Discovery League

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  1. Slammerdad

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    What is that supposed to mean? The Slammers organization has over 100 teams and you want to generalize every team based on what? In fact, the Slammers have subsets of groups i.e. South Slammers, CDA Slammers, Slammers....so please be intelligent about things when you quote. Guess your games against the Slammers teams didn't go your way. That's too bad. :)
     
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    It’s not just SCDSL that this bs is happening in. This past Sunday, my son who’s on a CSL 05 team played in Apple Valley. At the end of the game before his ( girls 03 or 04 game ) 2 adults got onto a fist fight on the field; and I believe both were from the same team. One of the girls ran up and was begging on of the adults to stop...very sad for the young lady.
    Then our game was called 5 minutes early by the center referee because he showed a red card to the other team’s coach. He was complaining throughout the whole game and I guess the CR has enough.
    I myself pretty much gave up on being a referee cause of the bs the referees put up with.
     
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    Agree to this 100%. As a coach you can manage your sideline and be more hands on.
     
  4. Multi Sport

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    Personally I would rather the Coach concentrate on the game instead of worrying about the sideline. If they are a good Coach it would have been addressed before the season started.
     
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    If they are a good coach, having the parents on the sideline won't be an issue either.

    This keeps parents from getting after each other, too.
     
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  6. Multi Sport

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    That's true as well. I just prefer the Coach concentrate on the game with as little distractions as possible. It's why we pay the $$. Back in the day I would see parents walking to the bench to check on their kid, talk to Coach or tell their kid what they are doing wrong. Helicopter much? Kids should feel that this is their time. Just my opinion...
     
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    I am sorely disappointed in this board where you can count on some mudslinging and get versions of what happened yet we have no clear picture of what triggered that email. Somebody needs to come clean.

    The most I can glean is that it was the Discovery League (based on the fact the ECNL and DA comments only made some sense when reading the Discovery League version but not when the Discovery comments were taken out and sent to the SCDSL folks) and there was probably some posturing over how the Discovery League is inferior thus causing this situation (because of the defensiveness in the letter related to the Discovery League in relation to ECNL and DA). It makes sense that it would be Slammers and Pats as a poster noted based upon the ECNL and DA comments as well as the "Big name" comment. My daughter has put her money on the fact it is a boys team and my money is on a girls team. I need some facts folks...somebody knows! Start a new profile and spill the beans! At a minimum, use Club A and Club B and give us the facts.
     
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  8. Mystery Train

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    Exactly. Why is it that we can get in-depth breakdowns of off-side incidents in an individual u-littles game, but when someone put a ref in a choke hold this place goes silent???
     
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    You should pay your daughter...
     
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    I wish this would have gone out before my SCDSL games this past weekend. Maybe I would not have had the problems with the parents and coach yelling. Although the AR screwing up throughout the game didn't help.
     
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    As a referee, when I go to check a team in I talk to the coach(s) and manager together. I ask the manager if they will be sitting with the team or parents. I tell them that if there are problems with their spectators that I expect the manager to handle the unruly parents, so I do not have to stop the game and have the coach walk all the way across the field to address and remove spectators. About 75 percent of the time the coach will say to the manager something along the lines of, "Go tell Sally and Karen's dads to keep their mouth shut and I do not want to hear a word out of them." My short talk with the coach and manager usually works to keep the spectators reasonably quiet.

    The problem that I see is that a lot of clubs do not hold their coaches or parents accountable for their actions. The two clubs my daughter has coached for have a zero tolerance policy for spectators yelling at the refs. If a referee has to talk to a coach about a parent or talk to the parent directly. that parent will need to leave and will not be allowed at a given number of games that is decided by the club.
     
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    CSL does it that way and Having been in CSL and SCDSL as both a parent and a coach in each I think it's much worse when it's coaches with their own team on separate sidelines as the other team. Big part your missing is that the majority of unruly sidelines get it from the coach. So teaming them up usually doesn't help. And I find it makes the opposing side get out of hand knowing the other team is farther away. IMHO.
     
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    I also think it's much better for the kids not to have their parents breathing (or shouting) down their necks when they're on the bench. When they're on the other side, the kids can be themselves more and I find coaches are more likely to talk to the kids about what's going on in the game. This is how the DA does it and I'm a fan. No parents allowed on the kids/coaches side at all.
     
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    The best games are when you are playing in a high school stadium with bleachers. Far enough away that you can't hear much anyway.
     
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    As a retired team manager who had to deal with it both ways. I definitely prefer my team on one side and the other team on the other side. Most coaches don't want to have to deal with the parents and would rather be on the other side. But there was definitely more conflicts and screaming parents when the coach was across the field.
     
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    In my experience:
    A good coach with a strong manager will create a good team culture and have the parents in line regardless of the team/spectator sideline choices. When we encounter a poor team culture then:
    • CSL's way is less desirable. Because the coach is the problem. The parents feed off the coach much more. Game management is more difficult. When the A-Hole coach is told by the Referee to keep quiet, stop, etc., he/she is embarrassed in front of the parents and now compelled to engage in more subversive comments or makes smart-ass remarks that only the parents can hear. One or two of the parents (usually men) will now take up the torch and shout crap because the coach has been warned.
    • USSDA / Cal South / SCDSL - separate teams from parents which is more desirable. Because the parents are sitting on the other side they don't hear 1/2 of what the coach is saying, they tend not to feed off an A-Hole coach as much. The Manager is also on that sideline so we have an adult to adult the adults.
    Bottom line, if the team has a good culture it doesn't matter. If the team has a poor team culture then "let's separate them."

    I'll add that the teams I have had the worst problem with are the teams that speak Spanish. Its almost comical the uniformity of the sideline.
    • There is the coach in the middle,
    • The moms and kids sitting between the half and 18.
    • The two dads that are pacing back and forth in the ear of the coach and yelling at their players.
    • The group of dads (3 to 4) down by the corner post with their red cups.
    • The leader of the group of dads with their red cups egging on the other dads and making all sorts of comments about everything in Spanish.
    • When there is an issue that I need to address, the complete and total lack of knowledge that anybody on the sideline has as to who said what. "It wasn't me?" "I don't know any of these people." "I don't have a kid on this team." "I'm just watching"
     
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    I would respect fully disagree. With both teams parents on the same side hard fouls or no calls cause the parents to start chipping at each other which causes problems. It was an even bigger problem when you travel and play teams from back East. My experience with them was if parents are on the same side they walk over to your side to be closer to their DD whether they’re on offense or defense. So now you have parents from team A standing right behind Parents from team B which causes even more problems when the chipping starts. These parents were politely asked to move back to their own side or be quiet, and neither happened. The common phrase heard was, this is how we do it over here .
     
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    What is the initial feedback for Discovery league so far?? How is the competition? How is it having all games at Silverlakes? Do you want to participate in the Discovery league again next year?
    Any "pathway" opportunities open up from scouts attending games?
     
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    Not always. Sometimes sound carries way too well, and every word can be heard. both ways- from coach to players/refs, and parents in stands to players/coach/refs.
     
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    If you ask the players of the coaches they overwhelmingly prefer Spectators to be on the other sidelines away from the bench.

    As far as I remember ussda has always been this way and the parents don't normally mingle or have people problems with one & other even on the same sideline.

    Maybe we should have teams play in the the octagon next game when things get out of hand.

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    Or how about the Penalty Box 5-minute time out for a yellow card or The Spectator Penalty Box 10 minutes for yelling
     
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