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Lion Eyes said:
Where did I say "radical" changes?
Never did...Obama pushed the political pendulum as far left as he could.
If you think Obama doesn't have a left wing view of politics then you're blind.
Regarding color or what sex our President is...I could care less.
I'm talking about why Trump was elected...the pendulum swings back after eight years and Hillary.
This is what Michael Moore had to say about Hillary before the election:
The Hillary Problem. Can we speak honestly, just among ourselves? And before we do, let me state, I actually like Hillary – a lot – and I think she has been given a bad rap she doesn’t deserve. But her vote for the Iraq War made me promise her that I would never vote for her again. To date, I haven’t broken that promise. For the sake of preventing a proto-fascist from becoming our commander-in-chief, I’m breaking that promise. I sadly believe Clinton will find a way to get us in some kind of military action. She’s a hawk, to the right of Obama. But Trump’s psycho finger will be on The Button, and that is that. Done and done.

Let’s face it: Our biggest problem here isn’t Trump – it’s Hillary. She is hugely unpopular — nearly 70% of all voters think she is untrustworthy and dishonest. She represents the old way of politics, not really believing in anything other than what can get you elected. That’s why she fights against gays getting married one moment, and the next she’s officiating a gay marriage. Young women are among her biggest detractors, which has to hurt considering it’s the sacrifices and the battles that Hillary and other women of her generation endured so that this younger generation would never have to be told by the Barbara Bushes of the world that they should just shut up and go bake some cookies. But the kids don’t like her, and not a day goes by that a millennial doesn’t tell me they aren’t voting for her. No Democrat, and certainly no independent, is waking up on November 8th excited to run out and vote for Hillary the way they did the day Obama became president or when Bernie was on the primary ballot. The enthusiasm just isn’t there. And because this election is going to come down to just one thing — who drags the most people out of the house and gets them to the polls — Trump right now is in the catbird seat.
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I agree with you about Hillary.
But I have now asked both you and Joe, in response to your claims that presidential politics under O were "as far left as they've ever been," what policies did he implement that were so far left? It's impossible for any of you people to answer, because the only answer is that he was black. Remember, the first tea party protests (complete with guns!) were in early 2009, when Obama took office in late January.
 
messy said:
I agree with you about Hillary.
But I have now asked both you and Joe, in response to your claims that presidential politics under O were "as far left as they've ever been," what policies did he implement that were so far left? It's impossible for any of you people to answer, because the only answer is that he was black. Remember, the first tea party protests (complete with guns!) were in early 2009, when Obama took office in late January.
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Damn... that's a good argument. I'm interested in reading Lion's response.
 
Lion Eyes said:
People were able to pay for whatever plan they wanted, which was sufficient coverage for them.
Unlike yourself many folks prefer to decide what they want and need, they don't need the government coddling them from the cradle to the grave...
You really should the fuck up.


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At its peak in October 2010, unemployment in the US topped out at 10.0%. As of July 2019, that number has decreased and now stands at 3.7%.


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Idk... how much are we ringing up every year in debt? I mean, given the size of the debts we're running I can't help but wonder if we shouldn't be running closer to 1% unemployment? I mean you do still care about the deficit? Guess all I'm really saying is it's kind of funny how you raked Obama over the coals for deficit spending, and are posting charts and graphs to defend Trump.
 
messy said:
I agree with you about Hillary.
But I have now asked both you and Joe, in response to your claims that presidential politics under O were "as far left as they've ever been," what policies did he implement that were so far left? It's impossible for any of you people to answer, because the only answer is that he was black. Remember, the first tea party protests (complete with guns!) were in early 2009, when Obama took office in late January.
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Who was more left than Obama?
 
messy said:
I agree with you about Hillary.
But I have now asked both you and Joe, in response to your claims that presidential politics under O were "as far left as they've ever been," what policies did he implement that were so far left? It's impossible for any of you people to answer, because the only answer is that he was black. Remember, the first tea party protests (complete with guns!) were in early 2009, when Obama took office in late January.
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Funny, I thought of him as more white than black because he is.
 
messy said:
I agree with you about Hillary.
But I have now asked both you and Joe, in response to your claims that presidential politics under O were "as far left as they've ever been," what policies did he implement that were so far left? It's impossible for any of you people to answer, because the only answer is that he was black. Remember, the first tea party protests (complete with guns!) were in early 2009, when Obama took office in late January.
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Would you consider Obamacare left wing? How about abortion, gun control and those dreamers? Have you read any of his books?
What’s your deal dude?
 
Lion Eyes said:
People were able to pay for whatever plan they wanted, which was sufficient coverage for them.
Unlike yourself many folks prefer to decide what they want and need, they don't need the government coddling them from the cradle to the grave...
You really should the fuck up.


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At its peak in October 2010, unemployment in the US topped out at 10.0%. As of July 2019, that number has decreased and now stands at 3.7%.


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So you are contradicting yourself, like always.
 
Sheriff Joe said:
Those crazy racist nazi white hood wearing old folks that clean up after themselves post rallies?
Boo
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Messy and the old man, oh wait. The two old men really seem to be on edge latley. I think they are getting nervous about losing another election. And did you see Ratboys post about creepy uncle joe kicking booty... Doms gonna need to create a safe zone for these losers. Lolol!!!!
 
Multi Sport said:
Messy and the old man, oh wait. The two old men really seem to be on edge latley. I think they are getting nervous about losing another election. And did you see Ratboys post about creepy uncle joe kicking booty... Doms gonna need to create a safe zone for these losers. Lolol!!!!
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That would be terrific.
 
Sheriff Joe said:
Would you consider Obamacare left wing? How about abortion, gun control and those dreamers? Have you read any of his books?
What’s your deal dude?
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Still nothing?
Obamacare was not left wing at all. Great for insurance companies and drug companies. He was afraid to push single-payer, which would have been left-wing.
He didn’t affect abortion policy.
He did nothing to enhance federal gun control.
The Dream Act didn’t pass.
So I’m still waiting for you and Lion to tell me what he did that was so “left.”
Besides being black I mean, which made him a socialist as soon as he took office!
 
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