part of what i was getting at. some kids can be athletic but cant fix stupid and selfish. there are also kids who are athletic but gas out in 30 mins. a kid might not be able to jump out the gym but can run like horse all day. listened to a discussion about "mexican style" soccer online yesterday and discussion goes a similar route. often its a matter of what the coach values and what they need for the style they play. things like fixing passing/receiving should be something any competent coach should be able to fix - we do agree not all coaches are competent. in the end picking teams and placing the kids isnt democratic - it shouldnt be. im not saying mix flight1 kids and train them with bronze level teams. im just not of the opinion that you cant find great/good coaches outside of DA/ECNL/Premier or this new circuit or find kids that can make their way up a properly structured dev system. These circuits arent the end-all in soccer or development. Many times its politics and about writing the check. So yes, youll get the kids who shouldnt be playing at the correct level. Ive never said promote kids to levels they shouldnt be in. Im saying we need to look at the system as a whole from bottom up. Too much emphasis on top down. Cant improve talent pull with this approach. Truth is many of the academies and teams in these systems want it closed off as much as possible in order for their flaws or lack of quality isnt seen. For instance, my friend put his flight1 team in one of the big tournaments - requested to be placed in division with academy teams. They ended up putting the team down at flight2 ( didnt concede a goal and scored 20+ goals, didnt help anyone improve). Instead the host club stuck pre-academy teams in and even their own flight1. They all got hammered. Same team wiped the floor with "pre-academy" teams who practiced 4x a week to beat them and ended up getting killed. Same team who had been playing flight2 as two separate teams this time last year. To me its about progression, and true development. Hard to balance wins/losses vs development. Some coaches good at winning but doesnt mean kids are progressing in development. Best example of who balances this idea is Hugo Perez. I think he is an "elite" coach but his teams would get spanked and he wouldnt give a crap. Was about getting kids to where they need to go and he tried to get US Soccer to understand it but they didnt share his philosophy. Can talk to ODP coaches who have kids on their teams, leave for DA teams and come back to ODP - coaches who also coach kids at all levels of play. We can find examples to show our points but all the systems have flaws. What we suggested makes more sense, but the sensible people dont make decisions in the US Soccer landscape.