Double Yellow

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  1. jimbohonky

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    Can anybody tell me what the punishment is for a double yellow card in a game in the SCDSL (besides getting ejected from the game in which they received the yellows, obviously). This is the first time this has ever happened to him...
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    SCDSL states a one game suspension.
     
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    We had a player on the team I managed sent off for a 2x yellow last season in SCDSL. Suspended for following game, and I was told that I was required to log it in the team page on the SCDSL website within 24 hours.
     
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    It must be submitted no later than the Tuesday following the game in which the send off occurred.
     
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    As long as its not for violent conduct then two yellows is just a suspension for the next game. Violent conduct is a 3 game suspension. DOGSO (denial of obvious goal scoring opportunity) with a send off is no suspension for the next game (if my memory serves me correctly)
     
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    Now you gotta tell the story-
    Was it a couple of legit calls?
    Was the ref being a bit sensitive?
    Was your kid playing “on the edge”? (a good thing in my book).
    Should the coach have subbed him after the 1st one because the ref was calling a tight game? (I’ve subbed a player on a yellow in the 3rd game of a tournament. Yellow about 10 minutes in and the ref was much tighter than our previous games. We were already into the finals and I didn’t want to risk her missing the final. Didn’t matter- we got killed in the final anyway).
     
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    I don’t see the DOGSO thing in the 2018 Rules and Regs, so it may still be a one game suspension.
     
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    DOGSO is usually only a one game suspension
     
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    I wish there was a story to tell. First one was a tight call by a ref being yelled at by both sides for not knowing what he was doing out there and limping along 20 yards behind the action on the field.
    Second card came in the second half in a phantom call when the opponent fell down after kicking the ball. The ref admitted that he forgot that the kid already had a yellow, but that didn’t stop the kids on the other team from gleefully reminding him about it or the ref telling him sorry but he had to give him a red. It was lame and in the end costly, but isn’t that par for the course in SoCal soccer?!
     
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    Of course your kid didn't commit the fouls. Par for the course.
     
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    Our team had a very eventful weekend of games as well. On Saturday, my son received two yellow cards within about 3 minutes of each other. First card came as a defender beat him to the ball. From where I was standing it appeared that he shoved the defender in the back. Fair call, in my opinion, however, I don’t necessarily think it was yellow card worthy but I can see why the Ref did card him. The second card came a couple minutes later. A through ball was played down the line and my son has his head turned toward the ball as it was coming and the defender went through my son on his way to the ball. In the defender’s defense, he too was focused entirely on the ball and I don’t think he even saw my son. The defender got knocked down, while my son stumbled but stayed on his feet. Incidental contact if I ever saw it from my Ref experience, but my son was given another yellow.

    Then the Center Ref from Saturday was the AR of our game on Sunday. In about the 2nd or 3rd minute of the game, our team’s goalie comes out to make a play on the ball outside of the penalty area. Goes to ground, only gets a glancing touch off his body on the ball but does clip the attacker. Not huge contact but enough to trip up the attacker. Straight red for DOGSO. If you go over the 4 D’s of a DOGSO, this call doesn’t check any of those situations. The Center initially had his yellow card out, which I completely agreed with, but after a discussion with the AR (who officiated our game the day before), decides to pocket the yellow and go straight red.

    I know reffing is difficult, I do it most weekends myself, but what I struggle with is these referees who take their interpretation of the Laws is the Game to extremes and forget that these are youth players and not professionals.

    The biggest compliment I can get as a referee is if no one remembers I reffed their game.
     
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  12. Not_that_Serious

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    same every week. when a ref does a good job one should tell him or her (as i have done myself) - "you did a great job". even if they did bad, still say "thank you". sometimes a proper conversation cant be had, but still say "thanks". had one ref do three games in a row for us two weeks ago and third game it was noticed on the game sheet he had yellow carded our coach - yet he never actually carded him in the game. that is about as passive aggressive as you can get. worse than the one's that tell you "i dont have to tell you what the call is". some act as if they arent paid and doing everyone a favor to be there.
     
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    Honestly I don't like parents asking for justification on calls it takes the refs attention away from what they should be focused on. Try being responsible for 22 different players on a field 110 x 70 yards and fast paced action trying to take your time to explain to a parent why you called a foul.


    One tournament I was ar1 and a late first half goal was scored it snuck in the the near post. Assistant coach came to me explaining his parents told him ball went through a hole in the net from the side and should have not counted. I was in great position to see the ball go in for a goal. He didn't agree so I calmly told him we checked the nets prior to the game and I assured him there was no hole and he can go check himself at half. While in the process of trying to give him a explanation parents start screaming for a handball and he asked if i was gonna pick up my flag to make the call while I politely told him I'd love to make the call if you were not blocking my view of the play. This in itself shows how much trying to be nice and give explanations during high paced game is very hard to do for an ar let alone a center ref.
     
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    Not talking about parents, they shouldnt be involved. There are refs out there that tell coaches "i dont have to explain a call" or "i dont have to tell you what the call is". HS level probably the worst but seen this attitude more at youth level now.
     
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    I will almost always tell the players if they ask. If I have time and the coach is relatively close, I will either tell the coach or ask one of the players to tell the coach. I will not yell across the field to the coach. If I have a foul and a player ends up on the ground, I have numerous things to take care of; check the condition of the player and take the necessary action, make eye contact with my AR's, keep an eye on the players involved and teammates so there is not a fight, determine if I am going to issue a warning or card and what color, if there will be a quick restart or ceremonial restart, move the wall if necessary, make sure my AR's are ready to go, take care of subs.........and last on my list of things to do would be to explain to a coach what I called and when they usually already know. I would never say, "I don't have to explain a call" or "I don't have to tell you what the call is." I would just ignore them and tell the players.
     
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    Remember with the 2018/2019 LOTG there is no Yellow card DOGSO outside the penalty area. To be a Yellow card DOGSO the qualifying infraction must be in the penalty area. If the attacker was headed in the general Direction of the goal, with the keeper being the last Defender between him and the goal, the ball within playing Distance and just outside of the penalty area (Distance to goal), the keeper clipping (tripping) the attacker would normally meet the criteria for a DOGSO Red card. But I was not there to see it. I called a very similar DOGSO Red a couple weeks ago that the coach and manager kept yelling that it was a DOGSO Yellow. They were wrong, because there cannot be a DOGSO Yellow outside of the penalty area.
     
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    come on, coaches arent expecting a call to be explained across the field. usually that happens if there is a break in play or talking to the AR who will usually relay it later. good you check players, have kids crossed checks to the point you can hear the collusion and have to yell at refs to stop the game - never mind the foul, check on the kid who isnt moving on the floor.

    yes, 9/10 calls you know what is going on. but if you see a kid kick a ball at his teammates stomach and the ball goes out of bounds with no opposing player near them and give the ball to the team who kicked the ball, one might ask "Hey can i get clarification on that call". youll get random whistles where clearly nothing is going on and you have to ask "hey can i get a clarification" - you would be surprised how many times you get "No" or "Stop!". Even when no one is being rude and believe the question is fair. This rarely happened over a decade of games Ive been on the sidelines to hear - but I hear it way more often now. Maybe the crazy guy I first heard years ago is teaching refs now? A couple years ago one of the refs who said the same thing was telling other refs (during a tournament), "Dont say much. Control it. You have to get in and out of games then collect." Which led me to telling the guy that was shit advice and stop spreading how to be a bad ref to other refs - which led to dude telling me how much of a worthless human being I was. Not all refs are bad, but the bad ones are pretty unforgettable.
     
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    Nobody was talking to you, troll.
    Back to your cave!!!
     
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    There is no parent that should be instructing a ref on how to act even though you may be right. That is not the chain of command. Refs have assessors, peers, associations and leagues to give them instruction.
     
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    I understand the DOGSO guidelines. In this particular case, there was the LB about 3 steps behind the attacker. The 2 CB’s were between the attacker and the goal with the LCB being about 8yds from the play and the RCB being about 6 yds from the goal line. The attackers 1st touch on the ball was taking him toward the end line but toward the corner flag instead of toward goal.

    Not a single one of the 4 criteria for a DOGSO was met in this particular case and that is what I’m saying. So a yellow card to the GK for being a “technical” foul would have absolutely been warranted. When I spoke to Referee after the game in a non confrontational manner, I asked him what he saw to consider it a DOGSO and his response was simply that the player made an attempt at the ball but missed and made contact with an attacker. I asked him which of the 4 D’s this particular play met, he said those didn’t matter and the moment the player made contact with an attacker without touching the ball it become a DOGSO situation. We ended up having a decent length conversation about this but at the end, he was still convinced that he was right even with me presenting my case.
     
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