What happened to THE Luis Andres thread?

Emma said:
Luis, you're probably not the most eloquent of people but you seem to have your heart in the right place. There's no solution but patience, time, and support for bench players. It will make your daughter a better player, the team a better team, and will be great for youth soccer overall bc bench players may be the unicorns of tomorrow. Good job on offering help but just make sure it's welcomed. Probably need to think and edit a lot before you post bc there are lots of lawyers on this forum that will tear it apart. A lot of what you type can easily be negatively interpreted as attack on children and people are rightfully defensive about that. She's your kid, you know how smart she is and how much pushing vs freedom she needs. You probably are aware that she needs her "fun" activities too and are making appropriate time for it. She is under 10 and you never know what happens from now until her eligibility for USWNT arrives, so make sure she (and the people around her) enjoy the long journey that may end quickly. Good luck to your daughter, her team mates, and your family. Hope she makes the USWNT one day or grow up to be a happy and confident woman.
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Well said:)
 
Emma said:
Luis, you're probably not the most eloquent of people but you seem to have your heart in the right place. There's no solution but patience, time, and support for bench players. It will make your daughter a better player, the team a better team, and will be great for youth soccer overall bc bench players may be the unicorns of tomorrow. Good job on offering help but just make sure it's welcomed. Probably need to think and edit a lot before you post bc there are lots of lawyers on this forum that will tear it apart. A lot of what you type can easily be negatively interpreted as attack on children and people are rightfully defensive about that. She's your kid, you know how smart she is and how much pushing vs freedom she needs. You probably are aware that she needs her "fun" activities too and are making appropriate time for it. She is under 10 and you never know what happens from now until her eligibility for USWNT arrives, so make sure she (and the people around her) enjoy the long journey that may end quickly. Good luck to your daughter, her team mates, and your family. Hope she makes the USWNT one day or grow up to be a happy and confident woman.
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You don’t post enough.:D Good stuff on your last two. Especially the notes.:cool:
 
SoccerFan4Life said:
Us parents get so infatuated with youth soccer that you end up pushing your child away from the sport without realizing.

A friend of mine had a situation in his team where the kid would hate the long talks after a game on the ride back home. One day the child had a really bad game and she warned her dad that she didn’t want to hear any criticism from the dad on the ride home or she would quit soccer.

The dad couldn’t hold it and started talking to her about how bad she played. That was the last day that 13 year kid played soccer.
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That blows. I go out of my way to discuss all of the good stuff my daughter does in a game during the post mortems, even when the outcome was less than positive. My Father was the same and I never quit any sports.
 
LASTMAN14 said:
You don’t post enough.:D Good stuff on your last two. Especially the notes.:cool:
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I'm scared if I post too much, I might get a "What happened to THE Emma thread" one day. Plus, looking back at my post, I see a bunch of grammar problems too. Kicker4Life seems like a nice person but has been on the look for grammar flaws of late.
 
Emma said:
I'm scared if I post too much, I might get a "What happened to THE Emma thread" one day. Plus, looking back at my post, I see a bunch of grammar problems too. Kicker4Life seems like a nice person but has been on the look for grammar flaws of late.
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K4L is a good guy. Known him forever.
 
Luis Andres said:
I guess you can say I came off too strong with my viewpoints and women got offended that’s it. But now after they saw what I’ve done with my DD they all are doing the extra trainings and following suit. I was the one telling them that 2 practices a week ain’t gonna cut it if they want to develop their DD’s faster.
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Many kids that over train at young ages (your DDs team age group) quit playing earlier due to overuse injuries. Some kids can definitely handle it. Sure sign of overuse as the kids grow are when they are slower when they should be faster, regular injuries, nagging injuries. That was part of the 80%/20% in the last thread that parents who have been there/done that were trying to tell you. They were trying to save you... from yourself. Remember, it's what the kids can do, not what they can not do.
 
Emma said:
I'm scared if I post too much, I might get a "What happened to THE Emma thread" one day. Plus, looking back at my post, I see a bunch of grammar problems too. Kicker4Life seems like a nice person but has been on the look for grammar flaws of late.
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You have nothing to worry about! That “grammar” post had a hidden agenda. My grammar is terrible!
 
justified said:
Many kids that over train at young ages (your DDs team age group) quit playing earlier due to overuse injuries. Some kids can definitely handle it. Sure sign of overuse as the kids grow are when they are slower when they should be faster, regular injuries, nagging injuries. That was part of the 80%/20% in the last thread that parents who have been there/done that were trying to tell you. They were trying to save you... from yourself. Remember, it's what the kids can do, not what they can not do.
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What would someone consider over training for the kids in the 2010-2007 range?
 
Luis Andres said:
I never directly said we lost cause of her. It’s the team that lost.
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Let us review the title of your original post shall we.

"How to deal with bench players costing the team from getting deep into the Big Tournaments"

Now my English might not be that good, but that sure seems like you are saying your DD's team is losing because of bench players.

If I am wrong, how else should I read the title of your post?
 
SBGCDALife said:
What would someone consider over training for the kids in the 2010-2007 range?
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Good question. I was specifically pointing to pushing kids beyond what they are actually able to do. A club team of kids that age, 2 practices is good, my opinion. His kid could handle more, apparently, but to say that the others could, at that age, was likely pushing kids beyond their limit. In trying to save him from himself, other parents are telling him to dial back the mental and the physical. I think there's a big difference from a 2010 to a 2007. A 12 year old can handle a lot more than a 9 year old. Personally, 2 trainings / week is good plus a game. If there's more it shouldn't be about fitness. Speaking from experience, I've seen fewer kids who could handle more than those who could, just because the kids are growing a lot at that age and there's an easy opportunity to overdo it on a foundation that is not set yet. Looking at those kids now, who were doing 3/trainings a week, multiple tournaments, before hitting the teenage years, looking back I see plantar fasciitis, Osgood Slaughter, etc. (not just soccer, since all sports push it now at younger ages). And for the kids who could handle it, those kids are thriving. But do a little research on elite basketball players, many had severe injuries before leaving HS.
 
justified said:
Good question. I was specifically pointing to pushing kids beyond what they are actually able to do. A club team of kids that age, 2 practices is good, my opinion. His kid could handle more, apparently, but to say that the others could, at that age, was likely pushing kids beyond their limit. In trying to save him from himself, other parents are telling him to dial back the mental and the physical. I think there's a big difference from a 2010 to a 2007. A 12 year old can handle a lot more than a 9 yearHS.
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I agree that between 12 and 9 there’s a huge range. At 9 maximum 2 team practices and an additional skills or private training. If a keeper maybe add keeper training assuming the kid is willing and able.

I do think 2 teams during the season (even if one is rec) is a bit much.

If the kid without prompting and without cleats wants to bang on a wall or play at school without adult prompting more power to them
 
Isn’t doing like three tournaments a month and sometimes playing 3-5 games that weekend over training? What other sport in this world professional or amateur other than youth soccer plays 3-5 games in one weekend?? Plus 2-4 days of practice during the week. Point being coaches and clubs that run these tournaments don’t give a damn about over training or protecting the kids because there is too much money to be made. A one tournament rule per month per team should be enforced with something like only doing a recovery session the following week of a tournament instead of right back to regular training schedule
 
Didn’t Luis admit he went about the previous post the wrong way. Let’s let it go and give him helpful and constructive advice. My advice Luis is to let it go as far as the bench player is concerned. You can’t control that situation and it’s up to the coach. I would either get on board with what the coach is doing if you believe in him or keep trying out at different clubs/teams until you find what fits for you and your daughter roster wise from top to bottom. I feel no matter what players on any team will never all be on the same level.
 
It’s not always the best most skillful players that deserve to be on a team. A lot of times it’s attitude, work ethic, are they a cancer to team chemistry or do they add to it?, are they coachable and other factors that can’t be measured by stats or just plain skill. Honestly if you want to control the roster and have the final say and make cuts or anything has to do with developing a team why not become a coach?
 
i Believe at this age all players should play equally and different positions. The only way to get that “bench player” comfortable in big games is letting him/her play, make mistakes and learn from them. The coach should be the one creating the culture of team where not everything hinges on if won or lost the game or tournament. Tournaments, rankings shouldn’t even matter if the coach/club is really about development. No is getting scouted or recruited by colleges or professional teams. This is the time to play, make mistakes, develop and have fun.
 
My youngest is 10 and my oldest is 20. Trust me the kid dominating at U10 etc. doesn’t translate to him/her being that same beast as they get older. If your kid loves the game and wants to be a “pro” or play in college the hustle, desire, work ethic, discipline and all else that it takes will come from within our own kids. If they say I want to be the best or this and that then I would consider the extra training and all that and see how the kid responds. I always say listen to what they are saying but pay more attention to their actions.
 
2 things:

1) I asked a doctor for my daughter’s 10 year old physical, how much is too much when it comes to training or physical activity at young ages for girls. His answer: if they want to play, let them play. If they’re not complaining or asking for a break, let them play. As the girls get older, listen to them about how they feel and modify their schedule.

2) Luis Andres, 2 mistakes in all of this; putting your mentality out there, as in for acceptance or approval from others (obviously that backfired), and your priorities of results over development. And no, they do not go together. It’s OK to be a very involved parent and help your kids develop. I do it all the time. My daughter is 11 and soccer is a huge part of our life. 5-7 days a week, year round. However, I NEVER care about what other girls on her team are doing/not doing. I NEVER worry about results. And most importantly, I don’t think my daughter is better than anyone else. She has 1 goal in life, and that is to graduate college and live a good life, something me and my wife couldn’t do.
 
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