State Cup

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  1. Panenka

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    State Cup starts this weekend good luck to all participating teams. If you are in galway downs parking can be hectic
    Manage time well.
     
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    Thanks, Good luck to you as well. I have never been there but heard the fields were nice, how are the field sizes- we have seen so many variations this year. Wondering how the wind is going to be, Sanata Ana's near us. Any recommendations for local places to go between games.
     
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    Field sizes are one of the best I've seen
    They are not tiny so Teams don't get bunched up. They are pretty wide parking is $8-10 per day alot of dirt. There are plenty places to eat within a 7-10 minute drive . Not sure about wind .
     
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    State cup rules question... I read the rules but am clarifying.. a player got 2 yellow cards this weekend. Rules say 2 yellows is a one game suspension. Is that 2 yellow in a game or combined all games? The rules state this:


    9.2.1.3. Second Caution Offense

    9.2.1.3.1. Second yellow card after a previous yellow card. All age groups: Suspend for a minimum of one (1) game.
     
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    Also, do they add them? I notice they are not called out on the master schedule.
     
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    Field sizes were a joke. Far, far too big. Way outside the standards.

    It's not the responsibility of the field dimensions to keep your kids from bunching up.
     
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    It is also not the responsibility of the field dimensions if the players are getting winded that's a conditioning concern. If you want to play futsal enter a futsal tournament. They're not that far from playing on a regulation size field.
     
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    You're not getting it. The fields were too big. They were much larger than the standards established by the federation. That has nothing to do with futsal.

    Congrats on the conditioning, though. Americans are always tops in that category.
     
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    TFA Academy is not complaining about the size of the field....
     
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    You could put that team on a postage stamp, or an aircraft carrier deck and it wouldn't matter. What the hell does that have to do with the fields being too big? And, assuming you're with that group, how many threads do you reply to daily just to point out that "TFA Academy is not complaining about ______." Must be exhausting.

    Look. Not sure why you're all getting so bent. Those fields were massive. They were massive if your kids did great, and massive if they did poorly.
     
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    That is two yellow cards in one game.
     
  12. Legit_play

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    I just felt like the fields allowed the players to gather more information concerning the match that they were in. For instance, the back line had opportunities to take a look and collect options on how to turn the ball up field vs just kicking it out, they had to control the gaps or open areas while the attacking team was in transition or find/use the stretch pass/seam pass when it was available rather than rush a bad decision and get screamed at by the sideline or coach. The attacking side had room to open up and allowed the middle to control action as it should and connect wall passes while setting up scoring opportunities. I just felt like it was able to better expose elements to a team that has been searching for what they need to work on to better prepare themselves for when they do go to regulation size fields or their next match or opponents. As far as conditioning, one can somewhat counter that by forcing the other team to chase the ball, good coaching, knowledge of the game and recognizing multiple options with proper execution can do this but, of course you have to throw in that AMERICAN thing.
     
  13. Bubbles

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    The funny thing is that TFA should be the most bothered by the large fields, assuming they're interested in long term development and not trophies. I caught a glimpse of the second half of one of your games this weekend, it was beautiful to watch your guys stroking the ball around the field. I have to question how much your guys learned from that exercise though, they would have been much better off being forced to work in tight spaces. They'd be challenged more and I have no doubt they could handle that.

    I'm not even certain that the large field favors you guys. Not very many teams can unlock a packed defense like yours, so a small field plays to that advantage. Plus, it takes away your opponents ability to hoof up a pass to the big/fast kid in space behind the defenders. Tell me if I'm wrong, but I'd guess that most of your goals allowed are quick counterattacks through space.

    Your point about defenders learning to control gaps and open areas is interesting, but the reality is that the fast kids will rely on their speed and the slow kids will end up looking bad.

    But the larger point is that as a soccer culture, we should be working on intelligent attacking play. It's far more difficult to learn that, it's much easier to learn defense. Watch the USMNT and they're totally bereft of ideas going forward. For generations, the US has relied on speed, stamina and athleticism (the qualities rewarded on a large field), and we've actually gone backward in the past 15 years as countries like Spain and Germany have amplified the principles of possession soccer.

    If your sideline or coach is screaming at your kids about rushed bad decisions, that's an entirely separate issue from the field size and should be addressed. If your coach is calmer on big fields, that's not a good sign.
     
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    Were they bigger than 90x60? I wonder why Cal South would permit that?

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    No, they were within regualtaions.
     
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    Bubbles, post: 42751, member: 1471"]The funny thing is that TFA should be the most bothered by the large fields, assuming they're interested in long term development and not trophies. I caught a glimpse of the second half of one of your games this weekend, it was beautiful to watch your guys stroking the ball around the field. I have to question how much your guys learned from that exercise though, they would have been much better off being forced to work in tight spaces. They'd be challenged more and I have no doubt they could handle that.

    I'm not even certain that the large field favors you guys. Not very many teams can unlock a packed defense like yours, so a small field plays to that advantage. Plus, it takes away your opponents ability to hoof up a pass to the big/fast kid in space behind the defenders. Tell me if I'm wrong, but I'd guess that most of your goals allowed are quick counterattacks through space.

    Your point about defenders learning to control gaps and open areas is interesting, but the reality is that the fast kids will rely on their speed and the slow kids will end up looking bad.

    But the larger point is that as a soccer culture, we should be working on intelligent attacking play. It's far more difficult to learn that, it's much easier to learn defense. Watch the USMNT and they're totally bereft of ideas going forward. For generations, the US has relied on speed, stamina and athleticism (the qualities rewarded on a large field), and we've actually gone backward in the past 15 years as countries like Spain and Germany have amplified the principles of possession soccer.

    If your sideline or coach is screaming at your kids about rushed bad decisions, that's an entirely separate issue from the field size and should be addressed. If your coach is calmer on big fields, that's not a good sign.[/QUOTE]
    Bubbles, we are fortunate not to have to deal with sidelines or coaches who are dramatically over emotional. Sure, we have our moments but, not as many as some that I have seen or witnessed. All things being said, we need to bring things down to perspective frequently considering that we are talking about 10 yr olds. You're absolutely correct with the attacking theory. Our son who played in college in the Midwest was certainly shocked to have to learn a low press style of defense and it was thee most boring soccer I've had to endure in my life. Speaking with my son about this, it seems that it is the style they teach and play in that region. Luckily he was 1 of 4 players who grew up in California and were able convince the coach to play a some what open attack style for a few games during league play which, by the way, they won and when the league tournament came around the coach went back to what was comfortable to him and they lost in the semifinals.
     
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    Actually our GA's are majority free kicks and corners, more high percentage opportunity ones.
     
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    Come to think of it, there did seem to be more penalties called this weekend, often as defenders struggled to catch up to kids speeding through on goal. with more ground to cover, makes sense that defenders would be diving in more.
     
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    any other teams look good.. any upsets.. any team not pass to the 2nd round
    that should have? I was on the far fields and it was mostly the girls, only 2 fields for boys so I didn't
    get to see any of the games
     
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    Field size was fine for our boys in Temecula. Really didn't get a chance to see any games .
     

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