Discussion in 'SoCalScene' started by Riggins, Dec 4, 2017 at 10:51 AM.
Well, there's one.
that's what your parents said
Record, kind of an indicator of how the team was put together. either A) kids playing outside talent level B) very bad coach C) Load of Injuries. Usually its putting a team together who's talent level doesnt fit the level they are playing at. If the other teams at the club win and have a team losing all the time - might be the $ team. Not always the coaches fault, could be a club decision - coach could be improving them by the seasons end. happens if coach will take on the team just to get the paycheck - doesnt indicate if the coach is terrible. you just dont want your kid being cannon fodder for other teams. not a good feeling and doesnt usually help the kid. best way is to go to at least a couple practices and watch from a distance - not like a coach would would change how they act if they have prospective buyers. Dont know how WC changes given they just sold their soul
Some excellent advice.
Watching coaches in games is critical IMHO for seeing the "real" coach
You'll see the real coach when the team is losing. True colors always come out at that time.
Whst are the names of the other coaches, and what are their records?
I'll have to see if I'm on the list.
It is really hard to get records, given these are "youngers" coaches. The coaches we are looking at though are:
Amy Androsko - Slammers FC
Walter Tuer - Slammers FC
Ryan Ruggerello - Laguna United
New Guy - Pats MV (just starting a new team, but came from another club... name escapes me)
Victor Nogueira - OC Surf
And that's the list. I can't find records for Amy and Ryan since they coach young teams are are new to their clubs. I don't know if they coached elsewhere so I can't look for old years. Walter has been around a while, and I know he had an "average" year this year, from talking to parents. But no one gave a record, and I didn't feel comfortable asking. The guy at Pats MV had really good teams before moving, but this team is completely from scratch and I know he has lots of offers out. And then there is Victor, whom I am eliminating based on feedback here, other coaches at WC/Surf, and seeing his practice.
So, that's the list. I want my daughter somewhere that the coach is interested in the girls and the game; driven to develop the girls individually and as a team; is a reasonable communicator to the parents (lower priority); and has a decent enough personality to motivate the girls without scaring them to death.
Forgot these two:
Chris Sullivan - Irvine Pats
Mike Greer - CDA Slammers Orange
IMHO looking at the records is very misleading for the younger age groups. The records you posted for this particular coach does not tell me whether he is a good or a bad coach. What they tell me is that these teams should not have played flight 1. It could be due to club's mandate to field a flight 1 team regardless, or coach promised the parents their kids will play flight 1, etc. Even if Jill Ellis or Pep Guardiola were coaching these teams, they probably would've ended up with the same miserable records. If your U10 team was getting killed in spring league/summer tourneys by other flight 1 teams, no amount of coaching can close that gap during 3 months of fall league.
I think a team needs to have a realistic chance to win at least 30% of the league games. Otherwise, you are probably better off playing a lower flight. I understand the argument to play tougher opponents for improvement, but there isn't much learning in an 8-0 game. it gets very demoralizing very quickly for both the kids (especially the little ones) and parents.
Records do matter if you know the age group and the teams, and have watched them for a while. If you play the same team from earlier and notice the same group of players have improved (individually and/or play as a team), then the coach is doing something right. Otherwise, W-L record is very misleading.
I don't know any of these coaches personally, but my DD has played against Chris Sullivan's team. They seem well coached, and the coach has a good demeanor.
I would suggest you also look at the size of the roster each club tends to fill. My DD played 7v7 on a team with 9 players, then 9v9 on a team with 11 players, so playing time is never an issue. Saddest thing in youth soccer to me is when I see five or six kids on the side line in a 9v9 game.
When did Chris join Irvine Pats? Wasn’t the with OC Strikers?
“Will the last OC Strikers coach please turn off the lights and lock the door on the way out.”
I’d also add that if you see a team dominate using 1 player, be cautious.
And any time you hear a coach constantly yell “Get the ball to Laura” the second the win the ball, they aren’t doing much to improve the play of anyone on the team. They’re just riding one player that dominates a game (usually by size, speed or both).
No, you don't!! You eliminated the coach that is best equipped to fulfill your demands.
Fortunately, I only have a couple more years and all my kids will have aged out of this Club Soccer charade. Every year, it gets worse and worse. Just haven't figured out if it is the clubs and their marketing machines or the parents are just dumber and dumber. I don't need to defend Victor because his resume and achievements speak for themselves but I am constantly left speechless buy parent posters of youngers. You will have a complete F'ing idiot post on the forums asking dumb a** questions and even bigger f'ing idiots will respond without having any idea of what they are talking about. OP then thanks bigger f'ing idiot for their extremely insightful observations and advice.
As for Victor, over the years, my players have played against his teams more times than I can count and most people are smart enough to figure out what he is doing, or use to be able to anyway. Parents today only care about winning at U10 which is why they would eliminate the only guy on their list that has actually produced a Woman's Professional Player, USWNT Player or WWC player, which just might explain why, despite his won/loss record, he has no problem filling his roster.
I certainly wish Victor well, and hope he returns to his former glory. As for now, he really doesn't seem a fit for my daughter. Others can do as the see fit. That said, the fact WC (apparently) took away his flight 1 team before the end of the season, tends to show a lack of confidence from the club in him.
El Clasico, thanks for your extremely insightful observations and advice.