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Bruddah IZ said:
Non-government promises
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Yeah... but it's hard for me to ignore the simple fact that non-government people's checks all seem to bounce when it comes time to fix the roads and pay the dog catchers.

Just ask the citizens of Somalia how having no government is working for them.
 
This gave me a smile. He was so mad at being mocked, that not only is he mad at those people but he's mad at the news for reporting the story.


Trump peeved at Fox News for airing 'F--- Trump' chant: report
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/452132-trump-annoyed-at-fox-for-airing-f-trump-chant-report



President Trump's criticism of Fox News in a series of tweets this weekend was reportedly spurred by footage aired on the network of bar patrons in France chanting obscenities aimed at him, according to The Associated Press.

Following the U.S. women's national soccer team's World Cup win, Fox correspondent Greg Palkot aired a live report showing patrons in the background chanting "F--- Trump" in a bar.

Shortly after the segment aired, the president took to Twitter to voice his displeasure with the network, which he usually praises for its positive coverage of his administration.

Trump's Sunday evening tweets took aim at the network in general, claiming that it is "changing fast" and forgetting "the people who got them there." But according to the AP, Trump was specifically peeved by Palkot's report. The outlet cited two Trump advisers who were not authorized to speak publicly.

Trump also blasted the network for using The New York Times as a source, possibly referencing two Sunday segments following up on Times stories about conditions at a child detention center in Texas.

Though Trump is friendly with a number of Fox News hosts, including Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson, he has recently been critical of some of the network's coverage, particularly from anchors who do not shy away from pressing members of his administration.

According to the AP report, the president has grown more annoyed with Fox News in recent months, repeatedly telling advisers that Fox has been going negative in its coverage of his presidency. He also reportedly expressed annoyance that the network has mentioned his ties to Jeffrey Epstein, the financier and sex offender who was arrested this weekend on sex trafficking charges, in its coverage of the case. Fox has also mentioned Epstein's ties to former President Clinton.

Trump has said that because he views MSNBC and CNN as both relentless critics of his administration and reticent to attack Democrats, Fox News should remain “loyal” as a counterweight, according to the AP, citing advisers to the president.

But Trump's reported dissatisfaction with the network clearly has its limits.

On Tuesday morning, Trump tweeted a number of comments praising "Fox & Friends" and commenting on its coverage.

“With President Trump at the helm, not only is America getting great again, but he’s going to make our estuaries, our rivers, our water - everything better - the things he is doing, and done, are just helping America tremendously.” Thank you to Bruce Hrobak @foxandfriends

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 9, 2019


“I agree with the President, the Supreme Court got it wrong. There should be a question about Citizenship on the Census. A.G. Barr sees a pathway to add the Citizenship Question.” Steve Doocy @foxandfriends Working hard on something that should be so easy. People are fed up!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 9, 2019
One media analyst told the AP that Trump might take it more personally when he disagrees with coverage on Fox.

“I think he takes ‘Fox & Friends’ literally, that they’re supposed to be friends,” Frank Sesno, director of the School of Media and Public Affairs at George Washington University, told the AP. “Fox has real journalists who ask real questions, like Chris Wallace. If he thinks the ‘no spin zone’ is going to be the no criticism zone, he’s right most of the time, but not all of the time.”

The Democratic National Committee earlier this year said it would not allow Fox News to host any of the Democratic primary debates following a New Yorker report that detailed the network's ties to the Trump administration. Fox News and a number of its anchors have criticized that decision.

But the network went on to host a number of town halls featuring some Democratic presidential candidates, including Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg. Those candidates have said they want to reach out to viewers on the network.
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tenacious said:
Yeah... but it's hard for me to ignore the simple fact that non-government people's checks all seem to bounce when it comes time to fix the roads and pay the dog catchers.

Just ask the citizens of Somalia how having no government is working for them.
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Just ask the citizens of Somalia how no jobs and no corporations work.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Just ask the citizens of Somalia how no jobs and no corporations work.
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No jobs? Seems like they are doing okay hosting terrorist training camps, shaking down costal pirates and other under the radar activities. At least I'm not hearing reports of mass starvation... ala' Ethiopia in the 80's. Which I guess sorta brings me back to my point about government.

I'm curious Bubs... you keep harkening back to the days where there was "no government" and speak as if it was a magical time. I've studied a little history and I'm aware of no such time or place in the history of mankind. Are you referencing a specific model you'd like to see put in place, or is this more of you complaining that government doesn't live up to some a figment of your imagination kinda thing?
 
I thought this article rather nicely summed up a point I've been making in here for a while now...

How a Democrat Can Win Over a Never-Trumper
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/07/09/never-trumpers-2020-democrats-227255

ear 2020 Democrats—all 23 of you who are running for president:

You are itching to be rid of Donald Trump. Who can blame you? Of course, if this were a normal Republican presidency, I would not share your feelings. Not remotely. As a lifelong conservative, I think your policy ideas are ill-advised. But this cycle, other Trump-disgusted Republicans and I can contemplate voting Democrat. We could do so not because we’ve become progressives, but because we think it’s in the long-term interests of conservatism and the country to be rid of Trump. If he gains a second term, conservatism may well be irredeemably tarnished. Still, much will depend upon whether the Democratic Party can resist its own drift toward Trumpiness. I’ll explain, but first, let me make the case that you should court Republican refugees like me in 2020.

You may think you don’t need us—but you’d be wrong. I know things are looking good for you: Trump’s approval rating has never topped 46 percent, and among younger voters, millennials and Gen Zers, his support is 30 percent or below. But Trump was elected with the lowest approval ratings of any major candidate in history. Polls can disguise as well as reveal. The “shy Tory” phenomenon—in which voters seem disinclined to tell pollsters that they support conservatives—is real across the globe, as evidenced most recently by the upset victory of the conservatives (called “liberals”) in Australia. Right-wing populism continues to show strength worldwide as recent election results in Brazil, India, Hungary, Poland and the Philippines attest. And if the results of the 2018 midterms have you feeling confident, you should look to the not-so-distant past. Democrats were pasted in the 2010 midterms and yet President Barack Obama glided painlessly to reelection in 2012.

While we’re on the subject of the midterms, remember that your 2018 victories were not a left-wing triumph. Your 40-seat pickup was due in no small measure to Republicans and independents who voted Democrat. In other words: Voters like me.

Democrats are well-positioned to win in 2020 by embracing political normalcy again. They can follow the path that brought Warren Harding to the presidency a hundred years ago, when, after World War I and the Spanish flu, Americans thought they’d seen the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse: famine, war, pestilence and death. Harding ran on a “return to normalcy” and won in a landslide. Trump’s tenure has not, thankfully, featured pestilence or war. It’s more like the Three Stooges than the Four Horsemen. Still, today, many of us are prepared to put our long-term goals of balanced budgets and less government-controlled health care aside to feel some sense of political equilibrium again.

But that’s not the tone you are adopting. First, you seem taken with the idea of executive overreach. At the second candidate debate, Senator Kamala Harris declared that “When elected president of the United States, I will give the United States Congress 100 days to pull their act together ... and put a bill on my desk for signature” for new gun control measures. And if Congress does not, she said, she will take executive action to put in the “most comprehensive background check policy we’ve had,” require the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to take the licenses of gun dealers who break the law and ban the import of assault weapons. She further declared her intention to reinstate Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals status on “Day One,” not just for those brought here as children but for their parents and for veterans.

By what authority? This is precisely the kind of power grab that Trump engaged in when declaring his spurious state of emergency to redirect funds to his border wall. And though Democrats’ frustration with his lawlessness is justified, this would represent a total vindication of it. If Democrats respond to Trump’s arrogation of power by doing the same thing, our constitutional system is threatened.

It’s not just Harris. Beto O’Rourke has said that, while he opposed President Barack Obama’s reliance on executive authority to change immigration law, he would resort to it to fight climate change, “because we don’t have time to waste and there’s some things that are under the purview of the administration.” Like O’Rourke, Elizabeth Warren vows that on her first day in office she would issue an executive order “that says no more drilling—a total moratorium on all new fossil fuel leases, including for drilling offshore and on public lands.”

Is this the Democratic version of “I alone can fix it?” For all his crazy-uncle socialism, at least Bernie Sanders promises to propose legislation—not to rule by decree.

The assertion of unlimited executive power is not just contrary to the Constitution; it’s also a recipe for rising political tensions. If I believe that a Democrat will propose legislation with which I disagree, I know I stand a good chance of having my representatives modify or even block it. That’s not true of executive action. The stakes of each presidential contest thus get ratcheted up, as both sides fear that the next president, unconstrained by Congress, can lurch the country in a dramatically new direction. That severely decreases the chances that all of you, hopeful Democrats, can bring more centrist voters over to your side.
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2020 Dems Call On Acosta To Resign Yet Miss Hearing On Protecting Children From Predators
July 9th, 2019
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Three Democratic presidential candidates have called for Acosta to resign, but did not attend a hearing on child predators Tuesday. (Joe Raedle, Getty Images/Drew Angerer, Getty Images/Joe Raedle, Getty Images)


Three 2020 Democratic presidential candidates skipped a Senate hearing Tuesday on ways to protect children from predators on the same day they called for Labor Secretary Alex Acosta to step downover his connection to Jeffrey Epstein, a registered sex offender.

Sens. Cory Booker of New Jersey, Kamala Harris of California and Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota all tweeted Tuesday that Acosta should step down after he cut billionaire Epstein an easy deal for two felony prostitution charges, one with a minor, in 2008. Epstein was arrested again on Saturday for allegedly sex trafficking minors between 2002 and 2005.
 
tenacious said:
But that's sort of what draws people to him. The big brother is going to take care of you message really sells.
I just think some people are just naturally weaker and more afraid and get a sense of comfort from the message.
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You guys have nothing to worry about, right? You have 2020 wrapped up already...
 
tenacious said:
But that's sort of what draws people to him. The big brother is going to take care of you message really sells.
I just think some people are just naturally weaker and more afraid and get a sense of comfort from the message.
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It is disheartening to see the level of weakness that has been brought to the surface and exploited by t . . . somewhere in Russia Putin smiles.
 
tenacious said:
No jobs? Seems like they are doing okay hosting terrorist training camps, shaking down costal pirates and other under the radar activities. At least I'm not hearing reports of mass starvation... ala' Ethiopia in the 80's. Which I guess sorta brings me back to my point about government.

I'm curious Bubs... you keep harkening back to the days where there was "no government" and speak as if it was a magical time. I've studied a little history and I'm aware of no such time or place in the history of mankind. Are you referencing a specific model you'd like to see put in place, or is this more of you complaining that government doesn't live up to some a figment of your imagination kinda thing?
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Show me my “no government” post. And arenʻt you of the mindset that government is not currently living up to some figment of your imagination.....kinda thing?
 
tenacious said:
But that's sort of what draws people to him. The big brother is going to take care of you message really sells.
I just think some people are just naturally weaker and more afraid and get a sense of comfort from the message.
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Kinda like “if you like your health care.....” and QE kind of big brother policies.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Show me my “no government” post. And arenʻt you of the mindset that government is not currently living up to some figment of your imagination.....kinda thing?
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Okay...

Bruddah IZ said:
Government makes a lot of sub par promises.
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And of course from here it went to me asking as compared to what. To which you answered non-government promises. Which brings us back here to the top of this post. Or to paraphrase Teddy Roosevelt; if you're going to complain, without offering an explanation of how you'd like it to work... is called whinnying.

I'm happy to circle back around and explain it again-
 
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tenacious said:
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And of course from here it went to me asking as compared to what. To which you answered non-government promises. Which brings us back here to the top of this post. Or to paraphrase Teddy Roosevelt; if you're going to complain, without offering an explanation of how you'd like it to work... is called whinnying.

I'm happy to circle back around and explain it again-
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Lol!
So nothing that says I want “no government”. Not very tenacious.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Kinda like “if you like your health care.....” and QE kind of big brother policies.
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Well... healthcare is kind of funny. In that the Europeans for example tend to have heavily regulated healthcare markets. And not only do they pay less, but they live as long and in survey after survey rate as living happier lives then Americans. Cheaper and happier... wow I like the sound of that.

Now remind me again Bubs, what was your plan? Go back to the pre-Obamacare days where healthcare costs was the #1 cause of personal bankruptcy in America? Yikes
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Lol!
So nothing that says I want “no government”. Not very tenacious.
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What do you want from me bubs? It's hard to be tenacious with a whiner...
I mean, how dare I ask for an example of how bub's would like to see the government run in a thread about how the government is run! haha
 
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