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The source of the information should have some merit regardless of their ideology. However if the information is accurate and while slightly biased in exposing some facts, that shouldn't negate that it content has value. The links bring a side of conversation and I believe answers the question of why. I don't have to agree with everything in the links to share it for those that may not have had a different understanding of the situation. It was never a black and white answer. To chose a side and not offer a legitimate solution, then you will never have any progress.
Don't waste your time with Espola. All he wants to do is take you down a rabbit hole...
 
At the time, yes, it was very sad to see that this young man, age 10 or 11 was going to go through life without a mother. I attended her funeral and needed another one at the time.

Are you asking if I still need one? The answer is no. Why did you ask? Are you trying to be funny? Minimize the reason for why I believe a certain way?
you're not allowed to have an opinion other than "theirs". the people who supposedly champion equality are frauds. they prove it over and over.
 
Looks like the left is not so tolerant, who knew?
USWNT’s Ashlyn Harris Blasts Former Christian Teammate: 'You Are Homophobic'

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WARNER TODD HUSTON 16 Jul 2019
U.S. Women’s soccer player Ashlyn Harris ripped former teammate Jaelene Hinkle, who is a proud Christian, calling her “homophobic.”

Hinkle was cut from the World Cup-winning team at the end of last season before the team headed to France for the Women’s World Cup and in interviews, she hinted that her participation was ended more because she is a staunch Christian than because of her playing abilities.
But Harris went on the attack against Hinkle, according to the New York Post.

“Hinkle, our team is about inclusion. Your religion was never the problem. The problem is your intolerance, and you are homophobic,” said Harris, who is gay. “You don’t belong in a sport that aims to unite and bring people together. You would never fit into our pack or what this team stands for,” Harris added.

Hinkle has never said anything in public against gays as human beings. But she spoke up against gay marriage in the past. In 2015, for instance, in the midst of debate about gay marriage, she notedthat a Christian can’t pick and choose what Bible-based ideals they want to follow. And in 2017 she refused to wear a gay pride jersey.

“I just felt so convicted in my spirit that it wasn’t my job to wear this jersey,” Hinkle told 700 Club about the gay pride jersey incident. “I’m essentially giving up the one dream little girls dream about their entire lives. It was very disappointing. I knew in my spirit I was doing the right thing. I knew I was being obedient.”

But Harris continued to insist that Hinkle is homophobic.

“Don’t you dare say our team is ‘not a welcoming place for Christians,'” Harris said.”You weren’t around long enough to know what this team stood for. This is actually an insult to the Christians on our team. [Shame] on you.”


 
Looks like the left is not so tolerant, who knew?
USWNT’s Ashlyn Harris Blasts Former Christian Teammate: 'You Are Homophobic'
fifa-via-getty.jpg

FIFA via Getty Images
WARNER TODD HUSTON 16 Jul 2019
U.S. Women’s soccer player Ashlyn Harris ripped former teammate Jaelene Hinkle, who is a proud Christian, calling her “homophobic.”

Hinkle was cut from the World Cup-winning team at the end of last season before the team headed to France for the Women’s World Cup and in interviews, she hinted that her participation was ended more because she is a staunch Christian than because of her playing abilities.
But Harris went on the attack against Hinkle, according to the New York Post.

“Hinkle, our team is about inclusion. Your religion was never the problem. The problem is your intolerance, and you are homophobic,” said Harris, who is gay. “You don’t belong in a sport that aims to unite and bring people together. You would never fit into our pack or what this team stands for,” Harris added.

Hinkle has never said anything in public against gays as human beings. But she spoke up against gay marriage in the past. In 2015, for instance, in the midst of debate about gay marriage, she notedthat a Christian can’t pick and choose what Bible-based ideals they want to follow. And in 2017 she refused to wear a gay pride jersey.

“I just felt so convicted in my spirit that it wasn’t my job to wear this jersey,” Hinkle told 700 Club about the gay pride jersey incident. “I’m essentially giving up the one dream little girls dream about their entire lives. It was very disappointing. I knew in my spirit I was doing the right thing. I knew I was being obedient.”

But Harris continued to insist that Hinkle is homophobic.

“Don’t you dare say our team is ‘not a welcoming place for Christians,'” Harris said.”You weren’t around long enough to know what this team stood for. This is actually an insult to the Christians on our team. [Shame] on you.”


Come on bro let's not go there. Let's enjoy the win. This was the right team because this is the team that won.
 
Looks like the left is not so tolerant, who knew?
USWNT’s Ashlyn Harris Blasts Former Christian Teammate: 'You Are Homophobic'
fifa-via-getty.jpg

FIFA via Getty Images
WARNER TODD HUSTON 16 Jul 2019
U.S. Women’s soccer player Ashlyn Harris ripped former teammate Jaelene Hinkle, who is a proud Christian, calling her “homophobic.”

Hinkle was cut from the World Cup-winning team at the end of last season before the team headed to France for the Women’s World Cup and in interviews, she hinted that her participation was ended more because she is a staunch Christian than because of her playing abilities.
But Harris went on the attack against Hinkle, according to the New York Post.

“Hinkle, our team is about inclusion. Your religion was never the problem. The problem is your intolerance, and you are homophobic,” said Harris, who is gay. “You don’t belong in a sport that aims to unite and bring people together. You would never fit into our pack or what this team stands for,” Harris added.

Hinkle has never said anything in public against gays as human beings. But she spoke up against gay marriage in the past. In 2015, for instance, in the midst of debate about gay marriage, she notedthat a Christian can’t pick and choose what Bible-based ideals they want to follow. And in 2017 she refused to wear a gay pride jersey.

“I just felt so convicted in my spirit that it wasn’t my job to wear this jersey,” Hinkle told 700 Club about the gay pride jersey incident. “I’m essentially giving up the one dream little girls dream about their entire lives. It was very disappointing. I knew in my spirit I was doing the right thing. I knew I was being obedient.”

But Harris continued to insist that Hinkle is homophobic.

“Don’t you dare say our team is ‘not a welcoming place for Christians,'” Harris said.”You weren’t around long enough to know what this team stood for. This is actually an insult to the Christians on our team. [Shame] on you.”


It's payback time.
 
So by that remark you agree that the remarks by Harris are wrong?

Not at all. Exodus 21:24.

Harris is a patriot who supports equality as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States. Hinkle, on the other hand, is a bigot who does not. The last time I checked, the Constitution is the law of the land, and the bible is a book from which too many people selectively pick and choose passages to rationalize inappropriate behavior and justify the continuing oppression of others. Harris, like Rosa Parks, is a hero who stands up for equality. Hinkle, like Bull Connor, is a bigot who rationalizes the continuing oppression of others using religion as an excuse. Certainly, Parks was a much greater hero when you put things in context, but it is much more fun living in an era when someone like Harris can stand up for herself and also publicly rub Hinkle's bigotry in her face without having to worry too much about being beaten to death.

If Hinkle doesn't like that that she's never going to play in the WC, she should consider moving to a repressive middle eastern country that shares her homophobic views, since she's presumably good enough to at least make most of those squads assuming she's as good as MAP says. Of course, she should avoid countries that require athletes wear hijabs since she would obviously be right back to square one.

I get it. It's hard growing up being constantly told you're entitled to preferential treatment over gay folk, only to have the U.S. Supreme Court tell you that you only get the same rights as everyone else. I can't imagine how difficult it must be for someone to spend their entire life pointing to the bible to justify being an a**hole, only to have that away.
 
Not at all. Exodus 21:24.

Harris is a patriot who supports equality as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States. Hinkle, on the other hand, is a bigot who does not. The last time I checked, the Constitution is the law of the land, and the bible is a book from which too many people selectively pick and choose passages to rationalize inappropriate behavior and justify the continuing oppression of others. Harris, like Rosa Parks, is a hero who stands up for equality. Hinkle, like Bull Connor, is a bigot who rationalizes the continuing oppression of others using religion as an excuse. Certainly, Parks was a much greater hero when you put things in context, but it is much more fun living in an era when someone like Harris can stand up for herself and also publicly rub Hinkle's bigotry in her face without having to worry too much about being beaten to death.

If Hinkle doesn't like that that she's never going to play in the WC, she should consider moving to a repressive middle eastern country that shares her homophobic views, since she's presumably good enough to at least make most of those squads assuming she's as good as MAP says. Of course, she should avoid countries that require athletes wear hijabs since she would obviously be right back to square one.

I get it. It's hard growing up being constantly told you're entitled to preferential treatment over gay folk, only to have the U.S. Supreme Court tell you that you only get the same rights as everyone else. I can't imagine how difficult it must be for someone to spend their entire life pointing to the bible to justify being an a**hole, only to have that away.

Nobody has anything against gay people. Who cares. I also don't agree with Hinkle's perspective and opinions regarding LGBTQ people. All that I care about is her soccer ability and to say that she isn't one of the best leftbacks in the world is disingenuous at best. I don't think that anybody should be discriminated against for their race, religion, sexual orientation, gender, socio-economic status, family, etc.

What you need to do is to go to the off topic and rage against the true bigots in that forum. They will give you all of the fight that you are looking for.
 
Not at all. Exodus 21:24.

Harris is a patriot who supports equality as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States. Hinkle, on the other hand, is a bigot who does not. The last time I checked, the Constitution is the law of the land, and the bible is a book from which too many people selectively pick and choose passages to rationalize inappropriate behavior and justify the continuing oppression of others. Harris, like Rosa Parks, is a hero who stands up for equality. Hinkle, like Bull Connor, is a bigot who rationalizes the continuing oppression of others using religion as an excuse. Certainly, Parks was a much greater hero when you put things in context, but it is much more fun living in an era when someone like Harris can stand up for herself and also publicly rub Hinkle's bigotry in her face without having to worry too much about being beaten to death.

If Hinkle doesn't like that that she's never going to play in the WC, she should consider moving to a repressive middle eastern country that shares her homophobic views, since she's presumably good enough to at least make most of those squads assuming she's as good as MAP says. Of course, she should avoid countries that require athletes wear hijabs since she would obviously be right back to square one.

I get it. It's hard growing up being constantly told you're entitled to preferential treatment over gay folk, only to have the U.S. Supreme Court tell you that you only get the same rights as everyone else. I can't imagine how difficult it must be for someone to spend their entire life pointing to the bible to justify being an a**hole, only to have that away.
Why the Bible quote? And why do you have so much hate?
 
Nobody has anything against gay people. Who cares. I also don't agree with Hinkle's perspective and opinions regarding LGBTQ people. All that I care about is her soccer ability and to say that she isn't one of the best leftbacks in the world is disingenuous at best. I don't think that anybody should be discriminated against for their race, religion, sexual orientation, gender, socio-economic status, family, etc.

To be inclusive, doesn't mean you have to accept everything that everyone on the team says. Tossing the word homophobic is a quick way to say that someone hates homosexuals. A true Christian, doesn't hate the person, merely the actions. Example, you don't have to hate a sinner, just don't approve of the sin. We are all sinners, so I don't think anyone has the right to discriminate. Yet Hinkle's choice to not want to wear a jersey that clearly supports a value that she doesn't agree with doesn't make her homophobic. If Rapinoe can chose to not to stand and not put her right hand over her heart and sing the national anthem. Why can't Hinkle simply play and not have to wear the rainbow jersey. What if a Muslim player had made the team, and asked for the same thing with her beliefs about not wearing the jersey. Would the same outrage be heard, and would her team mates be called Islamophobic.

Rodney King said it pretty well " Can't we all get along."
 
Not at all. Exodus 21:24.

Harris is a patriot who supports equality as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States. Hinkle, on the other hand, is a bigot who does not. The last time I checked, the Constitution is the law of the land, and the bible is a book from which too many people selectively pick and choose passages to rationalize inappropriate behavior and justify the continuing oppression of others. Harris, like Rosa Parks, is a hero who stands up for equality. Hinkle, like Bull Connor, is a bigot who rationalizes the continuing oppression of others using religion as an excuse. Certainly, Parks was a much greater hero when you put things in context, but it is much more fun living in an era when someone like Harris can stand up for herself and also publicly rub Hinkle's bigotry in her face without having to worry too much about being beaten to death.

If Hinkle doesn't like that that she's never going to play in the WC, she should consider moving to a repressive middle eastern country that shares her homophobic views, since she's presumably good enough to at least make most of those squads assuming she's as good as MAP says. Of course, she should avoid countries that require athletes wear hijabs since she would obviously be right back to square one.

I get it. It's hard growing up being constantly told you're entitled to preferential treatment over gay folk, only to have the U.S. Supreme Court tell you that you only get the same rights as everyone else. I can't imagine how difficult it must be for someone to spend their entire life pointing to the bible to justify being an a**hole, only to have that away.
Did you know that the book of Exodus was written before the book of Genesis?
 
To be inclusive, doesn't mean you have to accept everything that everyone on the team says. Tossing the word homophobic is a quick way to say that someone hates homosexuals. A true Christian, doesn't hate the person, merely the actions. Example, you don't have to hate a sinner, just don't approve of the sin. We are all sinners, so I don't think anyone has the right to discriminate. Yet Hinkle's choice to not want to wear a jersey that clearly supports a value that she doesn't agree with doesn't make her homophobic. If Rapinoe can chose to not to stand and not put her right hand over her heart and sing the national anthem. Why can't Hinkle simply play and not have to wear the rainbow jersey. What if a Muslim player had made the team, and asked for the same thing with her beliefs about not wearing the jersey. Would the same outrage be heard, and would her team mates be called Islamophobic.

Rodney King said it pretty well " Can't we all get along."

I don't hate religious bigots. Actually, I love them with all my heart. I just hate their actions and therefore use the authority of my moral high ground to oppose their efforts to seek preferential treatment, just as they use what they think is religious high ground to oppose equality. Do you understand now how ludicrous the "hate the sin but not the sinner" argument is? It is just an excuse for religious bigots to feel better about themselves when they oppose the civil rights of others. If you oppose equality and civil rights for the LGBT community and repeatedly speak out about it, as Hinkle does, you are by definition homophobic. Religious bigots no longer get to frame the argument with their twisted logic without getting called out for it, as the patriot Ashlyn Harris made clear. If you're a true Christian and think it is wrong to marry someone of the same sex, don't. There is no legitimate reason to oppose someone else's constitutional right to do so. None.

I didn't bring up Hinkle, and I'll stop talking about her here just as soon as others stop falsely accusing Ellis and USSF of excluding her because of her religion. As soon as they stop falsely claiming that USSF is a public entity and therefore must allow homophobes like her to play even when they aren't good enough on the merits. If you want to move on, then follow your advice instead of trying to tell me you really love the people you are seeking to deprive of their civil rights. But as long as you want to keep talking about it, I'm here.
 
I don't hate religious bigots. Actually, I love them with all my heart. I just hate their actions and therefore use the authority of my moral high ground to oppose their efforts to seek preferential treatment, just as they use what they think is religious high ground to oppose equality. Do you understand now how ludicrous the "hate the sin but not the sinner" argument is? It is just an excuse for religious bigots to feel better about themselves when they oppose the civil rights of others. If you oppose equality and civil rights for the LGBT community and repeatedly speak out about it, as Hinkle does, you are by definition homophobic. Religious bigots no longer get to frame the argument with their twisted logic without getting called out for it, as the patriot Ashlyn Harris made clear. If you're a true Christian and think it is wrong to marry someone of the same sex, don't. There is no legitimate reason to oppose someone else's constitutional right to do so. None.

I didn't bring up Hinkle, and I'll stop talking about her here just as soon as others stop falsely accusing Ellis and USSF of excluding her because of her religion. As soon as they stop falsely claiming that USSF is a public entity and therefore must allow homophobes like her to play even when they aren't good enough on the merits. If you want to move on, then follow your advice instead of trying to tell me you really love the people you are seeking to deprive of their civil rights. But as long as you want to keep talking about it, I'm here.
So what civil rights is Hinkle proposing the Lesbians on the USWNT team be denied?
 
I don't hate religious bigots. Actually, I love them with all my heart. I just hate their actions and therefore use the authority of my moral high ground to oppose their efforts to seek preferential treatment, just as they use what they think is religious high ground to oppose equality. Do you understand now how ludicrous the "hate the sin but not the sinner" argument is? It is just an excuse for religious bigots to feel better about themselves when they oppose the civil rights of others. If you oppose equality and civil rights for the LGBT community and repeatedly speak out about it, as Hinkle does, you are by definition homophobic. Religious bigots no longer get to frame the argument with their twisted logic without getting called out for it, as the patriot Ashlyn Harris made clear. If you're a true Christian and think it is wrong to marry someone of the same sex, don't. There is no legitimate reason to oppose someone else's constitutional right to do so. None.

I didn't bring up Hinkle, and I'll stop talking about her here just as soon as others stop falsely accusing Ellis and USSF of excluding her because of her religion. As soon as they stop falsely claiming that USSF is a public entity and therefore must allow homophobes like her to play even when they aren't good enough on the merits. If you want to move on, then follow your advice instead of trying to tell me you really love the people you are seeking to deprive of their civil rights. But as long as you want to keep talking about it, I'm here.

Hate the sin, but not the sinner. If you think that is ludicrous, then you really don't understand it. You are focusing on one type of sin, example, let's say a family member commits a crime while under the influence. I don't think people will hate the family member, but we can say that we hate that they allowed the sin of being under the influence to cloud their judgement and commit another sin, the crime. The freedom of will allows all of us the choice on how we decide to live. Yet somehow, if the choice to not wear a jersey that empowers a lifestyle that one's faith says is not the right choice. Why is it that homophobic. You simply don't agree and choose not to support it. Kind of like if we lived in a nation that allowed us the freedom of speech. Its a choice, it's and opinion, it's a lifestyle. Where in all this has anyone's civil rights been trampled and denied. The real problem is that as soon as you don't agree with any LGBT stance, you automatically become the bigot, the oppressor, the homophobe. To say Hinkle's talent is not worthy of being on the team and somehow she managed to lose her spot on the team due to her lack of soccer talent. I think that is a shame. Like a said before, had a Muslim made the team, and ventured forth to make the same decision not to wear the rainbow jersey. Everyone would be called Islamophobic.
 
Not at all. Exodus 21:24.

Harris is a patriot who supports equality as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States. Hinkle, on the other hand, is a bigot who does not. The last time I checked, the Constitution is the law of the land, and the bible is a book from which too many people selectively pick and choose passages to rationalize inappropriate behavior and justify the continuing oppression of others. Harris, like Rosa Parks, is a hero who stands up for equality. Hinkle, like Bull Connor, is a bigot who rationalizes the continuing oppression of others using religion as an excuse. Certainly, Parks was a much greater hero when you put things in context, but it is much more fun living in an era when someone like Harris can stand up for herself and also publicly rub Hinkle's bigotry in her face without having to worry too much about being beaten to death.

If Hinkle doesn't like that that she's never going to play in the WC, she should consider moving to a repressive middle eastern country that shares her homophobic views, since she's presumably good enough to at least make most of those squads assuming she's as good as MAP says. Of course, she should avoid countries that require athletes wear hijabs since she would obviously be right back to square one.

I get it. It's hard growing up being constantly told you're entitled to preferential treatment over gay folk, only to have the U.S. Supreme Court tell you that you only get the same rights as everyone else. I can't imagine how difficult it must be for someone to spend their entire life pointing to the bible to justify being an a**hole, only to have that away.

The most fundamental civil right is political freedom. That includes the political freedom to be, in your words, bigoted. It's why the ACLU fought on behalf of the Nationalist Socialist Party's right to march in Skokie (and won).

When did civil rights become limited to messages of equality? That's an extremely myopic view of civil rights. Civil rights are complex and often involve competing interests.

And just so we are clear, I'm an atheist that thinks Hinkle's views are reprehensible. But they are her personal views, which she seemed to have kept to herself until she was asked (similar to Kaepernick). As long as she did not use her position on the national team to promote her views, she should have been on the team if she was qualified. But then again, I don't think anyone should be using the privilege of national team selection to promote personal views - even those I agree with.
 
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