jojosoccer
SILVER ELITE
When I saw Dunn at NC she was the center back
She can play any position at the highest level.
She can play any position at the highest level.
USWNT
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Is Ellis leaving before or after the Cup?
MakeAPlay
DA
We will know that we are serious about winning win Crystal Dunn is playing forward and Morgan Brian is on the bench. Becky Sauerbrun is waaaay past her prime. Emily Fox is not a defender. Diani makes her look very poor.
MakeAPlay
DA
Before would be nice....
Agree
Is it the coach?
Or other national teams making HUGE strides to catch up?
Or “DEVELOPMENT “ in USSDA not working?
What is it?
The U17 World Cup a couple of months ago didn’t even have the US In the final 4 teams...is it the coach?
MakeAPlay
DA
It's US Soccer as an organization. They are not living up to their Core Mission Statement. They are about making money instead of "advancing soccer in the United States of America." The poor coaching at every level is just a symptom. Unfortunately the best coaches on the women's side are not coaching the national team they are coaching in college (a full time better paid gig with accountability and a prerequisite of winning).
Who are your top 5 college coaches who would be a good fit for the senior USWNT?
Zerodenero
GOLD
Beau and Jeff Bridges.Baker Boys.
lol
MakeAPlay
DA
Just off the top of my head:
Paul Ratcliffe
Steve Swanson
Amanda Cromwell
Mark Krikorian
Jerry Smith
I can definitely think of at least 3 or 4 more without really thinking very hard.
Kicknit22
GOLD
I may be wrong, but I think losing to France like that is much bigger than a simple loss. They dominated the entire match. No longer do we have the intimidation factor over them or psychological edge. If, and it’s a BIG IF, we meet up again in WC final, they will be confident as hell. Deservingly so. The argument of, “we didn’t have Heath, Rapinoe, Lavelle or Ertz out there”, doesn’t cut it IMO. Those 4 can’t make up for the fact that the rest got thier asses handed to them for 90+ minutes. That whole approach to the match was garbage. Not feeling too confident about our chances. She Believes Cup should be pretty telling.
US losing its domination has ZERO to do with youth development, unless the idea is that Youth going to college is development fail. While men going to college is a development fail, I'm not so sure about women.
It has been anticipated for some time that the US WNT will no longer dominate, and other countries such as, Japan/China and those in Europe will rise. Up until a few years ago, youth women soccer players had very little options after HS. In the US, they could continue to play in college and continue to develop. The vast majority of youth girls around the world stopped playing for lack of opportunities and in most countries there isn't such as thing as "University" Teams, like the US.
Europe now has no less than 16 women's leagues, compared to 2 in the US, in a comparable geographic region. These leagues are mostly subsidized by the much more successful men's leagues/teams compared to their US counterparts. The European's pay much better and the women players often train next to the professional men's teams.
See, https://nypost.com/2017/04/15/why-are-womens-soccer-superstars-fleeing-the-us/
If you read the article, there is a big "OHHH, $HIIII...," did Ellis really do that?
"US coach Jill Ellis had Horan, 22, on her radar despite the distance, but leveraged her to return home with the promise of having a better shot of making the 2016 Summer Olympic roster. Horan earned a spot in Rio as a reserve and looks to be a national team anchor for years to come — without forgetting the path that led her there: training like a full-time professional and learning from the tactical soccer minds in Europe"
So basically, our idiot National Team Coach blackmailed Horan to leave a superior development program in Europe to train/play with the lesser quality NWSL and its role players.
We as a Nation AND members on this forum need to pull our collective heads out of our asses and realize the development of soccer players is a continuum. Whether its men or women, the realities are the same. They start playing Rec, the better players are pulled to Club, and the best goes to some sort of Elite competitive program (in the US, in Europe they join a fully-funded professional academy at 13). In the U.S. they go to college where due to NCAA practice and playing rules their development is stunted. The truly talented players skip college altogether and start their professional careers at 17/18/19.
We don't have a youth development problem, we have a professional player development problem. Europe has finally caught up and spending millions to subsidize the women. Moreover, the soccer/football/futbol culture in Europe means the men's programs have the money to spend, in the US it's a much bleaker situation and one that won't change until the MLS structurally changes.
It has been anticipated for some time that the US WNT will no longer dominate, and other countries such as, Japan/China and those in Europe will rise. Up until a few years ago, youth women soccer players had very little options after HS. In the US, they could continue to play in college and continue to develop. The vast majority of youth girls around the world stopped playing for lack of opportunities and in most countries there isn't such as thing as "University" Teams, like the US.
Europe now has no less than 16 women's leagues, compared to 2 in the US, in a comparable geographic region. These leagues are mostly subsidized by the much more successful men's leagues/teams compared to their US counterparts. The European's pay much better and the women players often train next to the professional men's teams.
See, https://nypost.com/2017/04/15/why-are-womens-soccer-superstars-fleeing-the-us/
If you read the article, there is a big "OHHH, $HIIII...," did Ellis really do that?
"US coach Jill Ellis had Horan, 22, on her radar despite the distance, but leveraged her to return home with the promise of having a better shot of making the 2016 Summer Olympic roster. Horan earned a spot in Rio as a reserve and looks to be a national team anchor for years to come — without forgetting the path that led her there: training like a full-time professional and learning from the tactical soccer minds in Europe"
We as a Nation AND members on this forum need to pull our collective heads out of our asses and realize the development of soccer players is a continuum. Whether its men or women, the realities are the same. They start playing Rec, the better players are pulled to Club, and the best goes to some sort of Elite competitive program (in the US, in Europe they join a fully-funded professional academy at 13). In the U.S. they go to college where due to NCAA practice and playing rules their development is stunted. The truly talented players skip college altogether and start their professional careers at 17/18/19.
We don't have a youth development problem, we have a professional player development problem. Europe has finally caught up and spending millions to subsidize the women. Moreover, the soccer/football/futbol culture in Europe means the men's programs have the money to spend, in the US it's a much bleaker situation and one that won't change until the MLS structurally changes.
Why college coaches (particularly women)? Shouldn't the pool be much larger? We should look for the best coach, regardless of whether they currently coach men or women.
End of the Line
SILVER ELITE
The WNT lost its first game in almost two years, which is unacceptable. The WNT hasn't gotten smoked by France in a friendly leading up to the WWC since, well, the last WWC, and we all know how horribly that went.
In response to this affront, we should change all of the NCAA rules that currently stunt the professional soccer growth of student athletes by instead stunting their academic growth. In fact, we should encourage more players to skip college completely and go straight pro because the vast sums of money available for women's players. Living in the basement of a creepy Sky Blue fan rent free and making $15,000 a year is certainly a better idea than getting a college degree for most college women. Or just go to Europe right out of HS. It worked for one person, so it must be a good career choice for most.
We must also restructure our entire youth system. 10 years of top down control of the boys' side has worked wonders for them, so we should do more of that for the girls. In fact, USSF should pour tons of time and money into making every child in America play soccer exactly how a handful of people in Chicago believe it should be played, especially when they hire the "right people" to ensure that every coach in America is coaching the one "right way".
We should also fire Ellis immediately. Winning the last WWC in a blow out and going 18-0-2 in 2018 is not good enough. She must beat every team, every time, even with C team players. In contrast, Pia Sundage surely would have still beaten Japan in the 2011 WWC finals even if she hadn't played four of her best players and even if she gave a collegiate midfielder her first cap against a top 20 team playing out of position at outside back. Sundage must be rehired so she can resurrect her strategy of trying to win games solely by bouncing long balls off Wambach's head.
I have an idea. Relax. If the WNT doesn't win the WC, it will be the same result as most of the WCs they've played in. The WNT has been the most consistently good over time and that is going to continue indefinitely, but you're delusional if you think they're worse relative to the rest of the world than they've ever been. The world isn't passing the WNT by. There have always been countries able to challenge and beat the WNT and, go figure, there still are. Right now it is France.
In response to this affront, we should change all of the NCAA rules that currently stunt the professional soccer growth of student athletes by instead stunting their academic growth. In fact, we should encourage more players to skip college completely and go straight pro because the vast sums of money available for women's players. Living in the basement of a creepy Sky Blue fan rent free and making $15,000 a year is certainly a better idea than getting a college degree for most college women. Or just go to Europe right out of HS. It worked for one person, so it must be a good career choice for most.
We must also restructure our entire youth system. 10 years of top down control of the boys' side has worked wonders for them, so we should do more of that for the girls. In fact, USSF should pour tons of time and money into making every child in America play soccer exactly how a handful of people in Chicago believe it should be played, especially when they hire the "right people" to ensure that every coach in America is coaching the one "right way".
We should also fire Ellis immediately. Winning the last WWC in a blow out and going 18-0-2 in 2018 is not good enough. She must beat every team, every time, even with C team players. In contrast, Pia Sundage surely would have still beaten Japan in the 2011 WWC finals even if she hadn't played four of her best players and even if she gave a collegiate midfielder her first cap against a top 20 team playing out of position at outside back. Sundage must be rehired so she can resurrect her strategy of trying to win games solely by bouncing long balls off Wambach's head.
I have an idea. Relax. If the WNT doesn't win the WC, it will be the same result as most of the WCs they've played in. The WNT has been the most consistently good over time and that is going to continue indefinitely, but you're delusional if you think they're worse relative to the rest of the world than they've ever been. The world isn't passing the WNT by. There have always been countries able to challenge and beat the WNT and, go figure, there still are. Right now it is France.
If you look at the statement from the poster whom my question was addressed you can see why I asked it. But, yes I’d think they would do a broader search.
France goal 1 -- US defender fell down right in front of the goal
France goal 2 -- incredible shot
France goal 3 -- US GK out of position (I used to tell my sometimes-GK son that facing a breakaway he had to pick one of 2 choices - go for the ball or guard the line - but don't get caught halfway)
That is not what we are likely to do. If US Soccer brings in a male coach for the USWNT, its going to get screamed at for bias and sexism. US Soccer will hire females at the GM and Coach level, with possibly some male assists mixed in for the WNT. Whether the coach can pee standing up or not really won't make much of a difference because the USWNT players have to be better. Based on what France did to us, the GM and Coach are the least of our problems.