North Korea

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  1. tenacious

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    Alright I'll say it, if Trump were to negotiate a deal with NK... it would put him up there in the pantheon. Yeah Obama got Iran to give up the nukes, but with Israel throwing up the gang signs, we had leverage to negotiate.

    Not to be pessimistic... but what's Trumps leverage in this deal with NK? Give up nukes or we'll go to nuclear war with you? All Trump can do is give away the farm to make a deal. Hmmm
     
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    "The Great Negotiator" label doesn't have much to back it. A deal would be great but Trump has already given Kim Jong-un what he wants, legitimacy, a seat at the table, equal standing. There is no one left with any prior experience to negotiate. I say it won't even happen, Trump will be informed of the relevancy he has given Kim and the no-win situation it would be to meet . . . Nixon/China this is not.
     
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    Well from axing Obamacare to Tax Cuts all I've seen is send me anything and I'll sign it. Guess maybe this time things will be different, but I do believe it's fair to wonder.
     
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    Nixon went to China.
     
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    Trump just wants to be loved, even if only by a minority as long as it is passionate. He's a salesman from a small boutique family business and isn't up on what happens outside that bubble.
     
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    Good point. There are a lot of parallels to be drawn.
    I might quibble that Trump is no Nixon. But we'll see. He is crafty...
     
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    You girls just can't help yourselves, just wait, if he gets this done you are burnt toast in 2018 and again in 2020.
    When all is said and done, at least he isn't Hillary.
     
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    Still goes down as a great foreign policy move for America.
    Nixon was a big government liberal, but the China policy was a great achievement.
     
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    President Trump would be wise to understand the history of North Korean negotiations. Just because they sign a treaty/agreement doesn't mean that they will adhere to hit. Remember the Munich Agreement?
     
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    Nixon had a plan, of sorts.
     
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    So did Clinton in 1998 ....that's why all our manufacturing and Military technology
    ended up there......

    Trump isn't Nixon....
    Trump isn't Clinton....

    Hillary is pissed she was " let go " ( FIRED ) from the Watergate Inquiry.....
    Just ask Jerry Ziefman.....
    She stole documents and that set the tone for the rest of her Criminal Career.
    While Bill was coking it up and paying Arkansas Hookers she was busy stealing
    and compiling FBI files on anyone and everyone she might come across on her
    way up the ladder to a potential Presidential campaign.....Oh and eliminating !
    Just ask anyone who has relatives who died of " Arkancide " !
     
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    I don't know... hard to imagine Hillary putting two trillion on credit cards so she could pay for tax cuts for her friends. And then following it up by starting a trade war.

    But honestly we could argue all day about whose worse Trump or Hillary. Thing is only one of them is in office and so far, as our debate about whose worse alludes, he's sucking at the job.
     
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    Yea... someone who not ago was threatening to blow up American cities and a long track record of duplicity, out of the blue wants to sit down and talk about giving up their most powerful weapon to their sworn enemies.

    Sorta feels like one of those situations where we'll look back and say there were a lot of warning signs...
     
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    Your partisan hate iz blinding your dumb ass.
    You really need to start paying attention.
     
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    Cut it out.
     
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    Funny how none of you guys ever actually try and say Trump is doing a good job. You'll almost say it sometimes.

    All I'm going to say, is if you can't start finding some good stuff to say about Trump, I'm not sure how long the "he's better then anybody the Democrats are going to find" argument is going to keep treading water?

    He's sucking. I know it.. and based on the fact that none of his supporters on here have really even tried to argue differently... I'm going to go ahead and say you all know it too. You might be a diehard Brokeback, but my read is your going Roy Moore on us again (with your unwavering support of all thing nutter), and are misinterpreting the landscape.
     
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    Didn't you watch his speech last night? The ones back checkers immediately likened to a used car salesman trying to sell a car that doesn't exist? He said he is doing a great job, the world is still turning because of him and that the South Korean diplomats thanked him for such a successful Olympics (one he claimed was a sold out smash success, I guess he knows none of his base would have watched and seen all the empty seats). The speech where he once again claimed, "I and I alone", he is the great savior of the modern world just ask him.
    I have the feeling the part of last nights Trump speech where he gushes about all his accomplishments vis-a-vis Kim Jong-un and North Korea as if that had already happened may come back to haunt him when they yet again pull the football back on him and all laugh. If he pulls it off that would be great, odds are he ends up once again looking like a bombastic fool with egg on his face or maybe a bit of Gyran Jjim.
     
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    Trump is doing a great job.
     
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    Idiot.
     
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    Word is his handicap has come down and he doesn't have to cheat as much or take as many uncounted mulligans . . . if he gets re-elected he may just get his number down to single digits for reals!
     

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