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I thought someone on the forum said Pep was going to build a locker room for the soccer program and build stands. Is that not the case?
2018 D1 Women's Soccer Talk!!
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SpeedK1llz
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I'm down. Maybe we can get one of the dozen or so NBA players who practice on campus every summer to chip in some of their "lunch money".
Sheriff Joe
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Free.
Know this is a women’s thread but Mohammed Kamara from UCLA men’s team is a real talent. His play, skill, vision are impressive. And he can score too.
Now back to women’s soccer banter.
Sorry for the interruption.
Pet peeve - why are California tax payers subsidizing athletic scholarships for foreigners like Kamara (or Flemming)? He's a great player, but 40 million people live in California. We can't find a better use of that money for Californians? Our priorities seem totally screwed up.
rainbow_unicorn
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So NCAA schools should not recruit international players? Is it a pet peeve that California tax payers are subsidizing for players from Colorado/Florida?
I’ve had this conversation with friends. And it’s a valid and serious conversation. We could create a whole thread on this matter and many others that impact California public colleges/universities.
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As the risk of going way off topic, it is indeed a serious conversation. But I don't share your concern about it. While public colleges serve an important role for local residents in providing them with an inexpensive path to higher education, that is by no means their sole function. In fact, the main benefit to the state is derived when graduates (no matter where they may have come from) chose to stay and work in the state (or form businesses there). It may be that Kamara and Flemming will choose to leave the state (in part because athletic opportunities may take them elsewhere), but on the whole UCLA's retention rate is fine. In the meantime, some of UCLA's students will have made a couple of extra international connections that could be beneficial to them (and the state) down the road.
UCLA is not an inexpensive path for higher education. It's more than $30K a year for in state residents and over 50% of the students receive some sort of financial aid (meaning loans). That's the point. Public schools in California are not serving their primary function. And we are talking about athletes, not scholars. There is nothing exceptional about athletes (particularly soccer) that would provide any benefit to the state. It would be a different discussion if we were talking about gifted international scholars. The irony is that gifted international scholars pay full out of state tuition at the UCs. And those are the connections that matter.
I think this post was more for Glen. I was trying to not derail the thread.
Dos Equis
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Are you sure they are on athletic scholarship? There are also grants that are endowed/raised (not from state funds) for attracting specific categories of students. Would UCLA write the below in multiple places on their website, and risk legal action, if foreign athletes were excluded?
Diversity of experience and point of view is good for a student body, and foreign athletes may have as many valuable relationships and life experiences as a rich foreign whiz kid.
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UCLA does not award scholarships or financial aid to undergraduate students who are not citizens or permanent residents of the United States. International students must prove that they have sufficient funds available to them to pay for their educational and living expenses.
MakeAPlay
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I will take my kids international connections from over the huge amount in all of the classes that she is in (STEM major). Not to mention that 10%+ of the student body is foreign citizens. Personally I don’t care where someone comes from if they earned their spot. As soon as you find a better midfielder or keeper than my daughter’s roommates in California (or the US for that matter) let me know so that we can sign them.
Excluding anyone because of anything other than ability is sort of Fascist/3rd Reichish and doesn’t accomplish the goal of such a great institution or ANY institution.
MakeAPlay
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An athletic scholarship is called a “Grant in Aid” and is considered an athletic grant FYI. It doesn’t violate anything and you better believe they get lots of money!
Thanks for the info. This is helpful.
MakeAPlay
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Taxpayers aren’t subsidizing anything. Why is California subsidizing the rest of the US? Our economy is larger than France’s and as a state we pay out more to the federal government than we receive. We could hold the rest of America hostage due to us being by far the largest agricultural state. Although I would want us to annex Nevada and Oregon out of convenience.
Let’s lighten up on the xenophobia....
Poor response. You can do better. Focus on the financial aspect - I'm talking about subsidizing foreign students, I'm not talking about admissions. UCLA excludes also sorts of kids (even international applicants) if they don't have the money. See Dos Equis's post above. Is UCLA fascist for doing so? Those kids in your kid's stem class are paying a ton. I have no problem with that.
Not to put words in your mouth, but it appears that you think it is OK to admit and subsidize an international applicant over a state resident because the international applicant is good at a sport. On the other hand, I think we should subsidize deserving California residents that are stellar students. UCLA seems to generally agree (which I did not know until Dos Equis's post), except apparently there is an exception at UCLA for athletes.
MakeAPlay
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Poor question based on a terrible premise. Californians aren’t subsidizing anything . You should do more research before waste time asking a question that is based upon flawed facts AND beliefs. What metrics are you using to determine who is deserving? I will bet you anything that you would like that the average GPA among foreign students AND athletes is higher than that if the in state students.
I would love to annex the state too. I don't want to be subsidizing Oklahoma and Alabama either. I guess you could say I have Oklaphobia or Alaphobia as well.
At any rate, your comments don't address why we (or other states) subsidize foreigners' education for the purpose of sports.
MakeAPlay
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Think of sports in P5 conferences as a job. Just like the doctors at UCSF Medical, you want the best and you have to pay.
You are also working on a flawed premise because the UCLA athletic department pays all of its own bills. They show a net zero on their taxes, which, of course, is a cool accounting trick.