Why keep arguing, NO FALL SOCCER!

@Dominic , this is it bro. You can cancel all my other avatars. This is it, I promise. Plus, I paid my dues for this one and this avatar is my favorite. My heart was in a good place and i wanted to help everyone back then. I hear for you all and will here what you all have to say. Just ask away :)
 
thelonggame said:
This is a soccer forum. The nutjobs on this forum are desperate to have their kids play soccer because they have nothing to do and have completely lost touch with reality in every shape or form. No adult on this forum would have been driving hundreds of miles to play a game by their parent under these conditions in their childhoods. Their parents would've said go to the park and run around or take up another hobby. The idea that people are considering leaving the state to play soccer, much less move, is insanity. There's a global pandemic going on.
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my parents would have thrown us all in the same room if one of got it to get it over with. just like they did with other childhood diseases. LOL
 
Not_that_Serious said:
So one company hiring people is your proof? In real economic terms that data point would be plotted on it’s own - aka an “outlier”. My business deals in the construction business, deals with all types of trades, local governments, national accounts of big corps and educational institutions. You have absolutely zero idea of what you are talking about.

if you were to follow various market trends (we are not one giant market but one often affects the other) you would see a ton of bad markets. It would take pages for me to break them down and show what is going on - it’s not an overall positive situation.Given we are locked down, we are for the most part in CA, you get resources the best/fastest/safest/whatever way possible - for most it is online shopping. That is a forced condition, and won’t even get in to what will most likely occur next year. In the meantime stores, restaurants, gyms have closed - many are not going to reopen. I think many of us know people who have lost companies, lost their jobs, lost the ability to pay rent and even feed their families. I have posted about this previously in this topic.
The construction market has slowed down after being on absolute fire. Schools/institutions pushed jobs up while kids are at home - but nothing has taken up the holes in the construction timelines they are leaving behind. Tenant Improvements are on hold or even lost due to uncertainty and building being burnt/damaged/looted. The small businesses, who many just dismiss, make a big impact on construction as a whole. If small business is gone, they no longer need insurance, paying city taxes, paying payroll taxes, renting space, etc. Now the same goes for sports related markets - insurance for coaches, fields, maintenance, etc. Most people just look at the economy or shuts down superficially. Anything being closed, even partially is a BIG disruption to the economy - especially locally. A lot of people rely on things being open, such as schools - not everyone who works, or earns income through schools, has a guaranteed pay check
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Look at the chart of consumer spending that I posted. I used my situation as an example but the chart of spending is fact. We are down but not to the dramatic impact that certain news stations and obviously certain posters have presented. Please present the facts you are using to support the information you shared.

I am not saying there hasn't been a huge impact but to say, as many of you are saying as well as certain news media that our economy is tanking and it will be devastating in the coming months is fear mongering. I am saying, look at the facts not guesses and reliance on media.
 
oh canada said:
This is BS. School districts are getting ready to open in various formats, not laying off people. Teams are passing on AZ because they don't want to play in 110F heat for a weekend. Cactus Cup will not have quality teams participating, as usual. People have always fled CA, but there's a steady stream of folks that come and stay. Orange County will be in the better tier "red" next week with others to soon follow.
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I don't know if there will be layoffs but vacancies are not going to be filled and there will be early retirement offers for public school teachers. Parents are opting to send their children to private or charter schools rather than waiting to see when public schools will open. Reduced enrollment=less funding=reduced staff.
 
MSK357 said:
people are moving because of illogical restrictive policies. like having daycare in public classrooms while teachers are distance learning because its too dangerous to be in the classroom. People are leaving because theres talks of defunding the police while criminals are being let out of prison early due to covid. What is insane is that there are people that follow what they are told without questioning it. I say people that are blindly following illogical policies are nutjobs.
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Actually, people who think they know more than scientists and authorities who are 100% dedicated to these types of issues should be asking themselves why they believe they are entitled to such an opinion, more less act on it.
 
dad4 said:
It seems there is a definite trade-off between how many things you open
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Yeah there is a trade off.

AZ....5k deaths out of 7.5 million people. 5000/7500000= .000666. or in percentage terms 0.067% of the population.
If somehow we could be like Cal and have half the rate... we would be at .000333. or in percentage terms 0.033% of the population.
Statistically insignificant.

43-50% of our deaths in the US are people in nursing homes. People who go in and never come out alive.

You don't shut down the economy, keep kids out of schools, have people wipe out life savings, put people on unemployment, etc for the above kind of numbers. The long term damage is going to be tremendous financially, educationally, emotionally, etc.

We don't know if / when / how effective / how many people take / a given vaccine. I lay money we don't have any widespread vaccines available in the next 6 months. I am not going to live in limbo for another half year plus.

We need to move on and deal with it and move on and live our lives.

By the way, dropped the kids off at school today. Not many public schools in AZ have yet gone that route. Private and charters are.

Play soccer!
 
EOTL said:
Poor sad little guy.

Uh, literally a few posts up someone said that OC cases are down to the point that schools may reopen soon. Hopefully you and your doomsday “I’m gojng to do whatever I want” friends won’t f**k it up. What are you going to do to help get schools open? Continue throwing tantrums?
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Hey I seem to remember you saying that due to covid no way were Cal teams going to be playing NV and AZ teams. Too risky. They were not going to get in a car and stay in a hotel, etc.

I see over the past few weeks increasing numbers of Cal clubs coming out already, or scheduled to come out in the coming weeks.

What happened bro? A few days ago you posted that you have never been wrong on this forum before.
 
MSK357 said:
people are moving because of illogical restrictive policies. like having daycare in public classrooms while teachers are distance learning because its too dangerous to be in the classroom. People are leaving because theres talks of defunding the police while criminals are being let out of prison early due to covid. What is insane is that there are people that follow what they are told without questioning it. I say people that are blindly following illogical policies are nutjobs.
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Kick rocks homie and don’t let the door hit ya on the way out!
 
MacDre said:
I think my kid is officially a skater now! Half of the week, we go to Berkeley skate park and the other half we go to Benicia skate park.

I’ve watched Benicia Arsenal practice and I’m not sure what team is practicing in Berkeley but both practices look pathetic and not very beneficial.

This upcoming weekend, my kid and I are gonna do the 40 mile Mt. Diablo bike ride.
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I'm confused, Dre... didn't you say your kid was schooling & balling in Tijuana? And I don't see ANY kids practicing in a way that's very beneficial... other than getting in some cardio and touches... but that's a whole lot better than their faces being shoved into a screen. I just think it's silly to restrict them to drills when, truth be told, they gather 6" apart, with no masks, on every water break. But I'm no doctor.
 
Desert Hound said:
Yeah there is a trade off.

AZ....5k deaths out of 7.5 million people. 5000/7500000= .000666. or in percentage terms 0.067% of the population.
If somehow we could be like Cal and have half the rate... we would be at .000333. or in percentage terms 0.033% of the population.
Statistically insignificant.

43-50% of our deaths in the US are people in nursing homes. People who go in and never come out alive.

You don't shut down the economy, keep kids out of schools, have people wipe out life savings, put people on unemployment, etc for the above kind of numbers. The long term damage is going to be tremendous financially, educationally, emotionally, etc.

We don't know if / when / how effective / how many people take / a given vaccine. I lay money we don't have any widespread vaccines available in the next 6 months. I am not going to live in limbo for another half year plus.

We need to move on and deal with it and move on and live our lives.

By the way, dropped the kids off at school today. Not many public schools in AZ have yet gone that route. Private and charters are.

Play soccer!
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I don't think paying to play soccer is worth the risk especially with no testing protocols, no bubble, everybody having different priorities, etc. Now if you player was getting paid and there was some sort of protocol in place that might be different. Personally, I don't think that putting economics ahead of safety is worth it.

Maybe I am just naive because there has been no economic impact to me other than my wife doesn't go out of town at least once a month (which I like). I don't think risking the life of even one kid when it is preventable is worth it. Just my humble opinion. Sports are supposed to be fun not dangerous.

Good luck to all. Stay safe. Wear a mask. We will all make it through this together.
 
Keepermom2 said:
Correction....is 10% less than what it was in January as of August 16
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All because of the Stimulus money the government is providing and not to mention the vast number of people not paying their Mortgage or Rent.

Tell the Hospitality, Travel, Event Planning, Restaurant and tourism related industries who have been crushed by this that they are back in business. Tell all the furloughed people it’s ok.....Marriott extended their furlough thru March of 2021.
 
Soccerhelper is taking a stand. Soccer is very essential to everyday life for many. I stand for soccer being played in Cali now, under safe and healthy rules so all can play and all can support. How can I help?
 
thelonggame said:
Daddy, why are driving to Arizona again? Find a good answer that is not insane and based on your desire to live your life through you the experience of your kid.
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Actually we drive the other direction..to So Cal or NV. DD is usually in a team bus.

That said she cannot WAIT to hit the road with her friends. She loves hanging out on the bus, at the hotel, going out for lunch, dinner, etc with her friends. She loves playing the game. And when I pick her back up after she gets back, she is itching to do it again.

Far and away the vast majority of kids on her teams have felt this way.

It will be great memories for them as they are older and look back upon their youth.
 
Kicker4Life said:
All because of the Stimulus money the government is providing and not to mention the vast number of people not paying their Mortgage or Rent.

Tell the Hospitality, Travel, Event Planning, Restaurant and tourism related industries who have been crushed by this that they are back in business. Tell all the furloughed people it’s ok.....Marriott extended their furlough thru March of 2021.
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The government is NOT providing current stimulus money and stopped providing it July 25 in California.

Are people not taking vacations because of shut downs or because of fear? You can stay in any hotel you want right now. People are not vacationing because of fear of the illness not because they are prevented from doing it. That shows we are better off to decrease the spread so that people aren't fearful to travel and get their life back to normal.
 
MakeAPlay said:
Maybe I am just naive because there has been no economic impact to me other than my wife doesn't go out of town at least once a month (which I like). I don't think risking the life of even one kid when it is preventable is worth it. Just my humble opinion. Sports are supposed to be fun not dangerous.
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There lies the rub. To some, there is minimal, if any economic impact. To many, the impact is tragic, immediate with the future looking even worse.. Those that have children and are in the tragic and immediate category, pass that on to their kids.
 
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