying it isn’t true, but there are some questionable details in that story. First, how did the poster know they where unvax’d, was it by their scarlet letter?
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Most hospitals are happy to explain that 90-100 percent of their covid ICU patients are not vaccinated. The doctors are tired of it, too.

If you look at the ICU stats, it’s pretty clear that the crush of unvaccinated covid patients is creating health care shortages for other patients.

You can deny it, but that doesn‘t make it any less true.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Tyrant Cowards

But one distinction between children and adults has, until now, held tight: adults, collectively, are supposed to protect children, and not the other way around. Sadly, coronavirus seems to have put paid even to this most basic moral certainty. It has become acceptable for adults to demand that children act to protect them. This shameful state of affairs turns traditional moral values on their head.

The latest example of this role reversal can be seen in the pressure to vaccinate healthy children against Covid despite almost complete agreement that the vaccine is of little medical benefit to them. As vaccinated children will still be able to transmit the virus, the sole purpose of the proposed roll-out seems to be to make teenagers provide psychological reassurance to fretful adults.
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Great. We agree the responsibility lies with the adults. You are an adult. Have you done your part and gotten vaccinated yet?
 
dad4 said:
Great. We agree the responsibility lies with the adults. You are an adult. Have you done your part and gotten vaccinated yet?
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Hasn't Bruddah had it already?

One of the great flaws here that has undermined a lot of confidence in the process is the authorities haven't addressed natural immunity at all, and have done very little to study the impact on the epidemic. How long does natural immunity last? How robust is it? Does having a prior infection necessitate two vaccinations or will a booster of 1 effectively do? There's nothing scientific in treating those that have natural immunity the same as those that have no infection....it's just guessing (and not even guessing in line with what we know about other infections).

But yes, absolutely, especially if you aren't 100% certain you've had it, get vaccinated.
 
Desert Hound said:
What point do you find off the mark?

His main point is we don't know what the long term affects of the vaccines are and as such they should not be mandated on people with little to no risk.

That is an entirely reasonable approach.

For those in the very high risk category he advocates them using the vaccine since the benefits outweigh long term risks.

Another entirely reasonable approach.

What part do you find objectionable?
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So who is this mystery doctor? Where did you get this "expert" medical opinion? It is seeming more and more obvious that you were duped by someone on the Internet because he claimed to be a veteran and told you something you want to hear.
 
GoldenGate said:
So who is this mystery doctor? Where did you get this "expert" medical opinion? It is seeming more and more obvious that you were duped by someone on the Internet because he claimed to be a veteran and told you something you want to hear.
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Why don't you address the points?

I suspect it is because the points he makes are rational.

Do you disagree with the fact that we do not know if there are any long term negative affects of the vaccines?

And if we do not know if there are any long term affects, should we be mandating vaccines to individuals who have little to no risk of the disease itself? That is a legit/rational question.

The data shows that the vast majority of the people have very little risk to covid.

And by the way the author also thinks that high risk people SHOULD take the vaccine.

What points specifically do you disagree with? And why?
 
dad4 said:
Most hospitals are happy to explain that 90-100 percent of their covid ICU patients are not vaccinated. The doctors are tired of it, too.

If you look at the ICU stats, it’s pretty clear that the crush of unvaccinated covid patients is creating health care shortages for other patients.

You can deny it, but that doesn‘t make it any less true.
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Hopefully they are happy enough to explain that there has been a 1 percent decrease in COVID deaths, yoy while cases have increased by 100K yoy too. No doubt vaccines had a lot of immune systems to hitch hike on this year so they could prop up their case for vaccine efficacy.
 
Kicker4Life said:
Honest question, what does my vaccination status have to do with your health?
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I can’t use an ICU bed to recover from surgery if you are using it to treat your covid.

With just two people, not a big deal. I schedule my surgery and use another bed. Problem solved.

With 330 million people, it is a big deal. 100 million vaccine refusers can completely clog regional health care systems. When that happens, I can’t schedule my surgery, and my health is impacted.
 
dad4 said:
I can’t use an ICU bed to recover from surgery if you are using it to treat your covid.

With just two people, not a big deal. I schedule my surgery and use another bed. Problem solved.

With 330 million people, it is a big deal. 100 million vaccine refusers can completely clog regional health care systems. When that happens, I can’t schedule my surgery, and my health is impacted.
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A bit of a stretch, especially when hospitals have specifics “wards” set up for Covid ICU’s.

Of your 100 million “vaccine registers” how many have had C19? How many of those who aren’t vax’d but can confirm having had C19 are ending up in ICU’s?
 
Pandemic Preparedness: The Need for a Public Health
– Not a Law Enforcement/National Security – Approach

Conflating Public Health with National Security and Law Enforcement

Rather than focusing on well-established measures for protecting the lives and health of Americans, policymakers have recently embraced an approach that views public health policy through the prism of national security and law enforcement. This model assumes that we must “trade liberty for security.” As a result, instead of helping individuals and communities through education and provision of health care, today’s pandemic prevention focuses on taking aggressive, coercive actions against those who are sick. People, rather than the disease, become the enemy.
 
Kicker4Life said:
A bit of a stretch, especially when hospitals have specifics “wards” set up for Covid ICU’s.

Of your 100 million “vaccine registers” how many have had C19? How many of those who aren’t vax’d but can confirm having had C19 are ending up in ICU’s?
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Hospitals created those covid wards by taking resources away from other departments.

Covid patients didn't create a 50% increase in available nursing staff. They just created an increase in demand. The supply came by reallocating the people who are already trained.

When hospital administrators talk about delays in elective surgeries, do you think they are just making shit up?
 
dad4 said:
I can’t use an ICU bed to recover from surgery if you are using it to treat your covid.

With just two people, not a big deal. I schedule my surgery and use another bed. Problem solved.

With 330 million people, it is a big deal. 100 million vaccine refusers can completely clog regional health care systems. When that happens, I can’t schedule my surgery, and my health is impacted.
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Welcome to the party Alice. Aren't you a bit late?
 
dad4 said:
Hospitals created those covid wards by taking resources away from other departments.

Covid patients didn't create a 50% increase in available nursing staff. They just created an increase in demand. The supply came by reallocating the people who are already trained.

When hospital administrators talk about delays in elective surgeries, do you think they are just making shit up?
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The only people making shit up is you case hyping cowards.
 
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