Guidance are not for everyone

chiefs said:
No documented cases from any of the European soccer leagues or MLS or adult leagues or any sports. And don’t put out one off cases. It’s 6 months in and nothing that shows it transmits in a scrimmage.
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Fair point. Scrimmaging/games don't seem to transmit BUT the Tier 1 pro teams all had massive amounts of regular testing to eliminate cases upfront, and then very controlled environments subsequently to stay clean. If we had the same volume of testing available and rigorous post test protocols, likely could have the same results. BUT we don't, so apples to oranges comparison. BUT intuitively makes sense, so fingers crossed.
 
dad4 said:
My point is that, in a pandemic, my behavior affects your risk. And vice versa.

If the soccer game is a significant risk for spreading the virus, then it is a public health risk and should be illegal.

If the soccer game is not a risk for spreading the virus, then it is not a public health risk and should be legal.

But this is a scientific question, not a personal choice question. Personal choice has nothing to do with it. You want to smoke banana peels? Go for it. Your body. You want to hold a party? Wait for a vaccine. I dont want your party increasing my risk.
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That is too funny. When i was helping some teens get off drugs back in the day, one of them confessed to smoking banana peels and he said it did nothing to him except to say to himself, "I have a problem." This is so lame and you know it. I will say in March i thought Millions would die and I had some panic in me if I were to be truthful. 6 months later the results are in. Let the kids play some ball and let dad enjoy the last year of his dd life in peace. I feel bad for the class of 2020 and 2021. This wont be forgotten, that's for sure.
 
Kante said:
Fair point. Scrimmaging/games don't seem to transmit BUT the Tier 1 pro teams all had massive amounts of regular testing to eliminate cases upfront, and then very controlled environments subsequently to stay clean. If we had the same volume of testing available and rigorous post test protocols, likely could have the same results. BUT we don't, so apples to oranges comparison. BUT intuitively makes sense, so fingers crossed.
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Last night I watched two lacrosse teams with very young kids scrimmaging/practicing against each other. It very much reminded me of the bumblebee soccer when my kid was younger. At times it seems the entire two teams were within six feet of each other :).

If outdoor soccer does contribute to transmission of the virus, it's more likely to occur at the U-little level with the bumblebee style and the small fields than at the pro/college/HS levels.
 
A shout out to my sweet dd. She passed her Drivers test on the first try and the instructor told us, "best driver of the day hands down. A little on the offense side of things but very confident." So were going to go eat some grub and celebrate this evening at a killer outdoor restaurant on da beach. I'm so proud of her. She will from now on be taking herself to Great Park, hallelujah, PTL :). Plus, I dont have to risk catching the virus at GP anymore and giving it to others so it's a win win all around. I feel I'm ready for the next level of soccer parent.
 
chiefs said:
No documented cases from any of the European soccer leagues or MLS or adult leagues or any sports. And don’t put out one off cases. It’s 6 months in and nothing that shows it transmits in a scrimmage.
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That's not entirely true. MLS 2 had players/teams get shut down and multiple MLS teams were prevented from playing in Orlando because of infection.
 
Ellejustus said:
That is too funny. When i was helping some teens get off drugs back in the day, one of them confessed to smoking banana peels and he said it did nothing to him except to say to himself, "I have a problem." This is so lame and you know it. I will say in March i thought Millions would die and I had some panic in me if I were to be truthful. 6 months later the results are in. Let the kids play some ball and let dad enjoy the last year of his dd life in peace. I feel bad for the class of 2020 and 2021. This wont be forgotten, that's for sure.
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You thought "millions would die?" Where are you getting your information?
The prognostications were from 250,000-1.1 million if we blew it and that's exactly where we are going.
 
messy said:
You thought "millions would die?" Where are you getting your information?
The prognostications were from 250,000-1.1 million if we blew it and that's exactly where we are going.
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Gavin The Great said...

www.latimes.com

Is Newsom right? Could California see 25.5 million coronavirus cases in two months?

Gov. Gavin Newsom said that 25.5 million Californians could be infected with the novel coronavirus in the next two months. Experts questioned if those numbers were too high.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com
 
The Outlaw said:
Gavin The Great said...

www.latimes.com

Is Newsom right? Could California see 25.5 million coronavirus cases in two months?

Gov. Gavin Newsom said that 25.5 million Californians could be infected with the novel coronavirus in the next two months. Experts questioned if those numbers were too high.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com
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The numbers coming out of Cali is all over the place and are way higher then reported. Some health official resigned over it. Governor said the buck stops with him and he will get this all fixed. They are working on fixing the back log of all the positive case. Outlaw, you need to trust and just relax. Governor spoke today and he's working on a plan. I caught the last 5 minutes of his presser. Did he talk about youth sports?
 
Ellejustus said:
The numbers coming out of Cali is all over the place and the way higher then reported. Some health offical resigned over it. Governor said the buck stops with him and he will get this all fixed. They are working on fixing the back log of all the positive case. Outlaw, you need to trust and just relax. Governor spoke today and he's working on a plan. I caught the last 5 minutes of his presser. Did he talk about youth sports?
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Yeah... the "buck stops with him"... yet she's gone and he's still here. There's no reason to trust anyone on this stuff, Spicoli. We're 6 months into this and they still can't handle test results properly. I didn't hear him say anything about youth sports, your goat, SoCal Blues or ganas.
 
The Outlaw said:
Yeah... the "buck stops with him"... yet she's gone and he's still here. There's no reason to trust anyone on this stuff, Spicoli. We're 6 months into this and they still can't handle test results properly. I didn't hear him say anything about youth sports, your goat, SoCal Blues or ganas.
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Bummer. BTW, everyone is out balling today.
 
Ellejustus said:
Bummer. BTW, everyone is out balling today.
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Club Directors will need to make some big decisions if the October 1st moves again.

1. Do they scrap this year and start training for the following year (2021-2022 season).
2. Do coaches continue to charge fro the season or month to month.
3. Parents will need to decide if they walk away from the club agreements? I dont see how clubs can hold parents accountable given that we might not have a 2021 season.
4. Do parents begin to tryout with new teams?
5. Is ECNL still worth the value given that colleges will be losing significant revenue in the next year or two
6. Do kids select HS Soccer vs Club games in the spring (if we have a spring season)
 
Kicker4Life said:
What 10% is “ inaccurate”?
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Some gatherings are too important to cancel. Think hospitals.

Outdoor is lower risk. So the size limit on outdoor gathering should be higher than the size limit on indoor gathering, especially for shorter duration events.

But, overall, legality should depend on risk. Scrimmages should be legal because they are low risk, not because I can do whatever the hell I want.
 
SoccerFan4Life said:
Club Directors will need to make some big decisions if the October 1st moves again.

1. Do they scrap this year and start training for the following year (2021-2022 season).
2. Do coaches continue to charge fro the season or month to month.
3. Parents will need to decide if they walk away from the club agreements? I dont see how clubs can hold parents accountable given that we might not have a 2021 season.
4. Do parents begin to tryout with new teams?
5. Is ECNL still worth the value given that colleges will be losing significant revenue in the next year or two
6. Do kids select HS Soccer vs Club games in the spring (if we have a spring season)
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So much on the line these days. Right now, were doing privates and getting ready for HS Soccer and then the 2022 draft.....lol Hopefully a vaccine will be around by then.
 
dad4 said:
Some gatherings are too important to cancel. Think hospitals.

Outdoor is lower risk. So the size limit on outdoor gathering should be higher than the size limit on indoor gathering, especially for shorter duration events.

But, overall, legality should depend on risk. Scrimmages should be legal because they are low risk, not because I can do whatever the hell I want.
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I've read the CIF/ school guidance and soccer is classified as medium risk and has 3 phase. The first phase is distant training & considered lower risk, scrimmages phase 2 medium risk, games high risk.

Weather i agree or not with that is a personal opinion but those making the guidance are they ones we need to talk with if there will be any changes.
 
The Outlaw said:
I still don't understand why "scrimmage" and "games" are not the same category.
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It is like in AZ.

Right now I can go to my favorite bar and sit and have drinks and watch sports.

However one of my other favorite bars is closed.

The difference? One serves food.

So apparently sitting at the bar having a drink and talking to the bartender is safe as long as the place serves food. But sitting at a similar bar chatting with the bartender is unsafe and closed because they don't serve food.
 
SoccerFan4Life said:
Club Directors will need to make some big decisions if the October 1st moves again.

1. Do they scrap this year and start training for the following year (2021-2022 season).
2. Do coaches continue to charge fro the season or month to month.
3. Parents will need to decide if they walk away from the club agreements? I dont see how clubs can hold parents accountable given that we might not have a 2021 season.
4. Do parents begin to tryout with new teams?
5. Is ECNL still worth the value given that colleges will be losing significant revenue in the next year or two
6. Do kids select HS Soccer vs Club games in the spring (if we have a spring season)
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Won't scrap so #1 is not going to happen at the bigger to medium sized clubs. If nothing else continue to provide training which they need payments or funds for.

2. Yeah agree should be month to month

4. Tryout for what? If games are not being played what are kids trying out for?

5. Big question mark, the value of chasing scholarship funds by attending so many tournaments or getting in some league has diminished no doubt. How much ? TBA sholarships for incoming players will be impacted in different ways. Some will still hold the value of chasing those preferred admissions or sholarships opportunities high and others probably not so much anymore.

6. That's a big one also, going to be split and divided can't see anyway around that. The high school season is so packed with games in a short time frame that there just not much room to dual play both at the same time at a high level for most. If the scheduling people are smart they will adjust and put more club games in winter and much fewer in spring.
 
Desert Hound said:
It is like in AZ.

Right now I can go to my favorite bar and sit and have drinks and watch sports.

However one of my other favorite bars is closed.

The difference? One serves food.

So apparently sitting at the bar having a drink and talking to the bartender is safe as long as the place serves food. But sitting at a similar bar chatting with the bartender is unsafe and closed because they don't serve food.
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Or, the AZ govt allows several unsafe practices, and indoor dining is just one of them.

This is one reason why AZ has the second highest cases per capita in the nation.
 
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