Bailing out before season ends....

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  1. smellycleats

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    And by the way if there were no B, C, and D teams you would be paying significantly more for your A team player. More kids playing means people actually give a damn about soccer. More viewership, more interest, more college scholarships ...it would be like 30 years ago when no one really gave a damn about soccer in the US. It was a Third World sport. Without those kids “who don’t deserve to be there”, surf cup, national cup, DA games, would be like a bear fartin in the woods. No one would hear it and no one would care.
     
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    Nothings wrong with playing a sport and those life lessons you mention are a very important part of our kids future but does it really need come with a club price tag on it and a year commitment? What a lot of people are missing here is the B & C team competition level is exactly what AYSO had years ago with out the grind and cost of a club. Families could always start fresh each season with a new team and coach.
     
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  3. Grace T.

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    That's simply not correct. With ayso you don't get to pick your coach (unless you are it). Most club coaches at least have played the game and know what they are doing (there's lots of articles from ayso coaches confessing they don't know what they are doing). With ayso everyone, whether a star athlete or borderline handicapped, experienced or complete novice, plays in the same team. With club kids of similar ability tend to settle at the same level. With ayso there are equal time rules, with kids who miss practice or who swing and miss playing equally with a kid playing 5 days a week. With club, the rules may vary but rarely is there mandated equal time. With ayso the emphasis is on having fun and practice is usually limited to twice a week. With club, though it doesn't always obtain the ideal, the emphasis is on competition and development and practices are usually a minimum of two days a week. Even the skill level between the average ayso team and the average b club team differs greatly. My sons mediocre bronze team had routinely torn up ayso extras teams. Sure the cost is cheaper in ayso but they don't pay their coaches. Ayso coaches are volunteers and sometimes don't know what they are doing. They are no where near equivalents nor should they be.
     
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    Read my response again.

    Never said you get to pick your coach once, nor did I mention the disaster of AYSO as we know it today.

    What I did say is B & C competition at club now was found years ago at AYSO.
     
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    The only reason that was because C/D/E level players currently in club played AYSO. But the product was essentially the same. I came up through the AYSO ranks myself when it was just starting out. The competition was arguably better just because you had better athletes locked into AYSO (particularly on the girls side since in the 70s and 80s soccer was largely a girls thing in our area). The coaches still didn't know what they were doing (arguably they know better now because some of the parents have some experience). There was no VIP program so one year we even had a Down Syndrome player on my team, who also got equal time. The big difference now is that parents have choices, and that's a good thing. AYSO isn't a disaster...it does what it's supposed to do well....it's an introduction to the sport and it's there for kids to have fun. Given the way it's structured, we can't really expect more from it, which is why we have the B,C,D,E teams.
     
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    You're an imbecile.smh

    Players would pay the same amount if there wasn't a- z team. Its a business and clubs charge the same amount regardless of level or teams.

    Surf Cup and all that other crap you mentioned is meaningless and useless. College would simply pick players from high school, the same quality you get at club soccer.

    Club parents don't give a crap about soccer. It's just another opportunity to get college scholarships without any skill involved.
     
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    lol@joebieber & keepermom

    It is what it is
     
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    More kids playing any sport or doing any worthwhile activity like music is better than them sitting on the couch, playing video games, or staring at a computer all day.
     
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    What I disagree with is that "Club parents don't give a crap about soccer. It's just another opportunity to get college scholarships without any skill involved." I for one chose club soccer because my daughter wasn't being challenged in rec. I coached the last year she played rec. (because I was the only parent that showed up to discuss what we were going to do about a coach) and I would simply put my daughter in Goal for 3/4's of the game and then put her forward to score. She outgrew rec. She will have many opportunities for scholarships/financial aid just because I am single and I adopted her from an orphanage in another Country. I in fact laugh when I hear the sales pitch of college scholarship at the age of 11 because I don't even know if she will still like soccer next year. I love soccer and love watching my daughter play soccer and grow in the Keeper position. I love what she is learning in that position that will help her in life. I am not the only one so a sweeping statement like you made is not completely accurate.
     
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    Infamee you lack a basic understanding of economics if you don’t understand that B, C, and D team fees subsidize your A team player.
    Your argument is weak and obviously meant to provoke a reaction from the forum. Without a solid argument, you resort to name calling.
     
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    Does your A team player have no fees? Mine does.
    I am sure different clubs have different fee structures. I know my daughter's travel softball team top team paid 0, 0 for everything, but that was 1 team in the whole organization.
     
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    Definition of subsidize:

    1. Pay part of the cost of producing something; to reduce the cost for the buyer

    2. To support an organization financially
     
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    This is false.

    Ask any forum member? Fees are same for A and B or C teams.

    I.E. Surf for example. Coach B03 cares less what 2 other 03 teams charge regardless of level. Go on give them a call. Lol I'll wait.
     
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    Another way of subsidizing the A team is thru scholarships. How many b-z teams do you know that have scholarship players? None.
     
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    thank you for explaining this to Infamee.
     
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    Sheriff Joe's A team player does not get subsidized because of b, c, or z team therefore your argument doesn't hold water.
     
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    I am not disagreeing, I only know about our club.
    From what I know, top players parents ask for scholarships because they are top players, not because of financial hardships. I don't want to pay for any kid to play soccer other than mine. If you can't afford club than go play rec.
     
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    any specific stories anyone's willing to share on why they jumped ship early?

    was it actually your player pushing to leave the situation?
     
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    DD's original team was not going to play in State Cup anyway, and thanks to another knowledgeable parent who told me "she needs to be on a better team" we moved as soon as fall league was over. Looking back I could have told her original coach we were looking around before the move, but at the time I felt that protecting her from potential retaliation by the club was more important. Every other time our players have moved clubs, we waited until State Cup was over.
     
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    Left our original club for a club who was hiring a new, female coach. My daughter was tired of all the testosterone and yelling of her previous (male) coaches, and was intrigued, so I let her switch. Coach was not good, practices were a waste of time. Then the coach stopped showing up regularly for practices, girls were left with college student or parent. Then coach actually didn't show up for a game. Five minutes before game time parents (Dads) were jockeying for position to see who got to coach the game. My then 9-year old lost it. After that incident, she refused to go to practices. She told me it was a complete waste of time and then asked me, "how can we have a real team if we don't even have a real coach?" I thought she had a point, and I let her leave the team, even though I realized it wasn't "fair" to the other players. My daughter can't stand going to practices and wasting time, not learning anything, and she doesn't like playing for a coach (or other players) who don't take it seriously. That being said, I wouldn't have let her quit just because the coach sucked -- it wasn't until I found myself watching a game with a coach/parent yelling "boot the ball!" at my daughter that I agreed to quit.
     

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