Surf Cup's Fate

MSK357 said:
a year of not playing is huge. and if you are abiding by gavin newsoms orders 100% then yes, the gap matters. especially since it looks like hes going to keep his restrictions for a couple more months.
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You've already lost nearly a year of play, along with every other team. They're 10. The skills they should understand at 10 they will also be working on when they're 11 and 12 and 13 and so on. Please don't lose any sleep over your kid not getting in a game against a team that is just as rusty, it truly means nothing in the grander scope of their learning the game.

This attitude of "I have to have my kid on the field as much as possible this year because they will revert into these horrible awful players if they don't" is simply untrue and you should question why anyone would say that to you. This year is a year of treading water and any coach who tells you otherwise is flat out lying to you in order to keep your dollars rolling in. Much more important than individual matches, consistency is what will get and keep your kids game IQ high. This is why when in mid-June we saw that league play was exceedingly unlikely for the year, we basically called the year a wash and went on a plan to keep kids fit along with keeping up their individual skills because they are unlikely to keep their game IQ with no sustained summer tournaments and fall league play.

This is one of the things you will learn for yourself as your kid gets older-- game IQ is not this cumulative thing that a 10 year old will build up over time but a very fleeting muscle memory for kids as they develop. A kid who can win a take-on at 10 may or may not be able to win that same take-on against that same opponent at 11. That's fine. You don't need to spend the extra outlay driving out to Scottsdale, staying in a hotel, eating out, and then driving back, just for 3 games because they'll make or break your kid. They won't, trust me.
 
MSK357 said:
wrong, i was talking about the youngers. look at the post above yours. i straight up said i dont know what the olders are doing. but go and and keep digging.
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I know what you were talking about. It was not what they were talking about. I hear the vaccine is just Prilosec.
 
notintheface said:
You've already lost nearly a year of play, along with every other team. They're 10. The skills they should understand at 10 they will also be working on when they're 11 and 12 and 13 and so on. Please don't lose any sleep over your kid not getting in a game against a team that is just as rusty, it truly means nothing in the grander scope of their learning the game.

This attitude of "I have to have my kid on the field as much as possible this year because they will revert into these horrible awful players if they don't" is simply untrue and you should question why anyone would say that to you. This year is a year of treading water and any coach who tells you otherwise is flat out lying to you in order to keep your dollars rolling in. Much more important than individual matches, consistency is what will get and keep your kids game IQ high. This is why when in mid-June we saw that league play was exceedingly unlikely for the year, we basically called the year a wash and went on a plan to keep kids fit along with keeping up their individual skills because they are unlikely to keep their game IQ with no sustained summer tournaments and fall league play.

This is one of the things you will learn for yourself as your kid gets older-- game IQ is not this cumulative thing that a 10 year old will build up over time but a very fleeting muscle memory for kids as they develop. A kid who can win a take-on at 10 may or may not be able to win that same take-on against that same opponent at 11. That's fine. You don't need to spend the extra outlay driving out to Scottsdale, staying in a hotel, eating out, and then driving back, just for 3 games because they'll make or break your kid. They won't, trust me.
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I dont think this virus is that bad for healthy young parents like myself or kids as young as mine. So i see no issue having them play with other kids and parents who feel the same way. Its just a fact that if you dont play for a year, you will fall behind. sure some kinds will catch up. some wont. We arent disagreeing here. we both agree there is a gap they have to overcome. you just dont like the fact that i believe the risk is low for my age group and my kids age group and that i still want them to play.
 
MSK357 said:
I dont think this virus is that bad for healthy young parents like myself or kids as young as mine. So i see no issue having them play with other kids and parents who feel the same way. Its just a fact that if you dont play for a year, you will fall behind.
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Here's a secret for you. If a Ulittle doesn't play a match in anger for six weeks, their game IQ drops. Six weeks. For clubs that have a one month break in late spring or in winter, those kids already come back rusty and it is a crash course in getting them back up to speed before tournaments hit. Please understand that a 10 year old who maintains their fitness but does not play a scrimmage for this year will not lose nearly as much as you (or your coach, I'm guessing) say. They lost that sharpness by early May. Any kind of "gap" that you feel would be gained by your kid as a result of playing games in early January, they will lose by mid February. That is how a Ulittle brain functions. Look-- your kid is not going to be Messi. Your kid is not going to be Morgan. If they were, you wouldn't be here saying that they need the games. Just don't worry about it. One half-baked tournament in the desert isn't going to get them a college opportunity eight years from now. When the USWNT gets interviewed in 2032 ahead of their third-place match against Australia, there aren't going to be heartwarming feelgood stories about how their left mid spent the pandemic driving all over the southwest just to get in a couple of games. What your coach has convinced you of is that "now is the time for us to get better while everyone else gets worse!!!" and that is a load of crap, and how will you feel when you get steamrollered by a team that effectively took the year off.
 
notintheface said:
Here's a secret for you. If a Ulittle doesn't play a match in anger for six weeks, their game IQ drops. Six weeks. For clubs that have a one month break in late spring or in winter, those kids already come back rusty and it is a crash course in getting them back up to speed before tournaments hit. Please understand that a 10 year old who maintains their fitness but does not play a scrimmage for this year will not lose nearly as much as you (or your coach, I'm guessing) say. They lost that sharpness by early May. Any kind of "gap" that you feel would be gained by your kid as a result of playing games in early January, they will lose by mid February. That is how a Ulittle brain functions. Look-- your kid is not going to be Messi. Your kid is not going to be Morgan. If they were, you wouldn't be here saying that they need the games. Just don't worry about it. One half-baked tournament in the desert isn't going to get them a college opportunity eight years from now. When the USWNT gets interviewed in 2032 ahead of their third-place match against Australia, there aren't going to be heartwarming feelgood stories about how their left mid spent the pandemic driving all over the southwest just to get in a couple of games. What your coach has convinced you of is that "now is the time for us to get better while everyone else gets worse!!!" and that is a load of crap, and how will you feel when you get steamrollered by a team that effectively took the year off.
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Look man, you dont get it, my kids want to play. i dont think its as risky as you think it is. Drills are great, but playing games are more fun for them. Not only is it about getting better at soccer, but it helps them socially as they interact with other kids. thats what sports do. sure, they could do that other ways, but this is what they want to do, and i dont think its as risky as a grandpa going to a grocery store picking out fruit. I just also happen to believe not playing games for a year is going cause some kids to regress. you admit theres a gap. i agree. you dont think the gap matters, i disagree. because when you compare a kid who drills 6 ft apart with cones for 12 months compared to a kid that scrimmages every weekend in addition to contact practices, im sorry but that gap is widening everyday whether you believe it or not.
 
MSK357 said:
Look man, you dont get it, my kids want to play. i dont think its as risky as you think it is. Drills are great, but playing games are more fun for them. Not only is it about getting better at soccer, but it helps them socially as they interact with other kids. thats what sports do. sure, they could do that other ways, but this is what they want to do, and i dont think its as risky as a grandpa going to a grocery store picking out fruit. I just also happen to believe not playing games for a year is going cause some kids to regress. you admit theres a gap. i agree. you dont think the gap matters, i disagree. because when you compare a kid who drills 6 ft apart with cones for 12 months compared to a kid that scrimmages every weekend in addition to contact practices, im sorry but that gap is widening everyday whether you believe it or not.
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It's all about competition and playing the game my soon to be 17 year old. Some people never played the game and have no clue about sports and the court or the field. Always in the classroom telling everyone how right they are and how wrong everyone else is. Classic!!!
 
notintheface said:
You've already lost nearly a year of play, along with every other team. They're 10. The skills they should understand at 10 they will also be working on when they're 11 and 12 and 13 and so on. Please don't lose any sleep over your kid not getting in a game against a team that is just as rusty, it truly means nothing in the grander scope of their learning the game.

This attitude of "I have to have my kid on the field as much as possible this year because they will revert into these horrible awful players if they don't" is simply untrue and you should question why anyone would say that to you. This year is a year of treading water and any coach who tells you otherwise is flat out lying to you in order to keep your dollars rolling in. Much more important than individual matches, consistency is what will get and keep your kids game IQ high. This is why when in mid-June we saw that league play was exceedingly unlikely for the year, we basically called the year a wash and went on a plan to keep kids fit along with keeping up their individual skills because they are unlikely to keep their game IQ with no sustained summer tournaments and fall league play.

This is one of the things you will learn for yourself as your kid gets older-- game IQ is not this cumulative thing that a 10 year old will build up over time but a very fleeting muscle memory for kids as they develop. A kid who can win a take-on at 10 may or may not be able to win that same take-on against that same opponent at 11. That's fine. You don't need to spend the extra outlay driving out to Scottsdale, staying in a hotel, eating out, and then driving back, just for 3 games because they'll make or break your kid. They won't, trust me.
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You’ve clearly been through this and seen plenty of parents with pre-teen fringe “elite” soccer daughters.

The panicky and desperate parents like @MSK357 are pretty much all the same. Neither they nor their kid were ever elite athletically. Because Daddy doesn’t understand yet what elite athletics really is, he is still fixated on the delusion that Stanford or UCLA is a possibility despite his daughter’s middling athleticism if only she works hard enough. He fears soccer greatness for his daughter is slipping further and further away every day she can’t play due to Covid, because he thinks wrongly that developing high soccer IQ will give his kid the advantage she needs to overcome the athleticism deficit. He hasn’t yet seen what happens post puberty when the likes of a Macario or Reilyn Turner steamrolls his daughter with the high soccer IQ to the point he finally must accept that they’re looking at D3 if anything, and maybe should have put more attention into stem classes.

But for now, the slow sinking feeling of time lost due to Covid is so consuming that he’s on social media proposing that people agree to bizarre behavior that will actually get people killed. Such is the level of his desperation.
 
EOTL said:
You’ve clearly been through this and seen plenty of parents with pre-teen fringe “elite” soccer daughters.

The panicky and desperate parents like @MSK357 are pretty much all the same. Neither they nor their kid were ever elite athletically. Because Daddy doesn’t understand yet what elite athletics really is, he is still fixated on the delusion that Stanford or UCLA is a possibility despite his daughter’s middling athleticism if only she works hard enough. He fears soccer greatness for his daughter is slipping further and further away every day she can’t play due to Covid, because he thinks wrongly that developing high soccer IQ will give his kid the advantage she needs to overcome the athleticism deficit. He hasn’t yet seen what happens post puberty when the likes of a Macario or Reilyn Turner steamrolls his daughter with the high soccer IQ to the point he finally must accept that they’re looking at D3 if anything, and maybe should have put more attention into stem classes.

But for now, the slow sinking feeling of time lost due to Covid is so consuming that he’s on social media proposing that people agree to bizarre behavior that will actually get people killed. Such is the level of his desperation.
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nope, if anyone is panicky its people buying toilet paper. im just letting my kids play soccer. stop lurking in youth soccer forums pedo. this is for parents with kids that play soccer.
 
MSK357 said:
nope, if anyone is panicky its people buying toilet paper. im just letting my kids play soccer. stop lurking in youth soccer forums pedo. this is for parents with kids that play soccer.
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That’s right. I keep forgetting I’m just a homeless guy killing time at a public library in Washington state. I obviously missed the CalSouth memo explaining how important it is for 10 year old girls and their families to go to AZ during the worst part of a pandemic that is killing 3000 people a day. If you wait until April, it’s too late, your daughter will never gain the immense soccer knowledge lost during those formative months. There will be some girl from North Dakota whose parents died for the cause so their daughter could gain that valuable soccer IQ that Gavin Newsom forced yours to miss, and who took your dd’s spot at UCLA and then the WNT. True American heroes. And Gavin probably laughed about what he did to your kid during dinner at the French Laundry.
 
MSK357 said:
Look man, you dont get it, my kids want to play. i dont think its as risky as you think it is. Drills are great, but playing games are more fun for them. Not only is it about getting better at soccer, but it helps them socially as they interact with other kids. thats what sports do. sure, they could do that other ways, but this is what they want to do, and i dont think its as risky as a grandpa going to a grocery store picking out fruit. I just also happen to believe not playing games for a year is going cause some kids to regress. you admit theres a gap. i agree. you dont think the gap matters, i disagree. because when you compare a kid who drills 6 ft apart with cones for 12 months compared to a kid that scrimmages every weekend in addition to contact practices, im sorry but that gap is widening everyday whether you believe it or not.
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I get it. Your kids want to play. Everyones kids want to play, that's not what I am saying. What I am saying is that your belief that Surf Cup is going to have any long-term consequences for your kid is misguided. It will not.

You're saying "not playing games for a year is going (to) cause some kids to regress". No-- not playing games for six weeks definitely causes littles to regress. I am saying that everybody is in the same boat for 2020. Look at the sheer number of clubs here -- http://scdslsoccer.com/club-directory and https://www.coastsoccer.com/page/show/1327040-clubs -- and then tell me that your team will definitively be able to beat most of those teams just because you got three games in January. At some point your dear daughter or son are going to go up against a team that sat out for 2020 and still blows your team out. Please don't sweat that and push your kid ever harder.

You can tell me all you want about the 11 year old who you are pushing ever harder into full contact scrimmages and a match every couple of months and about this mythical gap. I will tell you about all kinds of stories of a bunch of 16 year old kids who started playing in 8th grade and can flatten just about anyone out there. I totally get it, you're trying to justify the multiple thousands of dollars that you're paying out in the middle of a pandemic. Justify it by saying that your kid has an activity that they enjoy. That's great! Worth every penny! Don't justify it by saying that your kid is magically going to become the next Bruno Fernandes or Jill Scott because they got half a dozen more games than their peers when they were 11 years old.
 
notintheface said:
I get it. Your kids want to play. Everyones kids want to play, that's not what I am saying. What I am saying is that your belief that Surf Cup is going to have any long-term consequences for your kid is misguided. It will not.

You're saying "not playing games for a year is going (to) cause some kids to regress". No-- not playing games for six weeks definitely causes littles to regress. I am saying that everybody is in the same boat for 2020. Look at the sheer number of clubs here -- http://scdslsoccer.com/club-directory and https://www.coastsoccer.com/page/show/1327040-clubs -- and then tell me that your team will definitively be able to beat most of those teams just because you got three games in January. At some point your dear daughter or son are going to go up against a team that sat out for 2020 and still blows your team out. Please don't sweat that and push your kid ever harder.

You can tell me all you want about the 11 year old who you are pushing ever harder into full contact scrimmages and a match every couple of months and about this mythical gap. I will tell you about all kinds of stories of a bunch of 16 year old kids who started playing in 8th grade and can flatten just about anyone out there. I totally get it, you're trying to justify the multiple thousands of dollars that you're paying out in the middle of a pandemic. Justify it by saying that your kid has an activity that they enjoy. That's great! Worth every penny! Don't justify it by saying that your kid is magically going to become the next Bruno Fernandes or Jill Scott because they got half a dozen more games than their peers when they were 11 years old.
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Are you living in a dream world? I dont think surf cup will be anything but my kid having fun at a tournament. Nothing else. I did say playing games more often then those that don't play games will make them better players. You even admitted that. Who said anything about bruno Fernandes and Jill Scott? Lol. Now I know you're trolling. You're looking way too into this. My kids like to play soccer games. I let them play because science says they are not likely to die from the virus like grandpa and grandma. Playing more often and contact practices will make them better players. You are a fool if you think skipping that for a year doesn't regress them as players. Thats it. Period. Sure some kids will catch up. But thats my point. If there wasn't a gap, they wouldn't need to catch up. Congratulations, you played yourself.
 
notintheface said:
You've already lost nearly a year of play, along with every other team. They're 10. The skills they should understand at 10 they will also be working on when they're 11 and 12 and 13 and so on. Please don't lose any sleep over your kid not getting in a game against a team that is just as rusty, it truly means nothing in the grander scope of their learning the game.

This attitude of "I have to have my kid on the field as much as possible this year because they will revert into these horrible awful players if they don't" is simply untrue and you should question why anyone would say that to you. This year is a year of treading water and any coach who tells you otherwise is flat out lying to you in order to keep your dollars rolling in. Much more important than individual matches, consistency is what will get and keep your kids game IQ high. This is why when in mid-June we saw that league play was exceedingly unlikely for the year, we basically called the year a wash and went on a plan to keep kids fit along with keeping up their individual skills because they are unlikely to keep their game IQ with no sustained summer tournaments and fall league play.

This is one of the things you will learn for yourself as your kid gets older-- game IQ is not this cumulative thing that a 10 year old will build up over time but a very fleeting muscle memory for kids as they develop. A kid who can win a take-on at 10 may or may not be able to win that same take-on against that same opponent at 11. That's fine. You don't need to spend the extra outlay driving out to Scottsdale, staying in a hotel, eating out, and then driving back, just for 3 games because they'll make or break your kid. They won't, trust me.
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I happen to agree with this sentiment. There is certainly FOMO for some people, but others just have kids that want to play. So whatever the reason that's the parents choice and if they want to drive to AZ to play, more power to them. Some parents are also worried about other teams getting a head start here in CA because some clubs are stretching or ignoring the rules. Any advantage those teams have will be short lived assuming they even play a game this season.

BTW, I don't know if this has been mentioned but Albion's Development Showcase has been scheduled for January 9-10 in Bullhead City, AZ
 
MSK357 said:
Are you living in a dream world? I dont think surf cup will be anything but my kid having fun at a tournament. Nothing else. I did say playing games more often then those that don't play games will make them better players. You even admitted that. Who said anything about bruno Fernandes and Jill Scott? Lol. Now I know you're trolling. You're looking way too into this. My kids like to play soccer games. I let them play because science says they are not likely to die from the virus like grandpa and grandma. Playing more often and contact practices will make them better players. You are a fool if you think skipping that for a year doesn't regress them as players. Thats it. Period. Sure some kids will catch up. But thats my point. If there wasn't a gap, they wouldn't need to catch up. Congratulations, you played yourself.
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I know you realize you are arguing with mindless sheep here? You are absolutely right to exercise your constitutional right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The china virus science supports your assertion that your age group is extremely low risk. 4% of the population tested positive and 99.6% survival rate nationally. If playing soccer makes you and your family happy, go for it and let the sheep scurry around inside their isolation bubbles. We all know you and your family and the rest of your team will use proper safety recommendations at the tournament as will others that attend. The sheep are just angry because they live in fear and are afraid to venture out of their bubble. Good luck at the tournament. We will be there also enjoying watching some great soccer.
 
Soccer parents just need to take a 3 week rest from the sport and let’s hope we can get these out of state tournaments back in January. As long as the kids focus on fitness and footwork drills, they will get back on track in a few weeks once they start playing again.
 
Lavey29 said:
I know you realize you are arguing with mindless sheep here? You are absolutely right to exercise your constitutional right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The china virus science supports your assertion that your age group is extremely low risk. 4% of the population tested positive and 99.6% survival rate nationally. If playing soccer makes you and your family happy, go for it and let the sheep scurry around inside their isolation bubbles. We all know you and your family and the rest of your team will use proper safety recommendations at the tournament as will others that attend. The sheep are just angry because they live in fear and are afraid to venture out of their bubble. Good luck at the tournament. We will be there also enjoying watching some great soccer.
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Racist.
 
SoccerFan4Life said:
Soccer parents just need to take a 3 week rest from the sport and let’s hope we can get these out of state tournaments back in January. As long as the kids focus on fitness and footwork drills, they will get back on track in a few weeks once they start playing again.
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I actually do want to take a break from tournaments. I dont mind having my kids play locally. There's better competition here anyway. My kids are the ones that want to go. But now feel like going out of spite just to piss off the snowflakes lol. So I guess I'll be signing up for every tournament here on out. My wallet will hate me but my kids will love it. Pissing off EOTL and notintheface is just a bonus. Lol.
 
MSK357 said:
Are you living in a dream world? I dont think surf cup will be anything but my kid having fun at a tournament. Nothing else. I did say playing games more often then those that don't play games will make them better players. You even admitted that. Who said anything about bruno Fernandes and Jill Scott? Lol. Now I know you're trolling. You're looking way too into this. My kids like to play soccer games. I let them play because science says they are not likely to die from the virus like grandpa and grandma. Playing more often and contact practices will make them better players. You are a fool if you think skipping that for a year doesn't regress them as players. Thats it. Period. Sure some kids will catch up. But thats my point. If there wasn't a gap, they wouldn't need to catch up. Congratulations, you played yourself.
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The same guy who’s got his kid participating in covert soccer practices, driving his ten year old 5-7 hours each way to AZ to play soccer games during the worst part of the worst pandemic in more than 100 years, and whining about how not being able to play games is hurting his 10 year old’s soccer IQ is now claiming he’s taking her to AZ just for the sheer joy of the sport.

Sure.
 
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