SCDSL - change to playoffs format

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  1. Soccer

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    Maybe because some teams/ clubs do not have access to ref's. Then the league could help with that. But if you have that access then I guess you wouldn't need to contact the league.
     
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    Access to fields and referee crews. Many scrimmages are just 1 referee, but by letting MR know you want to scrimmage, she can set it up for you and work with the referee assignors.
     
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    I never considered that people were referencing sandbagging.
     
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    Really....If DA got it right, then you are a little off about how many games there should be in a season...DA goes from Sept.-May playing almost 30 games, although they only play one game a weekend they are ALWAYS playing, almost year around. Practice is important, but if you're not getting game time, you'll never know what you need to work on.... or if what your're working on is actually improving. Not sure how playing 10 games in 3 months is playing too much??? Your kid must not play baseball!!!!

    Think about what playing in games brings...Would you be alright with your kid sitting on the bench even though they're getting great training sessions? Kids have to play, that's a big part of development...the old argument, should your kid sit on the bench at the varsity level or be a star and never come out on JV...what will make them better? Not an easy answer
    What I've learned over the years is playing games is just as important as practice...they're symbiotic of each other, you need them both, just having MORE practice doesn't make for a better player
    You're also wrong about other countries....they are playing games everyday, out on the streets, while we are sitting on the pitch getting our practice on....how's that working out for us????

    10 games is weak and its going to cause problems in the DEVELOPMENTAL league
     
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    Sorry to disappoint you, but you are wrong on almost everything you just mentioned (except playing time)

    1. DA playing 30 games in 10 month period is NOT a lot of games. Training 3-4 days a week is a lot of training, certainly a lot more than games.
    2. You are absolutely correct about playing time. If your kid is sitting on the bench, move him to a team where he will get at least 75% of the game time.
    Having said that, training is also important. In a perfect world, it would be great for a kid to practice with Varsity but play on JV (referring to your HS example).
    3. More practice is ABSOLUTELY will make you a better player.
    4. You live in a dream world if you think that other countries (I'm not talking about 3rd world countries) don't have same issues as we do. Kids no longer is playing on streets like they did 20 years ago - they have all the same gadgets our kids have.
    5. My kid NEVER played baseball and never will.
     
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    After watching the World Series last night I think I'm going to take my son to pitching lessons. The Dodgers could use a good pitcher..
     
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    DA does'nt play games in December or June so pretty much they play a game every weekend for 8 months...scdsl 10 games in 3 months...seems like they are playing the same amount of games??

    not sure what level you played or coached, but I've seen plenty of players that have gotten worse because of practice and the coaching they have...but since in your world every player gets better because they practice, you must have played at a very high level...seriously though, you must be living in a dream world if you think that more time practicing is going to make you better...or maybe it can, if you have the right coach, if your working on the right technical and tactical skills, if your kid wants to be there, if the kids they are playing with want to be there, if the kids they are playing with are any good because practicing with bad players can actually make you worse...so maybe, maybe practice can absolutely make you better, but it can absolutely make you worse too if any of the above are true!!!

    you've got to admit though, that was a pretty exciting baseball game last night!!!
     
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    This is very confusing. It appears 21 Europa teams would qualify for the playoffs under this formula, but there are only 18 B2003 Europa teams.
     
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    DA do play games in December and in June. Check out their Events tab.
    Player, who wants to play, don't need a coach or a trainer, specially in days of internet and YouTube. Good coaching is important but in the end of the day your kid have to want this. If your kid doesn't want it, it wouldn't matter how good the coach is.
    I don't know any kids that got worse with training, in any sport or at anything in life.
    It was a great game last night - can't argue with that!
     
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    Since you guys are having this two way side bar, just to interject before I get to the thread subject.

    Between my personal experience growing up playing sports, and coaching kids for period of time (both soccer and baseball), and seeing my kid go on to play at college, after DA, while I agree that more practice will make a player with "potential to become" a better player, not always the case. And there is the question of how much more practice, if one is already practicing 4~5 days/week....

    The true definition of a better player in sports context has to be the performance when it counts - in the games, and not during practices. I have seen so many players that practices great and improve, yet cannot perform in their games. Clearly psychological issue and not physical. And there are gamers that just play great on the game days but practices like crap and skip many of them. Of course one can argue how much better they can be if they practiced more but for many, it will take the fun away and burnout as a consequence. This problem happens regardless of the sports, not just soccer.

    Its too bad that your kid never played or will play baseball....Life is about experiences. My kids played travel ball while doing club soccer up until U13. I recall some great baseball tournaments, including a huge one at the Cooperstown Dreams Park in NY, where the Baseball Hall of Fame is located.....
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    OK, now onto the SCDSL Play Offs. Why can't the league put up the ladder placeholder for each age group like National Cup? It doesn't have to have team names but just the qualification for the slot.

    Given that the B2003 example doesn't work for other age groups because each age group has different amount of teams and regions. Its silly to not publish it when its this close. The website now says the coaches and managers have had the format emailed to them rather than to do the basic function of league organizer and keep the participants informed, they pass the buck to the coaches and managers so we get inconsistent info from team to team.
     
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    They miss CSL
     
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  12. Toch

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    If you live in the OC & are bronze or silver you will not travel to Apple valley or Lancaster.. stop trying to lie. Just like anywhere else the higher you go the further you have to travel. If you are lucky to get accepted into National League you will have to travel to North Carolina or Florida. Are you discouraging teams from SoCal to join National League. Or for that matter don’t sign up for National Cup. You may have to go to Lancaster to play a bronze /Flight3 team. God forbid you win Nat Cup. You will have to travel to another state. Oh the insanity
     
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    Some Bronze and Silver teams traveled to Apple Valley and Lancaster this past weekend for League Cup games.
     
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    This is what is on the SCDSL site now...somebody wasn't looking at the calendar correctly....

    One more weekend to go! All formats for the playoffs have been sent to Managers and Coaches.

    Playoff Schedules will be released by midnight 10/7. Games will start 10/11
     
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    League cup is optional, not part of league.
    Just like state cup is optional. If you are a San Diego team and you have to drive to moorpark to play a bronze team is part of the elimination format.
     
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    Why would I lie? Just check you facts first. I know few bronze and silver level teams that travel to Apple Valley, Lancaster, Palm Springs and other far destinations from OC to play League and League Cup games.
     
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    Exactly! Why would you lie? Only time I’ve seen a Bronze team travel from OC to Lancaster is when the coach requested to be in a different bracket than what would have normally corresponded to them in LEAGUE. For league cup it’s the luck of the draw. If that’s too much traveling for you, don’t sign up for league cup. Play AYSO, MX league or local futsal. Pray you don’t make it to premier
     
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    Today's email..... 1 of 2


    This is A LONG EMAIL and it needs to be read in its entirety AND printed by each team contact. This will also be posted on the SCDSL website under RESOURCE CENTER.

    2017 SCDSL Playoff Rules & Regulations-

    ALL TEAMS PLAYING GAMES ON NOVEMBER 4TH AND/OR 5TH - ALL SCORES MUST BE POSTED BY 10PM ON SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 5TH. WE CAN NOT BEGIN THE PLAYOFF SCHEDULE AND BRACKETING UNTIL ALL SCORES ARE POSTED. IF YOU ARE THE HOME TEAM YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR POSTING THE SCORE WIN OR LOSE.

    The following portion of the email applies to teams that have qualified in to playoffs:

    Every birth year involved in the playoffs has received an email with the playoff format for that birth year involving all flights. This email will have contained all of the information and the break down on each playoff division and what teams comprise each division. Playoff formats CAN change (if mistakes were made on the original email sent) but the goal is to follow the formats that were emailed to the teams.

    In the case where tie-breakers are needed to determine who advances in each division the following will apply:

    TIE BREAKER for GROUP STANDINGS:

    Tie breakers would apply for the following:

    Any teams tied in a “bubble” position for a playoff berth.

    If there are more teams tied in a geographical group where fewer teams advance, then the tie breaker rules would apply to all teams that are tied to determine which teams advance.

    TIE BREAKERS for ALL FLIGHTS when determining advancing teams:

    When two-teams are tied then total points earned in head-to-head games against each other will determine the winner. If more than two-teams are tied, this tie breaker does not apply. If total points does not determine the winner then:

    • Head to Head (from same geographical group)
    • Best Goal Differential
    • Highest Goals For
    • Fewest Goals Against
    • Coin Toss
    "Next Best" ARE DETERMINED BY THE HIGHEST PTS/GP (the second column on the standings page) when part of the divisional playoff format and can come from any geographical division within said Flight.

    Determining "Next Best" teams when teams are tied on PPG (Points Per Game) between geographical groups:

    When ties exist, based on PPG on teams advancing from different geographical groups and there is no head-to-head to break the tie, the following tie breakers will be used to determine which team advances as a Wild Card:

    • Best Goal Differential
    • Highest Goals For
    • Fewest Goals Against
    • Coin Toss
    ROSTERS:

    Each team qualifying for playoffs must have a minimum of 11 players from their regular season roster carried over and participating in the SCDSL playoffs. Full teams may not be substituted in place of a qualifying team.

    ROSTER SIZE LIMITS:

    2003 and 2004 teams can roster up to 18 players and 18 players are allowed to participate in each game.

    2002 and older birth years can roster up to 22 players but only 18 players are allowed to participate in each game. Each player OVER the allowed 18 players per game that are NOT participating in game MUST be crossed off of the Game Report and cannot be in uniform for the game in which they are not participating. To be clear, any player that is on your roster and NOT playing MUST BE CROSSED OFF OF THE GAME REPORT.

    UPDATING ROSTERS:

    IMPORTANT – To update your rosters in order to comply with the roster requirements in the Playoff rules FOLLOW THESE INSTRUCTIONS: You will NOT be able to update rosters until playoff schedules are posted. I will send an email with instructions. Do NOT ignore the email or it could effect your players participation in playoffs.

    You will need to wait until PLAYOFF BRACKETS ARE POSTED which should be by Tuesday, November 7th but an email will go out when brackets are posted. The Roster Freeze Date is Thursday, November 9th at 9pm PST so you will have a short amount of time to meet the roster requirements so you will need to work fast to comply with the playoff rules. We do not have a lot of time between the end of the season and the beginning of playoffs so time is critical during this week.

    I will send an email WHEN SCHEDULES ARE POSTED. After that, Go to www.scdslsoccer.com > Schedules > 2017 Playoff Schedule > Find your birth year/flight/playoff division. Click on BRACKET. FIND your team and CLICK on it. Click on TEAM LOGIN in the upper right corner and log in using your regular email and PIN# to login.

    NOTE: DO NOT UPDATE YOUR ROSTER the way you normally do for the fall season. THIS WILL NOT POPULATE in to the playoff roster. YOU MUST FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS ABOVE in order to be in compliance with the playoff requirements. I will send an email on how to do this once the schedules are posted.

    CLUB PASSING PLAYERS for PLAYOFFS:

    Each player may only play for ONE TEAM in the playoffs. This includes GoalKeepers. GK's can NOT play for 2 teams in the playoffs. Players may NOT club pass between teams for playoffs. Rosters will be submitted at check-in on the first date you begin your playoffs. ALL players that will participate on your team for playoffs must be entered in the system prior to the roster freeze date of 9:00pm PST on Thursday, November 8th. Players may NOT be added to rosters after this roster freeze date. Players will not be allowed to be hand written on any Game Report. NO exceptions will apply.

    Jersey numbers MUST be listed next to each player. Jersey numbers may NOT be written in on the roster or Game Reports. EVERY PLAYER MUST HAVE A JERSEY NUMBER LISTED IN THE SYSTEM (no exceptions).

    All players must have their Cal South Player ID # on the roster and Game Reports. NO Exceptions!

    Rosters will be printed by the SCDSL and compared to the roster submitted at check-in. The SCDSL roster will be the roster of record as any discrepancies will be because roster changes were made after the roster freeze deadline of Thursday, November 8th at 9pm PST.

    Players cannot play for one team until that team is eliminated and then jump to another team regardless of the age group/flight. They are frozen to one team for the duration of playoffs.

    Players must be registered to the CLUB of the participating team. No guest players from other clubs are allowed. No guest players from affiliate clubs are allowed.

    All players, coaches and managers must have valid Cal South ID cards for the 2016-17 season for the club they are playing/coaching/managing for.

    RED CARD CARRYOVER:

    For any player that incurred a red card/suspension towards the end of the regular league season, suspensions will carry over to playoffs until they have been served to completion. If you have any questions about player eligibility, please email Nancy Wagner at nancy@scdslsoccer.com PRIOR to the start of playoffs.

     
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    2 of 2....

    COACH SEND OFF CARRYOVER:

    For any coach that was sent off towards the end of the regular season, suspensions will carry over to playoffs until they have been served to completion.

    CHECK-IN:

    Check-in will be at the Silverlakes tent next to the large white tents in the middle of the SilverLakes Complex. Teams that will play at Rancho Mission Viejo will have separate check-in instructions sent to them.

    Only the team manager needs to come to check-in.

    Check-in will be 1–hour before the start of your first game.

    You must present your SCDSL roster from your Team Page along with your laminated Cal South player cards for each player participating on your team. SCDSL staff will check in your team and keep your roster. This roster must have every player (within the roster limits) listed that will participate on your team in playoffs and must include their jersey number and Cal South Player ID number. NO HANDWRITTEN PLAYERS WILL BE ELIGIBLE NO MATTER WHAT THE REASON.

    Information on printing Game Reports will be provided, via email, prior to the start of playoffs.

    PLAY OFF STRUCTURE:

    In order to keep games on time, there will be no coin toss prior to the start of the game to determine kick-off.

    Home team will kick-off. Away team chooses first-half direction.

    Home team will wear light or white jersey/socks/shorts. Visiting team will wear dark jersey/socks/shorts. In case of a color conflict, home team will change colors. Players should always bring BOTH jersey colors to every game.

    Home team will be listed first on the schedule.

    SCDSL playoffs are single-elimination.

    Each team will play 1-game per day (unless rain forces schedules to be modified and 2-games per day may have to be played to get all games played by Sunday, November 19, 2017.

    Games will be full-length, regulation games with a 10-minute half-time. There is a very short amount of time between games so please clear off the field quickly so that games do not run late. Post-game team talks must be held away from the field (not on the field or on the bench) so that the next teams may move in and games can begin on time. All games must be played prior to darkness. Games will be played on a running clock with no stoppage for injury without approval from league representative on site.

    Team benches will be provided for each team. Teams may bring their own team tent if they choose to do so. Tents will not be provided by the league or the venue.

    Each team pays ½ of the established referee fees, which are the same as regular league games. Fees are to be paid in cash prior to the start of each game directly to the center referee.

    Laminated, Cal South player cards must be presented to the referees prior to the start of each game.

    The home team will be responsible for providing 3 copies of the Game Report to the referee prior to the start of each game. Each manager should sign all 3 copies of the Game Report at the completion of each game and retain 1 copy for their records.

    NO PLAYERS MAY BE HAND WRITTEN ON THE GAME REPORTS. These players will be ineligible to play.

    The WINNING team is responsible for calling in the score of the game AND bringing the completed Game Report AFTER THE GAME, to the SCDSL tent. A PIN# for playoffs will be provided with Playoff Game Day Instructions. It is important to call or use the PhoneItIn app to post scores as quickly as possible so that Game Reports can be printed for the next day by the home team. Without the scores being reported, the rosters will not populate on to the next day’s Game Report. Please be aware of this as the WINNING team responsible for posting scores AND bringing the completed Game Report to the SCDSL tent after the game.

    If the score is tied at the end of regulation, all games will go straight to penalty kicks. There will be no over-time in any games.

    No added time will be added on to any game. All games are played on a running clock unless stoppage for lengthy injury is approved by league representative on-site.

    SCDSL substitution rules apply: No re-entry in the first half and one re-entry in the second half, per player. Each half stands on its own.

    Substitutions may only take place:

    • Own throw-in
    • Own player has an injury
    • Any goal kick
    • Any kick-off
    • Yellow cards optional for player receiving yellow card only.
    • If opposing team substitutes, you may substitute.
    NO Substitutions on:

    • Free kick (direct or indirect)
    • Corner kick
    • Penalty kick
    COACH/PLAYER/PARENT/SPECTATOR EJECTIONS DURING PLAYOFFS:

    Coach send off - if it’s the first sendoff for the coach during the season = 2 games

    Coach send off - if it’s more than the first sendoff = remainder of playoff games

    Player send off for all non-Violent Conduct and all non-Referee Abuse (including straight red and double yellow cards) = 1 game

    Player send off for ALL Violent Conduct and ALL referee Abuse = remainder of playoff games.

    Parent/Spectator sendoffs = remainder of playoff games

    Any type of card issued during playoffs may not be appealed or rescinded and will stand as issued.

    Any red card for Violent Conduct or Referee Abuse issued during the finals will be carried over to next season until completed with a minimum 3-game suspension.

    Parents/Spectators are to sit on the opposite side of the field from the teams, mirroring their own team. The SCDSL policy on this applies.

    AWARDS:

    Champions receive a team trophy and medals for each player.

    Finalists receive a team trophy and medals for each player.

    Any situation not covered by these rules will be decided by the SCDSL lead staff member on site.
     
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