DA and ECNL

Discussion in 'ECNL' started by Desert Hound, Jan 24, 2018.

  1. Fact

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    Again you make bs up like GPS is going with Surf and will have ECNL. I just make yours as dumb because they are dumb and lead to wild speculation. And if you had bothered looking I marked Surfertwins post with a Like because I know he/she had truthful information that is beneficial.
     
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    While I would like to agree with Outside about the ECNL monopoly Surf has in San Diego, Dummy is exactly right about Albion and LAGSD acting no differently by pulling their B teams to create the wannabe DPL and LAGSD even giving their B team the CRL spot earned by their A team. Unfortunately for most clubs this is just a business and they don’t care who they step on to make $.
     
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  3. Dummy

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    To be fair, the biggest hypocrites of all are are farther north at Legends and Beach. They had this done to them by So Cal ECNL and then they immediately go all in doing it to others with DPL.
     
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    Ok they all are hypocrites.
     
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  5. outside!

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    There is a subtle difference. ECNL was a national organization colluding with local clubs. DPL is local clubs colluding with each other.
     
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  6. Kicker4Life

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    How is ECNL voting not to add clubs the same as the formation of DPL?
     
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  7. Dummy

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    It is not the same. It is just hypocritical.

    Beach and Legends had some strong teams that they rightfully wanted playing ECNL level teams, and ECNL kept the league closed on them for whatever competitive advantage the ECNL clubs perceived at the time, like by being able to market your ECNL team that is not as good as a strong Beach or Legends team as better because they are ECNL.

    As soon as they are on the inside of the closed GDA group, they pull their less strong teams into a different closed league for whatever competitive advantage they perceived at the time, like by being able to market your DPL team that is not as good as the CSL Premier or SCDSL Flight 1 teams in the leagues they left as better because they are DPL.
     
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  8. MakeAPlay

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    Close but speaking as someone who has a kid in club when ECNL was formed that is not at all why Beach and Legends were excluded from ECNL.

    Initially they had no track record of success on the national level. All of the initial 8 SoCal Clubs and 4 clubs in Vegas and Arizona had won a national championship at some level in the girls side prior to being admitted to ECNL. Beach and Legends only started winning championships once the ECNL teams no longer competed in USYS events.

    Basically they are new money and they got declined when they tried to join the old money country club. Guess what. Due to SCDSL they got to go nuts with teams (CSL restricted teams to 3 max per age group at the time) win some phony national championships and get into the new country club. Now they are doing the same thing and the parents are acting frankly worse than the ECNL parents and their claims of elite are hilarious considering how much more diluted things are now.

    Forget the phony leagues and focus on your player it will pay the biggest dividends. Good luck to you and your player.
     
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  9. Kicker4Life

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    Best advice on this forum!
     
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    Thank your for your response. I appreciate the additional history for better context.

    You do a better job of expressing the sentiment I was attempting to convey when you write “Now they are doing the same thing and the parents are acting frankly worse.”

    I also appreciate your advice and kind words. Good luck to you and your player as well.
     
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    Wait, are you suggesting that stuff on this board is something other speculative? LOL.

    I've said from the beginning that Surf hasn't "lost" ECNL.

    Did I read that you don't even have kids who play soccer anymore?
     
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    So what's the word? I assume Surf did in fact "lose ECNL" as claimed earlier? Did they give it to force? Lulz.
     
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    There's little buzz here and there but nothing more than just that. Nothing with any teeth but next couple of weeks will be telling. With July just around the corner only weeks before start of new season irrespective of league....
     
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    It just confounds me why the CalSouth clubs can't get together and just form their own leagues. We have the best talent here, have the best weather here, and most of the best college programs are in the West. Also some of the best fields in the country with SilverLakes, Irvine, Carson, Oceanside and Polo Fields.

    If your kids have gone and played in any "national" tournament, you know that most of the games are not even competitive until you play in the final rounds---likely against another CalSouth team.

    Who cares about winning a "national" trophy when winning a CalSouth tournament is actually more challenging (bc the kids are likely facing better teams throughout the brackets).

    Make a Tier1 league for the "A" teams, a Tier2 league for the "B" teams, etc. Have promotion/relegation for the top 3-5 teams in each league. Charge the parents a little more $ in return for not having to pay thousands of dollars on travel to places we would never CHOOSE to go on vacations.

    Control the schedule so each club could have their own one tournament at some point in the year and show concern for the kids' health by having a mandatory 2-month break in December and January. Also, agree to have tryouts for all clubs after the year-end tournaments in a 1-2 week window. And, have one college showcase in the summer for all the scouts and coaches to come watch. The talent is here, the coaches WILL come.

    Maybe this is too logical and obvious? But, all it would take is the biggest 4-5 clubs to get together (Beach, Galaxy, Legends, Galaxy, Surf) and the others will follow.

    As a parent, would you be fine giving up the "national" champion quest? No brainer in my book.
     
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    Maybe we could give those leagues real SoCal-sounding names with words like Coast, Presidio. San Diego, or Southern California.
     
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    Travel ball (softball) did that several years ago, now the socal championship is by far the most sought after trophy. Who the hell wants to go east in the middle of summer when everyone would rather go to socal.
     
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  18. Sheriff Joe

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    When are the fees due, before or after you know what league you are in?
     
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    Before of cour$e!!
     
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    You’re hired!!! I’m not sure what the job is or what organization you’d be running- but I like the way you think.
     
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