Desert Hound
DA
That wasn't the A team out there.
It seems the US has some good young players with more in the pipeline.
It seems the US has some good young players with more in the pipeline.
USMNT - Turning Point?
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1 starter ( Acosta)that started the Nations Cup final in June .. and probable he wouldn’t have started in June had Adams been healthy
Mexico has 7 starters in this GC final that started in June
couple this loss with arguably getting outplayed by Canada in 2H in semis ( without David or Davies ) and this is a terrible result for Mexico
None of this may matter if they start breezing through qualifying next month
I’d do whatever it takes to get Vela back with this team, and if Jimenez is healthy that would be a big plus
eastbaysoccer
GOLD
USA looked fast and athletic but technical skills were lower than Mexico. The better team lost yesterday. Good win for USA.
Desert Hound
DA
That was the Mex A team.
My point being our pool is becoming deeper. Not that long ago there is no chance our B or C team would have even gotten this far.
outside!
DA
If I only saw the first half, I would agree with you. Towards the end of the second half Mexico's ball skills (particularly first touch) started to degrade. Once in overtime Mexico occasionally showed some skills, but for the most part were outplayed all over the field. I don't think they were the better team.
I think Berhalter out coached them. He seemed to know when to add our super subs and that turned the tide. For much of the first half I thought we were barely hanging on but in the second the tide seemed to turn where by the end we were starting to dominate.
eastbaysoccer
GOLD
Turning point? the US team did not look like the better team. If you played a 7 game series mexico would win that. If the US can get to the KO round and do something then I would call that a turning point.
Playing "Better" soccer matters when talking about developing youth players.
Playing "winning" soccer matters when it's senior national or club team. The US win on Sunday was a bit sloppy. Both teams were sloppy- Not just their finishing.
I dont think the US will ever produce a Messi- Heck, Argentina only pumps out a player like that every generation or so. Our soccer roots are scrappy players that play with a ton of heart. And good goal keeping. We didn't have that the last World Cup qualifying cycle. It looks like we are getting back to that. And our players are getting better. We have that scrappiness and we have depth.
I don't see us winning a World Cup anytime soon (or consistently beating Top 10 teams)- But we are looking like we can compete.
Playing "winning" soccer matters when it's senior national or club team. The US win on Sunday was a bit sloppy. Both teams were sloppy- Not just their finishing.
I dont think the US will ever produce a Messi- Heck, Argentina only pumps out a player like that every generation or so. Our soccer roots are scrappy players that play with a ton of heart. And good goal keeping. We didn't have that the last World Cup qualifying cycle. It looks like we are getting back to that. And our players are getting better. We have that scrappiness and we have depth.
I don't see us winning a World Cup anytime soon (or consistently beating Top 10 teams)- But we are looking like we can compete.
outside!
DA
In overtime, Mexico did not look like the better team. The US did look sloppy, but they also put together some nice passes (compared to normal US teams). The momentum in overtime was clearly with the US in my opinion. During halftime I was predicting a US loss by at least 2 goals.
Tyler Durden
BRONZE
Pretty simple from my perspective. The US finally embraced the youth movement.
The US team is not as skilled and didn't execute as well as the Mexican team overall. The players being younger than the usual US team were more athletic and were able to create pressured gamed play and make executing difficult which ultimately held Mexico off. The past US teams were unable to do this because older players did not have athleticism and stamina to execute like this.
Late in the 2nd half the Mexican team tired and was unable to keep up. In overtime Mexico's possession and defense was breaking down which ultimately led up to the winning goal. The US is not a point where the are equal technically to Mexico or any of the top teams. They do have a deeper pool of athletic players, that can wear teams down that choose to play a high tempo game.
The US team is not as skilled and didn't execute as well as the Mexican team overall. The players being younger than the usual US team were more athletic and were able to create pressured gamed play and make executing difficult which ultimately held Mexico off. The past US teams were unable to do this because older players did not have athleticism and stamina to execute like this.
Late in the 2nd half the Mexican team tired and was unable to keep up. In overtime Mexico's possession and defense was breaking down which ultimately led up to the winning goal. The US is not a point where the are equal technically to Mexico or any of the top teams. They do have a deeper pool of athletic players, that can wear teams down that choose to play a high tempo game.
What you said above is true. And the exact opposite of our current Womens National Team. (well the young and athletic part at least)
Good to see the young player's getting some opportunities and coming through.
Now if we could figure out how to put together more consistent Olympic teams especially on the men's side that would help soccer popularity in the USA.
On to qualifing which we shouldn't have a problem with. Getting into the world cup would be the turning point. Getting to the round of 8 in the WC would be even better and a accomplishment that we should be able to build on.
Now if we could figure out how to put together more consistent Olympic teams especially on the men's side that would help soccer popularity in the USA.
On to qualifing which we shouldn't have a problem with. Getting into the world cup would be the turning point. Getting to the round of 8 in the WC would be even better and a accomplishment that we should be able to build on.
We must have been watching different games. Mexico only dominated a majority of the 1st half. The rest was simply gritty and the US out gritted them. If we are playing “what if’s” then in that 7 game series, can we play our A team instead of the B team we rostered in the Gold Cup?
Agreed. The entire conversation should really be about this specific US team without implying the one that was not rostered. Two separate teams. The one that was not rostered has an entirely different skill set.
eastbaysoccer
GOLD
I watched the game where mexico out shot the US 22 to 11 and doubled us up on corner kicks. That sure sounds like Mexico was better Can you back up your statement with stats other than the 1-0 final score?
eastbaysoccer
GOLD
The US kids did great! Not taking anything away from them.
Does any other stat matter?
Interpretation of those stats through observations made throughout the game also will dictate another perspective not yet mentioned.
eastbaysoccer
GOLD
yes they do. does the 1-0 score matter? Do stats matter in baseball? how about football? how about basketball? yes they do. they talk about this all the time on espn. +/- for basketball. percentages in baseball. Shit they use these stats to make decisions in game!!!!! GM's in all sports make million dollar decisions based on stats. How do you think they calculate your life insurance, auto, etc. premiums. Using stats.
The US won. Mexico has 22 shots and 11 corners to USA's 11 shots and 6 corners. They were better team but on that given day the US got them. and that really is my point. If anyone thinks this is turning point you are nuts. 4 years ago we didn't even make WC!!!!
So Mexico won because they had 22 shots which only five on target?
Does a shot really matter if it’s not on target?
As has already been said, dig a little deeper and the story begins to balance itself out.
This is a key point to the debate. Berhalter is using this tournament as a way to create a player pool with experience. There are players with little national experience and some who have not played in a few years (essentially dropped by the predecessor). To say there is no growth is not true. This was a chance to see players that could possibly bolster the starting lineup as well as offer a stronger group of players to chose from.
What the US showed was progression against a team that should have beat them. The US showed it can beat Mexico despite fielding an inferior team. It showed with expanding its pool they just became stronger by finding new players they may have excluded from being called in. It showed commitment throughout the game to keep playing and to break down their opponent.
A lot was gained during this event and much learned.
What the US showed was progression against a team that should have beat them. The US showed it can beat Mexico despite fielding an inferior team. It showed with expanding its pool they just became stronger by finding new players they may have excluded from being called in. It showed commitment throughout the game to keep playing and to break down their opponent.
A lot was gained during this event and much learned.