Trump Lost

thelonggame said:
Most sensible supporters will pack it up and support Biden because that's what sensible people do. There will always be those nut jobs who stick around and try to fight on, but with less and less TV time they'll find some conservative media to whine that Biden put out a Covid plan before even taking the job while Trump never had one, or a healthcare plan, or an economic plan, or an immigration plan. And something great will happen after the innauguration and some nutjob will say Trump did it.
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I love when dems attack Trump rather than supporting Biden who has brought NOTHING to the table before this election day. In fact, name one meaningful thing Biden said prior to election day? And please don't say "he'll cure Coronavirus". I watched him a lot and still don't know what he wants to do if elected president. I watched the debates and all I saw was Biden attacking Trump on what he did wrong. I'm not saying Trump is perfect, no one is, but what did Biden do in the 8 years with Obama that brought any value to this country? As a middle class man all I saw was higher taxes, high gas prices and higher medical. In fact, we got dropped from our pediatrician of 10 years (because Obama care patients had priority), paid $7,000 for an ER visit because of Obama care, lost child tax credits because of Obama and Biden. With Trump, I got several more thousand in my pocket from taxes, paid less for gas and paid a bit less for medical (Dems didn't let Trump kill Obamacare so not his fault). And yes, I watch both CNN, Fox and the other conservative news channels so I can get a worldly picture, and a lot of the facts are not presented on the dem channels. They are conveniently hidden to enforce their dem ways. I.e., CNN has not (to my knowledge) admitted any fraud going on in the election. Why has CNN not spoken of the several hundred thousand votes that came in 99% for Biden at 3am? Hmmm. I am a math guy and those stats are just plain impossible unless there's fraud.

I've made my opinions only after listening to both sides. Please do the same people so you're not just a minion in the leftist/democratic society. Trump is doing nothing that the dems didn't already do with Hillary's recount in 2016. If Biden wins and does some good stuff, I'm all ears and will embrace. Just haven't heard anything good yet and still have a bad taste in my mouth from Obama and how it impacted my family.

And finally, let's be honest. I love when dems say "let's all just get along" when dems have crucified Trump for 4 years with the Russian conspiracy, impeachment hearings, Kavanaugh crucifixion and constant attacks on all the main stream media just because he says it like it is. It's amazing Trump got any work done at all these past 4 years. Dems are the ones causing all the issues, not Trump. Look at who's attacking who. When was the last time you even heard of a republican burning down a building or republicans rioting(different than a peaceful protest which I'm ok with)? Oh right, not in my lifetime. Furthermore, all this same racial tension existed during Obama. It's just now the dem channels are shoving it in your face so you believe there's more racial injustice now than ever. I think any innocent life lost is bad but look at the facts people. Enough rambling for now but I can't just stand one-sided people. For you Biden fans, please list out his accomplishments for me. I'm all ears.
 
soccer dude said:
I love when dems attack Trump rather than supporting Biden who has brought NOTHING to the table before this election day. In fact, name one meaningful thing Biden said prior to election day? And please don't say "he'll cure Coronavirus". I watched him a lot and still don't know what he wants to do if elected president. I watched the debates and all I saw was Biden attacking Trump on what he did wrong. I'm not saying Trump is perfect, no one is, but what did Biden do in the 8 years with Obama that brought any value to this country? As a middle class man all I saw was higher taxes, high gas prices and higher medical. In fact, we got dropped from our pediatrician of 10 years (because Obama care patients had priority), paid $7,000 for an ER visit because of Obama care, lost child tax credits because of Obama and Biden. With Trump, I got several more thousand in my pocket from taxes, paid less for gas and paid a bit less for medical (Dems didn't let Trump kill Obamacare so not his fault). And yes, I watch both CNN, Fox and the other conservative news channels so I can get a worldly picture, and a lot of the facts are not presented on the dem channels. They are conveniently hidden to enforce their dem ways. I.e., CNN has not (to my knowledge) admitted any fraud going on in the election. Why has CNN not spoken of the several hundred thousand votes that came in 99% for Biden at 3am? Hmmm. I am a math guy and those stats are just plain impossible unless there's fraud. I've made my opinions only after listening to both sides. Please do the same people so you're not just a minion in the leftist/democratic society. Trump is doing nothing that the dems didn't already do with Hillary's recount in 2016. If Biden wins and does some good stuff, I'm all ears and will embrace. Just haven't heard anything good yet and still have a bad taste in my mouth from Obama and how it impacted my family. And finally, let's be honest. I love when dems say "let's all just get along" when dems have crucified Trump for 4 years with the Russian conspiracy, impeachment hearings, Kavanaugh crucifixion and constant attacks on all the main stream media just because he says it like it is. It's amazing Trump got any work done at all these past 4 years. Dems are the ones causing all the issues, not Trump. Look at who's attacking who. When was the last time you even heard of a republican burning down a building or republicans rioting(different than a peaceful protest which I'm ok with)? Oh right, not in my lifetime. Furthermore, all this same racial tension existed during Obama. It's just now the dem channels are shoving it in your face so you believe there's more racial injustice now than ever. I think any innocent life lost is bad but look at the facts people. Enough rambling for now but I can't just stand one-sided people. For you Biden fans, please list out his accomplishments for me. I'm all ears.
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soccer dude said:
I love when dems attack Trump rather than supporting Biden who has brought NOTHING to the table before this election day. In fact, name one meaningful thing Biden said prior to election day? And please don't say "he'll cure Coronavirus". I watched him a lot and still don't know what he wants to do if elected president. I watched the debates and all I saw was Biden attacking Trump on what he did wrong. I'm not saying Trump is perfect, no one is, but what did Biden do in the 8 years with Obama that brought any value to this country? As a middle class man all I saw was higher taxes, high gas prices and higher medical. In fact, we got dropped from our pediatrician of 10 years (because Obama care patients had priority), paid $7,000 for an ER visit because of Obama care, lost child tax credits because of Obama and Biden. With Trump, I got several more thousand in my pocket from taxes, paid less for gas and paid a bit less for medical (Dems didn't let Trump kill Obamacare so not his fault). And yes, I watch both CNN, Fox and the other conservative news channels so I can get a worldly picture, and a lot of the facts are not presented on the dem channels. They are conveniently hidden to enforce their dem ways. I.e., CNN has not (to my knowledge) admitted any fraud going on in the election. Why has CNN not spoken of the several hundred thousand votes that came in 99% for Biden at 3am? Hmmm. I am a math guy and those stats are just plain impossible unless there's fraud. I've made my opinions only after listening to both sides. Please do the same people so you're not just a minion in the leftist/democratic society. Trump is doing nothing that the dems didn't already do with Hillary's recount in 2016. If Biden wins and does some good stuff, I'm all ears and will embrace. Just haven't heard anything good yet and still have a bad taste in my mouth from Obama and how it impacted my family. And finally, let's be honest. I love when dems say "let's all just get along" when dems have crucified Trump for 4 years with the Russian conspiracy, impeachment hearings, Kavanaugh crucifixion and constant attacks on all the main stream media just because he says it like it is. It's amazing Trump got any work done at all these past 4 years. Dems are the ones causing all the issues, not Trump. Look at who's attacking who. When was the last time you even heard of a republican burning down a building or republicans rioting(different than a peaceful protest which I'm ok with)? Oh right, not in my lifetime. Furthermore, all this same racial tension existed during Obama. It's just now the dem channels are shoving it in your face so you believe there's more racial injustice now than ever. I think any innocent life lost is bad but look at the facts people. Enough rambling for now but I can't just stand one-sided people. For you Biden fans, please list out his accomplishments for me. I'm all ears.
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soccer dude said:
I love when dems attack Trump rather than supporting Biden who has brought NOTHING to the table before this election day. In fact, name one meaningful thing Biden said prior to election day? And please don't say "he'll cure Coronavirus". I watched him a lot and still don't know what he wants to do if elected president. I watched the debates and all I saw was Biden attacking Trump on what he did wrong. I'm not saying Trump is perfect, no one is, but what did Biden do in the 8 years with Obama that brought any value to this country? As a middle class man all I saw was higher taxes, high gas prices and higher medical. In fact, we got dropped from our pediatrician of 10 years (because Obama care patients had priority), paid $7,000 for an ER visit because of Obama care, lost child tax credits because of Obama and Biden. With Trump, I got several more thousand in my pocket from taxes, paid less for gas and paid a bit less for medical (Dems didn't let Trump kill Obamacare so not his fault). And yes, I watch both CNN, Fox and the other conservative news channels so I can get a worldly picture, and a lot of the facts are not presented on the dem channels. They are conveniently hidden to enforce their dem ways. I.e., CNN has not (to my knowledge) admitted any fraud going on in the election. Why has CNN not spoken of the several hundred thousand votes that came in 99% for Biden at 3am? Hmmm. I am a math guy and those stats are just plain impossible unless there's fraud.

I've made my opinions only after listening to both sides. Please do the same people so you're not just a minion in the leftist/democratic society. Trump is doing nothing that the dems didn't already do with Hillary's recount in 2016. If Biden wins and does some good stuff, I'm all ears and will embrace. Just haven't heard anything good yet and still have a bad taste in my mouth from Obama and how it impacted my family.

And finally, let's be honest. I love when dems say "let's all just get along" when dems have crucified Trump for 4 years with the Russian conspiracy, impeachment hearings, Kavanaugh crucifixion and constant attacks on all the main stream media just because he says it like it is. It's amazing Trump got any work done at all these past 4 years. Dems are the ones causing all the issues, not Trump. Look at who's attacking who. When was the last time you even heard of a republican burning down a building or republicans rioting(different than a peaceful protest which I'm ok with)? Oh right, not in my lifetime. Furthermore, all this same racial tension existed during Obama. It's just now the dem channels are shoving it in your face so you believe there's more racial injustice now than ever. I think any innocent life lost is bad but look at the facts people. Enough rambling for now but I can't just stand one-sided people. For you Biden fans, please list out his accomplishments for me. I'm all ears.
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Coocoo.
 
I am not surprised at this point to see the term "bribery for pardons" in the news, since it continues a theme of T has mined just about every nugget t could find for his personal benefit.

Is Rudy's name in the redacted pages? It seems that he should know whether or not his personal effects were searched or seized.
 
espola said:
I am not surprised at this point to see the term "bribery for pardons" in the news, since it continues a theme of T has mined just about every nugget t could find for his personal benefit.

Is Rudy's name in the redacted pages? It seems that he should know whether or not his personal effects were searched or seized.
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Yawn
 
thelonggame said:
Fair comment, but there was overt Russian meddling before the election and it was known by everyone except those who said fake news. Yes, people who hug trees and people who hold up fake dead babies to tell you that abortion is wrong, both are fucked. But we gotta get real here, the Trump politics was extreme as a tree hugger in terms of driving an agenda that included basically no one who didn't look like Ivanka. People got in the streets to protest that, if you have a shred of empathy, you understand that.
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I have empathy for brown people in the middle east; thank God they got four years of reduced wars and increased peace agreements under Trump. I pray it lasts. Sad to know they might lose that quickly under your establishment and Biden.

Hopefully the peace agreements outdo the thirst for blood and war from ignorant people like yourself who worship the corporate media.
 
thelonggame said:
This is a tired figure. Unemployment has been going up for the last 8 years before Trump burned it down during Covid, everyone was benefitting for a short period of time. But the house of cards was already falling in February as we had lost the trade war with China and recession talk had been around the year before. Still, all the guy had to do was look at Covid as a medical issue and not make it political and he's in the white house today with no problem.
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You are very racist. Tired figure? Blowing off an amazing growth in financial well-being for minorities is nothing to scoff at. My family migrated here from El Salvador and Russia as Jews. One side dealt with government oppression in El Salvador and the other the Holocaust. We celebrate when we see minorities succeed because that is what we did as a family; we also appreciate when government stays out of our way. If you are going to attribute COVID as a failure of the Trump admin, you must also attribute the unemployment numbers amongst minorities as a success of the Trump admin; otherwise you offer nothing but a mouth for the propaganda machine to stick it's shaft into.
 
nextgenathletics said:
I have empathy for brown people in the middle east; thank God they got four years of reduced wars and increased peace agreements under Trump. I pray it lasts. Sad to know they might lose that quickly under your establishment and Biden.

Hopefully the peace agreements outdo the thirst for blood and war from ignorant people like yourself who worship the corporate media.
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Apparently you believe trump over the reality, google Yemen or perhaps Syria? Not to mention the ongoing genocide in Africa.
 
nextgenathletics said:
You are very racist. Tired figure? Blowing off an amazing growth in financial well-being for minorities is nothing to scoff at. My family migrated here from El Salvador and Russia as Jews. One side dealt with government oppression in El Salvador and the other the Holocaust. We celebrate when we see minorities succeed because that is what we did as a family; we also appreciate when government stays out of our way. If you are going to attribute COVID as a failure of the Trump admin, you must also attribute the unemployment numbers amongst minorities as a success of the Trump admin; otherwise you offer nothing but a mouth for the propaganda machine to stick it's shaft into.
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The economy that trump inherited had been on the way up for years. The failures from the top regarding COVID-19 was all his doing or more precisely not doing much. trumps complete lack of understanding concerning both issues is why he wasn’t re-elected. Control the virus and the economy would never hit to where we are now, a dip, but not this cavern. It’s ok a democrat is on the way to right the ship, once again, part of the team that did it last time.
 
Sheriff Joe said:
You people have been saying the last election was rigged for 4 years.
Russia, remember?
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Russian influence swayed some votes but there were no calls of fraud. Some people may have changed their vote when they bought into social media propaganda, but that vote was still their decision just like this past election that had Biden elected by a “LANDSLIDE!!!!” Lol!
 
Hüsker Dü said:
The economy that trump inherited had been on the way up for years. The failures from the top regarding COVID-19 was all his doing or more precisely not doing much. trumps complete lack of understanding concerning both issues is why he wasn’t re-elected. Control the virus and the economy would never hit to where we are now, a dip, but not this cavern. It’s ok a democrat is on the way to right the ship, once again, part of the team that did it last time.
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Coocoo
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Russian influence swayed some votes but there were no calls of fraud. Some people may have changed their vote when they bought into social media propaganda, but that vote was still their decision just like this past election that had Biden elected by a “LANDSLIDE!!!!” Lol!
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Lol! You ran off to the safe zone this time last year. You couldn't handle it. Pretty pathetic.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
The economy that trump inherited had been on the way up for years. The failures from the top regarding COVID-19 was all his doing or more precisely not doing much. trumps complete lack of understanding concerning both issues is why he wasn’t re-elected. Control the virus and the economy would never hit to where we are now, a dip, but not this cavern. It’s ok a democrat is on the way to right the ship, once again, part of the team that did it last time.
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If the democrats including Obama/Biden were doing such a great job, Trump would have never been elected in the first place. They weren't addressing working class problems. You can talk media narratives all you want, but the numbers don't lie.

Outsourced jobs, high unemployment figures, lies about addressing the southern border, lies about pulling troops out of the middle east, lies about being able to keep your doctor, lies about fair trade deals with China (NAFTA was horrific), lies that police officers were systemically evil, funding Iran 100+ billion dollars which gave rise to Hamas, Hezbollah and ISIS, never addressing North Korea.

If the democrats are the great fixers, why did they lose house seats in 2016 and 2020? Why did they lose the senate in 2015? Why didn't they capture the senate in 2020?

No one honestly likes democrats; they are horrible; the ONLY thing they have going for them is Obamacare, because people are stuck with it and scared that changing it will take away their healthcare. Trump lost by one of two reasons. 1. The media finally won their relentless smear campaign on him, or 2. There was systemic voter fraud.

Democrats certainly didn't win because people actually think they will help the country. No one truly believes that. They just hate Trump so badly, they rather drink the establishment poison. See, democrats don't need a pandemic to destroy the country.
 
nextgenathletics said:
If the democrats including Obama/Biden were doing such a great job, Trump would have never been elected in the first place. They weren't addressing working class problems. You can talk media narratives all you want, but the numbers don't lie.

Outsourced jobs, high unemployment figures, lies about addressing the southern border, lies about pulling troops out of the middle east, lies about being able to keep your doctor, lies about fair trade deals with China (NAFTA was horrific), lies that police officers were systemically evil, funding Iran 100+ billion dollars which gave rise to Hamas, Hezbollah and ISIS, never addressing North Korea.

If the democrats are the great fixers, why did they lose house seats in 2016 and 2020? Why did they lose the senate in 2015? Why didn't they capture the senate in 2020?

No one honestly likes democrats; they are horrible; the ONLY thing they have going for them is Obamacare, because people are stuck with it and scared that changing it will take away their healthcare. Trump lost by one of two reasons. 1. The media finally won their relentless smear campaign on him, or 2. There was systemic voter fraud.

Democrats certainly didn't win because people actually think they will help the country. No one truly believes that. They just hate Trump so badly, they rather drink the establishment poison. See, democrats don't need a pandemic to destroy the country.
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I couldn't have said it better myself. Bravo. Finally, someone with some sense on this board!!! I agree that unless you're in poverty or elderly (where extra healthcare is needed) I don't see any good ideas coming from democrats that Trump hasn't already done. Come on, get real with the pandemic. Could Biden have done any better? Not without shutting down the country. Let's not forget that Biden is the one who outed Trump for shutting down international travel when he did. It's sad that 230K people died but in reference, 60K people die each year from the flu and we never hear a peep out of anyone. The only reason 230K is so bad is because of the media. If Biden were president the media would have just whitewashed it as "he did the best he could do. It's just another flu season."
 
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