Possession (GK)

Can any Ref's please explain why this rule is so hard to understand and properly enforce? In our semi-final game, the AR and the Ref allow a a girl to clearly kick the ball out of my daughter's hands (yes both hands on the ball, I know only a finger is technically possession)...they allow the goal and that forces PK's....

Seriously, what the hell is so hard about this?

PS. yes, Karma came back and my daughter made a great PK save to win so no sour grapes...just a common observation.
 
In California, we are tougher, and allow keepers to take hits, sorry you have weak kids in AZ.

kidding.

Come on now. You should be careful jumping in on a ref forum and asking about the no-call on your daughter. You're asking to get torn up!!!

I'm sure the referee likely thought the keeper did not have control. Many of us have the view that the attackers have just as much right to fight for the ball as the keeper, as long as it's safe and fair.
 
Actually, you have no right to the ball if it is in the keeper's hands. I am happy to get tore up going straight to a ref forum asking why they can't get this right. I played keeper at various levels so I am not an uniformed soccer dad...I am sure you know that one finger can be possession (not recommended of course)...so again..rather than tell me about getting tore up for coming on the forum, why don't you help me understand how this is one of the most common misses for Refs?
 
I feel just the opposite. If the keeper is within 5 yards of the ball and an offensive player touches it, the whistle blows.

Obviously this is said in jest but I have felt that in our games, the ref is too quick to blow the whistle while the ball appears to be contested by both teams.
In my case its probably a bit of "you see what you want to see"

Having said that, if the keeper has both hands on the ball, I would think it would be clear cut.
 
Actually, you have no right to the ball if it is in the keeper's hands. I am happy to get tore up going straight to a ref forum asking why they can't get this right. I played keeper at various levels so I am not an uniformed soccer dad...I am sure you know that one finger can be possession (not recommended of course)...so again..rather than tell me about getting tore up for coming on the forum, why don't you help me understand how this is one of the most common misses for Refs?

I thought our most common miss was for that "Offsides ref"? Or the throw-ins we can't get right? Or is it the "handball ref!" I just can't get it straight where we mess up the most, sorry!

I know the laws inside and out. Most refs know the laws. I play keeper sometimes too (and love to do the one finger thing to see if the attacker tries to steal it illegally, and if the ref will notice it. I will only do that little game when the attacker is not super close and it is obvious).

If the keeper truly had the ball in possession, then it may have been a missed call. How certain are you (dad, lol), that the keeper had possession and that it wasn't still a free ball?
 
If the keeper truly had the ball in possession, then it may have been a missed call. How certain are you (dad, lol), that the keeper had possession and that it wasn't still a free ball?
I still remember what Vin Skully once said about fans' reaction to a supposed homerun being called a foul ball (I'm paraphrasing): "You need to see it with your eyes instead of with your heart". :)
 
I thought our most common miss was for that "Offsides ref"? Or the throw-ins we can't get right? Or is it the "handball ref!" I just can't get it straight where we mess up the most, sorry!

I know the laws inside and out. Most refs know the laws. I play keeper sometimes too (and love to do the one finger thing to see if the attacker tries to steal it illegally, and if the ref will notice it. I will only do that little game when the attacker is not super close and it is obvious).

If the keeper truly had the ball in possession, then it may have been a missed call. How certain are you (dad, lol), that the keeper had possession and that it wasn't still a free ball?


I am exactly 100%. I have it on film. :)

I didn't say anything to the ref (I am not THAT kind of parent.) My only advice to my daughter was that she should have been even more vocal about but she was cool and didn't let it rattle her at all...she made one huge save in the PK and they won. That could have easily impacted her mentally but she stood in there like a champ.


PS. Don't do the 1 finger thing...they think you are teeing it up for them :D
 
I thought our most common miss was for that "Offsides ref"? Or the throw-ins we can't get right? Or is it the "handball ref!" I just can't get it straight where we mess up the most, sorry!

AR's call that most of the time (offside and throw in), Center can overrule.....that being said, neither of those will directly lead to an injury. I am more concerned about the possession rule as it can lead to serious injuries....have never in all my years seen a serious injury on a bad throw in or offside call.

:):)
 
Can any Ref's please explain why this rule is so hard to understand and properly enforce? In our semi-final game, the AR and the Ref allow a a girl to clearly kick the ball out of my daughter's hands (yes both hands on the ball, I know only a finger is technically possession)...they allow the goal and that forces PK's....

Seriously, what the hell is so hard about this?

PS. yes, Karma came back and my daughter made a great PK save to win so no sour grapes...just a common observation.
It is a personal attack on you and your kid. All of us refs are in on it and it was reinforced at the meeting.
 
Not sure if I posted this here before, but let's just be honest. All refs make mistakes. They are humans, and humans make mistakes. The better refs make the least amount of mistakes and use their AR's and communicate and keep the game safe but fair. No two refs are going the call the game exactly alike, and their positioning on the field varies from everyone else's perspective. With that said, it's fortunate that your DD came out on top, even though it sounds like you are probably right, however all you can do is at least be happy that it worked out. Being part and having been on both sides of good and bad calls, it's just part of the game. Until the technology is implemented and enforced on these games, which really probably don't mean as much as we would like them to mean. I tend to focus on the effort and team effort to play the best they can and try and enjoy the game. Doesn't always work out that way, but that's life.
BTW go ahead and post the clip of your evidence, you will most likely find that 50% will agree with you and no matter how likely you might get most to agree. Someone will see something different.
 
Not sure if I posted this here before, but let's just be honest. All refs make mistakes. They are humans, and humans make mistakes. The better refs make the least amount of mistakes and use their AR's and communicate and keep the game safe but fair. No two refs are going the call the game exactly alike, and their positioning on the field varies from everyone else's perspective. With that said, it's fortunate that your DD came out on top, even though it sounds like you are probably right, however all you can do is at least be happy that it worked out. Being part and having been on both sides of good and bad calls, it's just part of the game. Until the technology is implemented and enforced on these games, which really probably don't mean as much as we would like them to mean. I tend to focus on the effort and team effort to play the best they can and try and enjoy the game. Doesn't always work out that way, but that's life.
BTW go ahead and post the clip of your evidence, you will most likely find that 50% will agree with you and no matter how likely you might get most to agree. Someone will see something different.

I'll go 1 step further and say 1 referee won't call two games alike. Every game is different. I've had some pretty good games and I've had some games where pretty much the sky is falling. With that said, both of my kids are keepers so I'm one that will watch the keeper closely and if they have one finger on the ball, then it's the keeper's ball. But if the keeper doesn't make a clean save and "fumbles" the ball, then it's anyone's ball.
 
Anyone wanna bet that if there’s video of the PKs at the end that there is someone screaming “Karma!!!!” while jogging down the sideline giving/taking high fives?
 
The funny thing is they won! imagine the rant had they not won ...
I would like to hear from the unbiased opposing parents
 
Can any Ref's please explain why this rule is so hard to understand and properly enforce? In our semi-final game, the AR and the Ref allow a a girl to clearly kick the ball out of my daughter's hands (yes both hands on the ball, I know only a finger is technically possession)...they allow the goal and that forces PK's....

Seriously, what the hell is so hard about this?

PS. yes, Karma came back and my daughter made a great PK save to win so no sour grapes...just a common observation.
I'm a little confused. Did your daughter make a great save in the shootout or did Karma make that save? :)
 
Seriously, what the hell is so hard about this?

PS, just being sarcastic. See his first post again.

I'm not sure I would want to post a video of my daughter to this group, lol...
 
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