Discussion in 'Girls Development Academy' started by Soccerreccos, Jul 31, 2017.
DPL = EGSL
The top teams in scdsl and csl seem to be on par, those leagues are just not as deep this year in the 03 group.
Let me correct that: DPL = EGSL = ECNL = SCDSL
This is an interesting discussion from the perspective of someone coming from out of state for SilverLakes. To be fair in regards to your statement above, Slammers only beat the same San Juan team 1-0 where Legends beat them 3-1. Sometimes it's a horses for courses situation.
Unfortunately, we didn't play an ECNL team. We played two DPL teams and one SCDSL Champions division team. There was no comparison, the SCDSL team was the best of the three and the only one that beat us. We dominated the Friday game against a DPL team near the top of the league standings. The interesting thing to me was that the DPL teams seemed to have better results on Saturday and Sunday. On Saturday the team we played on Sunday tied the team we blew out on Friday, so I expected another fairly easy win. The Sunday game was a lot tougher even though we still won. Along with that the team that we dominated on Friday tied the SCDSL team that beat us. Almost made me wonder if the DPL teams were bringing in DA players for Saturday and Sunday even though I'm sure they aren't supposed to do that.
That’s where your head goes?
Interesting to get an out of state opinion.
Well no, not normally, but when the combined goal differential of games featuring DPL vs. non-DPL teams (in our bracket) goes from -11 on Friday to +5 on Saturday and 0 on Sunday I struggle to come up with a logical explanation for something that seems very unlikely in my experience of many years of closely analyzing a lot of youth soccer scores. I'd love to hear alternative theories.
With everyday of soccer the same teams can have good games and bad games. It doesn't always have to be something nefarious
And let’s not forget that Holiday that was the day before Friday! I personally know 3 kids who travelled 7+ hours on Friday to make it to their games and several that missed Friday but were there Sat and Sun (again due to travel).
Factor in that is is a College Showcase so Coaches get the rosters of the games they want to watch and there is no Trophy, so what is there to gain? It is simply not worth the risk.
Our daughter played at Silverlakes vs a DSL team, the same DPL team in league, and a ECNL team and did well on the scorelines for all three games. Overall for her she felt it was more like scrimmages than a tournament and missed some for the competitveness of playoffs after you win the bracket or all three games.
These different leagues are really marketing gimmicks and getting parents to compare "results" and who is Superior or not based on game scores is part of con that keeps the $ rolling in. If your on a team that's near the top or bottom of the standings there a illusion of perception sometimes that team results are directly related to individual Player Development and that is not case trust me on this one.
Everyone has a theory about the best way to develop players but it's clear to me many players need more help in improving technical skills, we need to teach them earlier, have specific specialized technical training and try to improve individual players better,. In the usa we focus too much on teams or on too few "star" or "stud" players and overall we just seem to be chasing the next "elite" league like sheep's or something?
All these rankings and who's better is silly, there are at least 10 other factors to consider that are not really quantifiable such as tactics the coach use, the focus on winning over the development, some injuries on the team, the formation they played with and so forth.
Winning games has been the purpose of youth soccer in the usa for too long and we need to change to players first before team and start collaborating instead of dividing or creating more leagues.
This thread would be evidence that in the eyes of the clubs sponsoring the DPL there may be something to gain in terms of reputation. If the DPL is trying to establish itself as on par with ECNL, they probably would've been a bit discouraged by the results on Friday. Even if it wasn't DA players, could've been players from other teams in the club, I don't know. As I said in my original comment, I was just considering possible options to explain some very unexpected results. I'm not accusing anybody of anything.
My daughter played in Surf College Cup this weekend and saw similar anomalies (including from her own team). In her team's case the coach gave various bench players more playing time than typical in one game or another because it was a showcase tournament. If the same thing was happening in Silverlakes, that might explain the difference (and also make my earlier attempt to analyze the results somewhat pointless).
Unfortunately, we didn't play an ECNL team. We played two DPL teams and one SCDSL Champions division team. There was no comparison, the SCDSL team was the best of the three and the only one that beat us. We dominated the Friday game against a DPL team near the top of the league standings. The interesting thing to me was that the DPL teams seemed to have better results on Saturday and Sunday. On Saturday the team we played on Sunday tied the team we blew out on Friday, so I expected another fairly easy win. The Sunday game was a lot tougher even though we still won. Along with that the team that we dominated on Friday tied the SCDSL team that beat us. Almost made me wonder if the DPL teams were bringing in DA players for Saturday and Sunday even though I'm sure they aren't supposed to do that.[/QUOTE]
Well as a friend of mine would say sometimes its just not your day. Were all the players at your friday game? maybe the kids don't play well onfriday after traveling? Or maybe that they are kids and as it is in every single sport at every level some days you just get your ass handed to you. My DD team will beat a top team like surf 1-0 and then lose to a less talented team 5-0. It happens all the time. i wouldn't look to far into it than that.
Well as a friend of mine would say sometimes its just not your day. Were all the players at your friday game? maybe the kids don't play well onfriday after traveling? Or maybe that they are kids and as it is in every single sport at every level some days you just get your ass handed to you. My DD team will beat a top team like surf 1-0 and then lose to a less talented team 5-0. It happens all the time. i wouldn't look to far into it than that.[/QUOTE]
I get it, but these are older girls and generally the older the kids get the more predictable the results. I have rarely seen swings as large as the ones we saw this weekend, but it's possible as SoCalPapa said that teams were giving subs more playing time. I don't put much stock in travel being an issue as we had to travel as far as just about any team in the tournament and Friday was our best day. Add to that the fact that our girls haven't played a competitive game outdoors since HS ended almost two months ago and I would've expected us to get better, not the local teams who've been playing consistently.
"development over winning". Blah Blah Blah. Winning is developing too . You need to learn and know how to win. You cannot win all the time without being talented nobody is that lucky. So what if the other team is bigger and kicks the ball around if you have talent and desire then you win those balls. They will suck later and you will win the bigger prize. If you are losing because of that than it should motivate you to win more or else its just an excuse. When you get tired of losing then you will grow. Just like Ho' Solo cried about losing to Sweden because they played they way they did stop crying and get better.
I'll admit this idea is something of a mystery to me as well. I don't care what sport you're playing, athleticism can only take you so far. At some point you have to master the fundamentals of the sport if you want to play at a high level. You never hear the 'development over winning" mantra thrown around in any other youth sport as much as you do in soccer. If winning becomes a focus to the point that the game is no longer fun, to me that's a problem, but in my life it has always been more fun to win and play well.
Nobody answered this earlier, and I saw this as well. The DPL 'standings' show a ton of new teams just added, most from out of state, but notably Slammers HB EGSL, and Slammers ECNL, as well as WCFC ECNL. I know that Slammers HB team was in SCDSL Champions div this season, not sure if the two "ECNL" teams were the ECNL 2 (EGSL) teams or the regular ECNL teams. All of these new clubs look like clubs in the DA and ECNL. Maybe DPL is opening up the league to ECNL clubs too? Anyone connected to those teams care to confirm if this is for real? If so, DPL just got slightly more interesting.
These were teams from SilverLakes. No idea why they were added in. I assumed maybe they use the same software platform or something.
Ah, thanks. Interesting...
DPL turned out to be what most realistic people thought. The idea of "mirroring" the DA program with a closed league, game films and guaranteed entry in showcase events was a good idea with poor execution. The schedule included 9 games with some teams having a 3+ week gap in games, we have received a total of 5 game films of 9 games (5 from our team). Some teams used professional services others had a camcorder on a stick(RSC). The quality of teams and style of play was about what we expected and the showcases were good. In 2018 So Cal club soccer would be better served to have these teams play in SCDSL flight 1.