State colleges and athletic scholarships

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  1. Vin

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    Is there any obligation for a state college to provide an athletic or for that matter an academic scholarship to an America vs international student?



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    Do you know the difference between "state colleges" and Division II?
     
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    No.
     
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    does it matter if they're an international or domestic student if NCAA coach's job is to win?
     
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    The chart you posted shows total athletes not athletes on scholarship. Many international students come from wealthy families and will pay their own way if they can come to the United States to go to school. If a coach can get a quality player willing to pay tuition that is a great deal for the program.

    The same is true for just regular students as most foreign students pay full tuition, so schools love to have them on campus.
     
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    1. To answer your question, No, there is no obligation unless specifically stated in that schools by-laws or policy. There is not a mandated federal law saying pick internationals first.
    2. As stated your chart doesn’t coincide with your question. For clarity: There are STATE colleges and there are PRIVATE colleges. The difference is in who owns (and thus leads) them and then who funds them. Private colleges don’t receive state/ tax payer funding.
    3. There are divisions within the NCAA, one of the governing bodies for collegiate athletics. The highest NCAA division is 1 and goes down to 3. It is roughly based on size but many many other contributing factors. There is another smaller governing body, the NAIA. The NCAA has around 130,000 schools in 3 divisions compared to 300 in the NAIA.
     
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    For clarification, nearly all private colleges (often through their students) get some sort of federal funding. Hence why they must comply with certain provisions of the education act (Title IX).

    Only a few accept no money from any government program, and that is often a matter of principle and independence for them.
     
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    The true answer is private colleges receive very little federal or state money. In fact, religiously affiliated colleges usually receive none as it is a direct conflict of interest (church and state). Private schools rely on tuition, donors, and market investment.
     
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    That's not the "true answer".
     
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    I guess this is “their truth.”

    When tuition comes from federal grants, loans, or loans later packaged and sold backed by govt guarantees (in the past), that money is indeed coming from the government. When those loans are later forgiven or not repaid...

    Not my truth, the truth.
     
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    Speaking directly in the form of appropriations that every state/community colleges receives from their respective states. Of course if a student gets a state (pell) grant then yes the money comes indirectly from the state. Not looking for a pissing match just stating that privates are not typically a direct line to state/federal funding.
     
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    Not even looking hard --

    https://news.nd.edu/news/notre-dame-research-funding-reaches-record-breaking-levels/
     
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    It's not just the "wealthy families". Some smaller countries see paying for one of their citizen's college education in USA as a good investment. Some college coaches with which I have spoken know this and build at least part of their recruiting effort looking for foreign student-athletes whose governments will pay all or part of the student's expenses.
     
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    It's not about the money that private schools directly receive. It's about how students at private schools pay for tuition. Students at private schools pay loans that are subsidized through the federal government. If students at private schools lost access to those loans that pay private school tuition, private schools would collapse. The same is the case for state public schools. That's why they all have to comply with Title IX.
     
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