Eagle33
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Surf Cup Scandal: Dallas Texans (PST) Salazar colludes with TFA
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thelonggame
SILVER ELITE
Parents live in fear of coaches for many reasons and would never speak up on any condition. Some reasons include not knowing enough about soccer (yes, it happens) and not feeling qualified to engage the coach, not feeling it's their place to do so, but more than anything not wanting to create a problem which inevitably puts the kid in a bad light, especially with hotshot coaches who play God and will immediately banish the kid.
Club soccer is ruled by grudges held by adults. If these 2 teams colluded to try and knock surf out of a final, I'm sure there is some bad blood between coaches that could go back to their own high school days.
Heck, most decisions that clubs make happen because of some silly adult grudge- This is more important than money to most clubs. And more important than player development or child well-being. (look at the DA, ECNL, DPL, SCDSL, Coast, Cal-South, NPL, club mergers, etc, etc stuff over the past decade. All because someone thinks someone else is an asshole)
Heck, most decisions that clubs make happen because of some silly adult grudge- This is more important than money to most clubs. And more important than player development or child well-being. (look at the DA, ECNL, DPL, SCDSL, Coast, Cal-South, NPL, club mergers, etc, etc stuff over the past decade. All because someone thinks someone else is an asshole)
Futbol2dmaxxx
SILVER
Well said ! And spot on everything you said about TFA training but that whale a with all the younger age groups ect one thing add debatable or not. TFA (the W )condones this behavior from the younger 2012 to 2010 whether it’s their A B C teams. Am glad someone called the coach Caperelli name out already ,definitely should be held accountable. Word is that he currently attending cal south classes to obtain he's D license , wonder how that going to turn out
Why parents on the TFA side didn’t say anything because their child would have suffer the consequences. Because when they don’t get their way they turn on the player/parents ,90% are Latinos they go with that illusion you mention. But trust me Karen/Ken would have been raising hell if they received or heard coach talking about let’s just tie .That why a good handful or more left to their neighbor club and taking advantage during Covid in regards to clubs fee
Back to this , I keep hearing but I may be wrong, these last couple years have they really being raided by LAG and LAFC. Anyway website page was probably taken down because the W probably threatened to sue TFA can’t take the truth. End the day everything out whether both Dallas or TFA like it our not.
These clubs are Families and they all have a Boss. Bingo coach buck on the grudges all these Bosses have against one another. Who is stuck in the middle of the grudge? The parent ((customer)) and the player ((uses her body to win medals for club)).
Grudge: a persistent feeling of ill will or resentment resulting from a past insult or injury
We all know who has biggest grudge in socal, right? Some dads make fun of the Gaffer and Tad for working hard to find the best players from other clubs. It's starts with a little ill will at games of these clubs and the Docs from other clubs are watching their goats and looking to steal them after the season is over. When goat is stolen ((that's what they say)) resentment is fostered and then bitterness is created and then jealousy and sometimes, hatred takes over. After hatred is full grown in the heart of man, he goes full Cain and does what Cain does so well, attacks the opponent. That's why the GDA was formed in the first place. Clubs with a grudge and men looking to make money and have ALL the control of The List and the power to influence the customer or some say control the market share. We can do better folks and we will
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CheatingMkay
BRONZE
There is overwhelming evidence that TFA and the Texans colluded to fix a match. Amongst 10 year old boys. With dozens of complicit parents.
Surf probably should have forfeited both teams. It's in their rules to do so. But at the end of the day, they decided to punish the coach and not the boys. The boys were told by someone they trust to do something, so they did it.
Instead, both coaches have been banned from Surf Cup.
Once again, we could clear this all up if the TFA coach posts the full game video like he promised. How about it, Vicente Caparelli? Let's clear your name.
Surf probably should have forfeited both teams. It's in their rules to do so. But at the end of the day, they decided to punish the coach and not the boys. The boys were told by someone they trust to do something, so they did it.
Instead, both coaches have been banned from Surf Cup.
Once again, we could clear this all up if the TFA coach posts the full game video like he promised. How about it, Vicente Caparelli? Let's clear your name.
It's funny you would bring up race. Although, TFA is predominately Latino, this particular team 2010 "B" is mostly CAUCASIAN. Many of the players came from a team that folded in the South Bay. So I guess the Karen/Ken did not raise hell. Not sure what race has to do with this, but at the root of it, what they did was wrong. I'm not going to argue that point. The coach got caught up in the moment and made a bad decision. He should be held accountable, the team should be reprimanded. But to come out and just start bashing the club as a whole, that's unfair. I guess this is an opportunity many have been waiting for to bash a club they haven't been able to beat or because their son was not taken or did not play.
You mentioned this type of behavior is condoned. I would argue it's the complete opposite. With their "A" teams they are asked to compete most of the time with kids much older. No excuses, and you have to be tough. Now this type of club is not for everyone. Many other clubs take a more nurturing approach, where there is less pressure and the kids develop at their own pace, learning from their mistakes. You can be successful in both scenarios, TFA just chooses the approach that works for them.
And you are correct, many players have moved on to LAG and LAFC from the younger age groups. That's part of the reason why they attract so much talent because they know the academies will be taking a look at you if you are part of their program. However, the talent level is definitely still there and many can argue that LAFC and LAG have taken other players. If you need proof, just take a look at the success they continue to have. Both the 2010 (A Team) and 2011 won state cup titles last year, the 2010 (A) won at Mundialito in Spain against academies from La Liga etc. The 2011 just won Copa Rayados where they beat teams like the Philadelphia Union.
At this point, there is nothing to clear up, they colluded. And if you had overwhelming evidence, then the game should have been cancelled.
Maybe it wasn't done to this level, but Surf somehow tied their 3rd game. Were they playing for certain matchups as well?
I agree that it's difficult to expect the kids to disobey the coach; however the parents were definitely aware. It's not like the kids showed up to the game and the coach said, hey this is what we are going to do. This was planned before hand, and parents were aware, Surf was aware, and therefore they should have put an end to this fiasco.
BestOFtheRest
BRONZE
Did the punishment for the coaches get published or is this word of mouth?
If Surf knew before hand I would have suspended the two coaches and allowed the game to be played on the condition that the teams play to win (maybe even prohibit the parents on the sideline). I'm pretty sure if you tell kids that if you lose you don't move on, that kids will play their hearts out. If the game still ended in a tie, then so be it. Obviously the game should be monitored. I have no clue regarding the timing of Surf's knowledge but to me its a lot better to prevent a situation before it happens than allow it to happen and punish after the fact. Some may laugh at this, but I'd bet the fact that any action taken by Surf that prevented the game from being played or disqualifying the teams would be construed by some as ulterior motives by Surf to benefit a Surf team. You may laugh at this too, but maybe, just maybe Surf took the high road in this situation.
I don't know the inner workings of TFA, but we've had nothing but positive experiences with TFA (other than usually getting our butts kicked). It's been a few years, but I've always felt, at least with the youngers, that they play the right way and play some of the most attractive soccer. A handful of years ago we played TFA at Surf Cup. It was the first year they went to the mini fields for the youngers. Goalies could literally score off punts (hadn't implemented any rules yet at the tourney to prevent it). It turned into a game of boom ball, shots on kickoff etc. Every team except TFA resorted to this style of play. TFA continued to play their short passing game, which ultimately cost them in the playoffs.
I don't know the inner workings of TFA, but we've had nothing but positive experiences with TFA (other than usually getting our butts kicked). It's been a few years, but I've always felt, at least with the youngers, that they play the right way and play some of the most attractive soccer. A handful of years ago we played TFA at Surf Cup. It was the first year they went to the mini fields for the youngers. Goalies could literally score off punts (hadn't implemented any rules yet at the tourney to prevent it). It turned into a game of boom ball, shots on kickoff etc. Every team except TFA resorted to this style of play. TFA continued to play their short passing game, which ultimately cost them in the playoffs.
CheatingMkay
BRONZE
100%. Every parent on both teams knew about the fix. To my knowledge, every player on the roster "played" that game. The Texans parents were very much not happy about it. The TFA parents, who knew that if they lost they were not going to the playoffs, seemed to not care.
Surf was aware of the collusion, and confronted both coaches. Both initially denied it but then became evasive when presented with proof. This is on both coaches, Salazar and Caparelli. I blame the coaches and the parents who went along with it.
In the end, Surf Cup had an absolute right to forfeit both teams. But they felt that the punishment should fall squarely on the coaches instead of the kids. I hope some of the parents gain some perspective about how important club soccer is when your kid is 10.
Surf did have a difficult choice and they did what they thought was best. Isolating the kids and recording them without parent consent was a little overboard, but I guess that's what happens when your team gets eliminated. Me personally, I would have used this experience to teach everyone a lesson, especially the coaches and parents. I wouldn't have allowed the final to occur.
If you are familiar with the Surf team [U]CheatingMkay[/U] I ask respectfully, how is it that they tied their 3rd game? You guys by far are a much better team, yet it finished 4-4. Were they also trying to get into a better position to get to the final?
I'm not with Surf, but I can look at the rules and tell you that there was no advantage to a tie for them. They did not possess the tiebreaker, so a tie put them at risk for elimination. You're saying they deliberately put themselves at risk of elimination so they could draw a better semi-final opponent?
Remember, Surf was eliminated on ANY tie in bracket C. Had Texans and TFA both played to win, some kind of tie was not at all unlikely. Both teams knew they advanced on a draw. Park the bus was a viable strategy.
It is far more likely that RSL-AZ just played a great game. That makes way more sense than Surf knocking themselves out of the tournament in order to get a good semi-final draw.
CheatingMkay
BRONZE
Exactly correct. Surf tried to win that game, RSL tried to win that game. Things happen, it's soccer. If Surf had won, they would have moved on in the playoffs. A draw only put them at risk for not advancing.
We're waiting for the video to be produced, so we can all see the evidence. Let's go, Caparelli. Upload it to YouTube and let's put this to rest.
Soccermom18
SILVER
Both coaches were banned after the final match or before the final match? The Dallas Texans coach got to pose with the boys and their championship cup and post it to their homepage. "Texans End 2020 on a High Note at Surf Cup"
Fair enough, it's just difficult to comprehend knowing the quality of team you have.
You guys have such a great team, I guess the boys could have had a bad day. I mean TFA "B" team handled RSL pretty easy 5-2, and let's be real, TFA "B" is not very good. There is the other possibility that Surf knew the Texans would beat TFA "B". Because Surf tied, they would go in as the wildcard, eliminating TFA and setting up a favorable matchup against AZ Arsenal for a clear pathway to the final. I know wild stuff, but man, I don't put anything past anyone anymore.
What's the call for the video for? There is overwhelming evidence. What is the video going to accomplish? They already look like fools.
CheatingMkay
BRONZE
Surf Cup staff learned of the situation the night before the finals, a few hours after the semifinal match. And then received independent confirmation from Dallas Texans parents who reached out a few hours before the final. The coaches were confronted prior to the match, and both lied about it. I'm not privy to exactly what was said to the coaches, but Surf Cup decided to let the match go on and ban the coaches from all future Surf Cup Sports competitions.
CheatingMkay
BRONZE
There is overwhelming evidence. But the TFA coach said he had video which would exonerate him if produced. Produce it, or forever be branded a cheater.
Go ahead and brand him.....he's not producing it....lol
It's a really bad mistake he made. He's a passionate guy and that moment got the best of him for sure.