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nononono said:
You do not own/run a business from what I see in the post.....

First off No business owner would stipulate what you've just posted.

Secondly, any business owner will state that to operate properly you must first consider Profit and Loss.
Expenditures ( Employee costs are the first and primary consideration ), a true Business owner will
pay his employees a fair wage....but only as much as he absolutely has too..
You have presented an employee based argument for wages you deem fair, not from the employers
side....

Why would you arbitrarily list $ 65,000 to $ 300,000 and in the same paragraph list $ 15.00 as a base wage ?

$ 15.00 an hour is approximately $ 28,800 a year gross.. barely enough to reside on.
$ 65,000 a year is approximately $ 33.80 an hour. Not a fantastic wage, but livable.
$ 300,000 a year is approximately $ 151.51 an hour, now that's a wage to cackle about. But you better work your
damn ass off if you want me to sign those checks.

I'm not even going to explain to you the numbers needed to pay a wage in the third tier, as you should be quite clear on
risks to gain running a Private business in California in that bracket.

If you perhaps do run a business, you need some basic counseling on numbers....
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I'm a little surprised all the Dr. Pritchett's of the world aren't barking Equal Opportunity or Inequality.
 
xav10 said:
I get all my info from Downtrend.com. That's why I'm smart, but incredibly ill-informed. Dude, wake up and read facts presented to you from legitimate sources. Ya' know, like that book learnin' and stuff that we respected back when America was great and before we turned into a nation of dumbshits who don't know anything.
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So you think we should pay dumb shits $15 an hour?
 
nononono said:
You do not own/run a business from what I see in the post.....

First off No business owner would stipulate what you've just posted.

Secondly, any business owner will state that to operate properly you must first consider Profit and Loss.
Expenditures ( Employee costs are the first and primary consideration ), a true Business owner will
pay his employees a fair wage....but only as much as he absolutely has too..
You have presented an employee based argument for wages you deem fair, not from the employers
side....

Why would you arbitrarily list $ 65,000 to $ 300,000 and in the same paragraph list $ 15.00 as a base wage ?

$ 15.00 an hour is approximately $ 28,800 a year gross.. barely enough to reside on.
$ 65,000 a year is approximately $ 33.80 an hour. Not a fantastic wage, but livable.
$ 300,000 a year is approximately $ 151.51 an hour, now that's a wage to cackle about. But you better work your
damn ass off if you want me to sign those checks.

I'm not even going to explain to you the numbers needed to pay a wage in the third tier, as you should be quite clear on
risks to gain running a Private business in California in that bracket.

If you perhaps do run a business, you need some basic counseling on numbers....
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You lost me with the line about paying employees only what "he absolutely has to." I don't buy it and I'm enriched (in a variety of ways) by taking a different view. It's about productivity and stability and continuity. I want my skilled labor with extensive customer contact to operate at a high level.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
So you think we should pay dumb shits $15 an hour?
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Yes, I think we should. I don't buy the argument that it's counter-productive to business. My Repyblican friends were all so quick to say, upon Obama's election, " taxes too high, none of my kids will grow up in California." But who just left? Nestle, the worst corporation in the world. Seems like most are staying. And as somebody else on here said, if you can't hack it here because of labor protection, etc., then move to Oklahoma or somewhere.
 
xav10 said:
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Age of Poster 18 - 25 at best......
 
xav10 said:
You lost me with the line about paying employees only what "he absolutely has to." I don't buy it and I'm enriched (in a variety of ways) by taking a different view. It's about productivity and stability and continuity. I want my skilled labor with extensive customer contact to operate at a high level.
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We can play all day, but it will cut into your pay.

You do not own a Business, but if you wish to Lie....That's Ok.

Enjoy your summer time on this forum before you go back to the Liberal Educational Prison you are attending....

Just remember, I don't pull punches nor do any of the other members both Liberal and Conservative......
 
xav10 said:
You lost me with the line about paying employees only what "he absolutely has to." I don't buy it and I'm enriched (in a variety of ways) by taking a different view. It's about productivity and stability and continuity. I want my skilled labor with extensive customer contact to operate at a high level.
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So does McDonalds.
 
xav10 said:
Yes, I think we should. I don't buy the argument that it's counter-productive to business. My Repyblican friends were all so quick to say, upon Obama's election, " taxes too high, none of my kids will grow up in California." But who just left? Nestle, the worst corporation in the world. Seems like most are staying. And as somebody else on here said, if you can't hack it here because of labor protection, etc., then move to Oklahoma or somewhere.
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Exactly, people don't need a living wage. They need luggage and a U-haul.
 
nononono said:
We can play all day, but it will cut into your pay.

You do not own a Business, but if you wish to Lie....That's Ok.

Enjoy your summer time on this forum before you go back to the Liberal Educational Prison you are attending....

Just remember, I don't pull punches nor do any of the other members both Liberal and Conservative......
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I am not lying. You can't handle someone who views these things more expansively, can you, Mr. Snowflake? Let me show you how to make more money. And I have 3 sons (24, 12 and 10) and I am also in favor of high inheritance taxes. It's not their money! And look what inherited wealth does to our youth and our nation's ability to create equal opportunities in business and elsewhere. All the money stays at the top and it's not earned. I own a business. My own business. True story, Snowflake.
 
xav10 said:
I am not lying. You can't handle someone who views these things more expansively, can you, Mr. Snowflake? Let me show you how to make more money. And I have 3 sons (24, 12 and 10) and I am also in favor of high inheritance taxes. It's not their money! And look what inherited wealth does to our youth and our nation's ability to create equal opportunities in business and elsewhere. All the money stays at the top and it's not earned. I own a business. My own business. True story, Snowflake.
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The money always stays at the top. The same people don't stay at the top with that money. Equal Opportunity is grand isn't it?
 
Bruddah IZ said:
The money always stays at the top. The same people don't stay at the top with that money. Equal Opportunity is grand isn't it?
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The same people don't stay at the top? I think they do, give or take the real disruptive pioneers like tech and other entrepreneurs. I thought most wealth now is inherited.
 
xav10 said:
The same people don't stay at the top? I think they do, give or take the real disruptive pioneers like tech and other entrepreneurs. I thought most wealth now is inherited.
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How can you be for meritocracy and support min wage mandates? You expect your boys to earn their keep. Why not everyone else?
 
Bruddah IZ said:
How can you be for meritocracy and support min wage mandates? You expect your boys to earn their keep. Why not everyone else?
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Because unskilled labor has zero bargaining power and I don't admire the labor practices of places like China where people work for $1/day. We are a wealthier nation who can afford to do better, with working conditions, wages, etc. So yes, I think those people that can't really cut it need a baseline salary, and that salary should be enough to not live in squalor.
 
xav10 said:
You lost me with the line about paying employees only what "he absolutely has to." I don't buy it and I'm enriched (in a variety of ways) by taking a different view. It's about productivity and stability and continuity. I want my skilled labor with extensive customer contact to operate at a high level.
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Skilled labor is one thing.
Unskilled entry level, first time, minimum wage earners is another....
 
xav10 said:
Because unskilled labor has zero bargaining power and I don't admire the labor practices of places like China where people work for $1/day. We are a wealthier nation who can afford to do better, with working conditions, wages, etc. So yes, I think those people that can't really cut it need a baseline salary, and that salary should be enough to not live in squalor.
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Unskilled labor has zero bargaining power because government took away the right of people to negotiate their own wages or labor cost. You people and your one size fits all policies do much more harm than good. Always remember that the true minimum wage is and always has been $zero.
 
xav10 said:
Because unskilled labor has zero bargaining power and I don't admire the labor practices of places like China where people work for $1/day. We are a wealthier nation who can afford to do better, with working conditions, wages, etc. So yes, I think those people that can't really cut it need a baseline salary, and that salary should be enough to not live in squalor.
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When Chinese workers are working for a dollar a day I often wonder what they were working for before that.
 
xav10 said:
Because unskilled labor has zero bargaining power and I don't admire the labor practices of places like China where people work for $1/day. We are a wealthier nation who can afford to do better, with working conditions, wages, etc. So yes, I think those people that can't really cut it need a baseline salary, and that salary should be enough to not live in squalor.
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What do you mean by "people that can't really cut it"?
 
California lost 9,000 business HQs and expansions, mostly to Texas, 7-year study says

Roughly 9,000 California companies moved their headquarters or diverted projects to out-of-state locations in the last seven years, and Dallas-Fort Worth has been a prime beneficiary of the Golden State’s “hostile” business environment.

That’s the conclusion of study by Joseph Vranich, a site selection consultant and president of Irvine, California-based Spectrum Location Solutions.

Of the 9,000 businesses that he estimates disinvested in California, some relocated completely while others kept their headquarters in California but targeted out-of-state locations for expansions, Vranich found. The report did not count instances of companies opening a new out-of-state facility to tap a growing market, an act unrelated to California’s business environment.

Japanese automaker Toyota, which is consolidating its North American headquarters in Plano over the next couple of years, is one of those companies. The company is leaving Torrance, California, and two other locations to set up shop in Plano, where it will employ 4,000.

It’s typical for companies leaving California to experience operating cost savings of 20 up to 35 percent, Vranich said. He said in an email to the Dallas Business Journal that he considers the results of the seven-year, 378-page study “astonishing.”

http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/b...a-lost-9-000-business-hqs-and-expansions.html
 
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