It wouldn’t be so bad except that the punishment for even an unintentional one in the box is a pk. And the pk is so close to goal that it almost always converts. Somethings going to have to give: either fix the pk rule or modify again the handball rule.
It wouldn’t be so bad except that the punishment for even an unintentional one in the box is a pk. And the pk is so close to goal that it almost always converts. Somethings going to have to give: either fix the pk rule or modify again the handball rule.
The call was hard to make before the change, but at least it was logical. Now defenders are being called for almost all contact - except I did see one waved off when a ball hit a defender's hand in front of her torso.
I'm not recommending this, but -- I am wondering if some player might without warning kick a ball at a referee from three yards away and then ask him why he didn't put his hands up to defend himself.
Surfref
PREMIER
Why? I have not been able to watch any of the games.
Plays that would have been clear cases of ball-to-hand in the past are now passed to VAR for newly-refined judgment.
Soccer Dad & Ref
SILVER ELITE
That arm position is as natural as the Hotspurs player in the CL final. Not very natural to me. Why do that in the PA?
Good article except it misses that the problem got worse due to the recent modifications in the handball rule, which were applied as guidance both in the CL playoffs and WWC.
Surfref
PREMIER
I agree with a lot the article has to say. You will still get referees to differ on what they believe is deliberate handling.
As written, the new LOTG have dramatically reduced the importance of deliberate (the concept of hand to ball is also gone). Maybe application will be different, but based on what I've seen so far in WWC it doesn't appear to be so.
As a matter, of note the summary of LOTG changes mentions that handballs can be "accidental", the actual LOTG for 19/20 doesn't use that term.
Soccer Dad & Ref
SILVER ELITE
Love this from the article:
As for the handball rule, its scope should be reduced. Only intentional ones should be whistled, no matter where on the field they occur. As long as players aren’t swatting at balls, or blocking them like a keeper would, or picking them up and running like an American footballer would, why, exactly, do we need to police them so strictly?
Now, “intentional,” to be clear, would include even the slightest instinctive movement of the arm into a position that could possibly make it more likely to come into contact with the ball. But that 50/50 challenge in midfield where the ball randomly pops up and hits an arm? Please, just play on.
As for the handball rule, its scope should be reduced. Only intentional ones should be whistled, no matter where on the field they occur. As long as players aren’t swatting at balls, or blocking them like a keeper would, or picking them up and running like an American footballer would, why, exactly, do we need to police them so strictly?
Now, “intentional,” to be clear, would include even the slightest instinctive movement of the arm into a position that could possibly make it more likely to come into contact with the ball. But that 50/50 challenge in midfield where the ball randomly pops up and hits an arm? Please, just play on.
Tea and Busquets
SILVER
There is specific mention of both hand to ball and the term "accidental" is in there as well, actually.
Deliberate now means exactly that, a very deliberate action of handling the ball.
Overall, I think the handball rewrite makes it clearer and easier to understand. It requires more thinking, but less understanding of the game, if that makes sense.
Ok my reading comprehension is a little off. There is reference to ball to hand, but only as a subset of possible infractions not as a primary consideraton as it was in the previous laws.
In the actual new text of the laws "accidental" is only mentioned as it relates to goals scored off a hand/arm.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xKmACRxr4OXkg_nJ9dAHX7XOY3C_ikb5/view
• scores in the opponents’ goal directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental,
including by the goalkeeper
However, in the LOTG changes summary (as opposed to the actual text of the law), IFAB had "accidental" applying to all the primary handball offences: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1A76gwnR9lW9nA2w2nyAj74y5s-W1BtNt/view
• The following ‘handball’ situations, even if accidental, will be a free kick:
• the ball goes into the goal after touching an attacking player’s hand/arm
• a player gains control/possession of the ball after it has touches their hand/arm
and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity
• the ball touches a player’s hand/arm which has made their body unnaturally
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• the ball touches a player’s hand/arm when it is above their shoulder (unless the
player has deliberately played the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
Based on what I've seen in the WWC they clearly are considering that a handball can be "accidental" and still an offence in all handball situations. PK's are now being awarded for obviously accidental handballs inside the box solely because a players hand was away from their body but still in a natural position. This seems harsh to me, particularly when you consider most of the PK calls were on crosses and not shots on frame from the attacker. If I'm an attacker and don't have an open teammate in the box then I'm certainly going to try and kick the ball at an opponents hand. I appreciate the concept of promoting attacking soccer, but defenders are going to be severely hamstrung by having to play with their arms behind their backs and not raising their arms above their shoulders for a header (which makes it impossible to reach any sort of height to clear the ball in the air).
Agree but I highly doubt an organization as arrogant as the IFAB is going to admit they made a mistake by going backwards, particularly given the lobby that pushed for the change. Given as well the controversies of goalkeepers leaving the line and VAR review out of this WWC, and given that with enforcement of that rule it's an automatic goal given to the team awarded the penalty, it's time for a change to the penalty rule. Noting that the IFAB will likely never move the spot back (and therefore require a reworking of thousands upon thousands of pitches around the world), maybe the time to consider the proposal to change most fouls (except egregious ones and DOGSO) in the box to DFKs. Another tweak which would be less intrusive but also fix the VAR issue is to allow the goalkeeper to move as soon as the ref whistles.
coachrefparent
GOLD
How about this? DOGSO PK is taken at the 12, and all others taken at the 18?
It would make it easier for the GK's if it was 6 yards closer, is that your intent?
That doesn't solve the field remarking problem.
coachrefparent
GOLD
coachrefparent
GOLD
No need to reline anything. 18 yards is already marked, just spot in line with the PK spot, directly in the center.
The "D" is there for a reason.