2 new girls DA clubs announced

This is not a good thing, Just as California is polarized and NorthCal top teams being ECNL clubs and SouthCal top teams being DA Clubs. We do not need to have West coast top teams DA and East Coast top teams ECNL. None of this movement helps our girls. Makes you just wish they would drop all the acronyms and special leagues and titles and just go back to the old days where there was Flight 1, Flight 2 and flight 3 and all the tournaments offered all flights competitive brackets. Now it seams what ever league you are in your going to have 3 strong teams and many weeks teams , and we are all going to have to pay and travel long distances to play in unbalanced tournaments with stronger teams and very weak teams, just so these Leagues can maintain their, "This is an Elite Special National League" Illusions going. Well, strap in people and get out your check book, these next few years are going to be interesting...



WHY THE FC STARS LEFT!!!

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BRUTALLY HONEST - A REAL CLUB UNDERSTANDS DEVELOPMENT BEFORE RESULTS!!!!

JASON DEWHURST: For us, with the no-entry it became tough, especially with the one-game weekends. Kids just weren’t seeing as much playing time. On the other side of that, the no outside competition. That really kind of went away from our philosophy.

An example:

If a kid was only seeing 15 to 20 minutes on a Saturday in a DA game, then we would like to say to that kid, “Guess what, you're going to play a full game tomorrow with our NPL team.”

But because of the rule of the no outside competition, we weren’t able to do that.

So that was one of the big things for us and we didn’t see that changing. That was something we constantly heard about from our members, parents.

SA: What was another important issue?

JASON DEWHURST: The second one I would say is the double age group, specifically next year at the 2002, 2003 age group. For example, we have a current U-15 team, 2003s, and these players have given up high school soccer, they’ve committed to the DA, they’ve committed to our program. And then within a year, more than likely, more than half those kids will probably be cut from the program, because it goes to a double age group -- to 02/03 [in 2018-19, U-16/17].

For us, we thought that was unacceptable for those players. To come in and give up high school soccer is a huge deal in our area. That caused a lot of anxiety from the parents as the season is coming to an end. What are we going to do next year?

That was something we brought up whenever we spoke to the Federation. We said we would like to see the single age group, and obviously that hasn’t happened.

SA: Kids having to sacrifice playing high school soccer to commit to the DA ... was that one of the main issues?

JASON DEWHURST: Yes, but more so in our area, the private school issue. We have a lot of private school players within our system and they have to play high school sports. And we as a club from Day 1 decided that we were not going to [ask for] waivers. And the reason for that is because I don’t think you can look one kid in the eye and say, “Listen, because you’re a private school kid we’re going to give you a waiver and you can play high school,” and look another kid in the eye and say, “Guess what, because you don’t go to private school, we’re going to make you give up high school soccer.”

[Editor’s note: According to the DA regulations: “Players who receive consideration or financial aid to attend a private high school based on their participation with the soccer team are eligible” for waivers to allow them “to remain on their clubs Academy roster during the high school soccer season.”]

For us, we made that decision from Day 1. We stood by it. But the reality is that prohibited a lot of our top players from playing in the DA. And that would have continued. Other clubs have done waivers.

SA: These issues -- the sub rules, ban on outside competition and high school play -- are ones the Federation doesn’t plan on altering?

JASON DEWHURST: They were three things we shared with the Federation. We’ve been very upfront about it. We’ve had very civil conversations with the Federation about what we’ve done, and the reasons we’ve done it and the process, so now we’ll move on.

SA: When U.S. Soccer launched the DA, there were some who predicted that top clubs and players would eventually migrate to the DA. How do you things will look five years from now?

JASON DEWHURST: I really don’t know. At the end of the day, we looked at it from our club’s standpoint. We did it because throughout the year the feedback we got from our families and that’s how we made the decision, because we thought it was the best for our club [to leave the DA].

Other clubs, the DA works for them, in different markets. I’m not going to say one’s better than the other.

SA: When I interviewed Anson Dorrance in February, he suggested U.S. Soccer “marry together” the Girls DA and the ECNL. Can you imagine a future in which the DA and the ECNL work together?

JASON DEWHURST: I don’t think I can even comment on that because I don’t know. People have said it would be great if they could work together. Right now, they’re two separate entities.

https://www.socceramerica.com/publicati ... ector.html
 
WHY THE FC STARS LEFT!!!

https://www.socceramerica.com/publicati ... ector.html

BRUTALLY HONEST - A REAL CLUB UNDERSTANDS DEVELOPMENT BEFORE RESULTS!!!!

JASON DEWHURST: For us, with the no-entry it became tough, especially with the one-game weekends. Kids just weren’t seeing as much playing time. On the other side of that, the no outside competition. That really kind of went away from our philosophy.

An example:

If a kid was only seeing 15 to 20 minutes on a Saturday in a DA game, then we would like to say to that kid, “Guess what, you're going to play a full game tomorrow with our NPL team.”

But because of the rule of the no outside competition, we weren’t able to do that.

So that was one of the big things for us and we didn’t see that changing. That was something we constantly heard about from our members, parents.

SA: What was another important issue?

JASON DEWHURST: The second one I would say is the double age group, specifically next year at the 2002, 2003 age group. For example, we have a current U-15 team, 2003s, and these players have given up high school soccer, they’ve committed to the DA, they’ve committed to our program. And then within a year, more than likely, more than half those kids will probably be cut from the program, because it goes to a double age group -- to 02/03 [in 2018-19, U-16/17].

For us, we thought that was unacceptable for those players. To come in and give up high school soccer is a huge deal in our area. That caused a lot of anxiety from the parents as the season is coming to an end. What are we going to do next year?

That was something we brought up whenever we spoke to the Federation. We said we would like to see the single age group, and obviously that hasn’t happened.

SA: Kids having to sacrifice playing high school soccer to commit to the DA ... was that one of the main issues?

JASON DEWHURST: Yes, but more so in our area, the private school issue. We have a lot of private school players within our system and they have to play high school sports. And we as a club from Day 1 decided that we were not going to [ask for] waivers. And the reason for that is because I don’t think you can look one kid in the eye and say, “Listen, because you’re a private school kid we’re going to give you a waiver and you can play high school,” and look another kid in the eye and say, “Guess what, because you don’t go to private school, we’re going to make you give up high school soccer.”

[Editor’s note: According to the DA regulations: “Players who receive consideration or financial aid to attend a private high school based on their participation with the soccer team are eligible” for waivers to allow them “to remain on their clubs Academy roster during the high school soccer season.”]

For us, we made that decision from Day 1. We stood by it. But the reality is that prohibited a lot of our top players from playing in the DA. And that would have continued. Other clubs have done waivers.

SA: These issues -- the sub rules, ban on outside competition and high school play -- are ones the Federation doesn’t plan on altering?

JASON DEWHURST: They were three things we shared with the Federation. We’ve been very upfront about it. We’ve had very civil conversations with the Federation about what we’ve done, and the reasons we’ve done it and the process, so now we’ll move on.

SA: When U.S. Soccer launched the DA, there were some who predicted that top clubs and players would eventually migrate to the DA. How do you things will look five years from now?

JASON DEWHURST: I really don’t know. At the end of the day, we looked at it from our club’s standpoint. We did it because throughout the year the feedback we got from our families and that’s how we made the decision, because we thought it was the best for our club [to leave the DA].

Other clubs, the DA works for them, in different markets. I’m not going to say one’s better than the other.

SA: When I interviewed Anson Dorrance in February, he suggested U.S. Soccer “marry together” the Girls DA and the ECNL. Can you imagine a future in which the DA and the ECNL work together?

JASON DEWHURST: I don’t think I can even comment on that because I don’t know. People have said it would be great if they could work together. Right now, they’re two separate entities.

https://www.socceramerica.com/publicati ... ector.html
Despite my annoyance that every one of your posts is in some way anti DA, I completely agree with the fact that there is not a need for 2 separate leagues. One Elite league with proper geographic representation.

Just please stop regurgitating the same story on various threads.
 
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WHY THE FC STARS LEFT!!!

https://www.socceramerica.com/publicati ... ector.html

BRUTALLY HONEST - A REAL CLUB UNDERSTANDS DEVELOPMENT BEFORE RESULTS!!!!

JASON DEWHURST: For us, with the no-entry it became tough, especially with the one-game weekends. Kids just weren’t seeing as much playing time. On the other side of that, the no outside competition. That really kind of went away from our philosophy.

An example:

If a kid was only seeing 15 to 20 minutes on a Saturday in a DA game, then we would like to say to that kid, “Guess what, you're going to play a full game tomorrow with our NPL team.”

But because of the rule of the no outside competition, we weren’t able to do that.

So that was one of the big things for us and we didn’t see that changing. That was something we constantly heard about from our members, parents.

SA: What was another important issue?

JASON DEWHURST: The second one I would say is the double age group, specifically next year at the 2002, 2003 age group. For example, we have a current U-15 team, 2003s, and these players have given up high school soccer, they’ve committed to the DA, they’ve committed to our program. And then within a year, more than likely, more than half those kids will probably be cut from the program, because it goes to a double age group -- to 02/03 [in 2018-19, U-16/17].

For us, we thought that was unacceptable for those players. To come in and give up high school soccer is a huge deal in our area. That caused a lot of anxiety from the parents as the season is coming to an end. What are we going to do next year?

That was something we brought up whenever we spoke to the Federation. We said we would like to see the single age group, and obviously that hasn’t happened.

SA: Kids having to sacrifice playing high school soccer to commit to the DA ... was that one of the main issues?

JASON DEWHURST: Yes, but more so in our area, the private school issue. We have a lot of private school players within our system and they have to play high school sports. And we as a club from Day 1 decided that we were not going to [ask for] waivers. And the reason for that is because I don’t think you can look one kid in the eye and say, “Listen, because you’re a private school kid we’re going to give you a waiver and you can play high school,” and look another kid in the eye and say, “Guess what, because you don’t go to private school, we’re going to make you give up high school soccer.”

[Editor’s note: According to the DA regulations: “Players who receive consideration or financial aid to attend a private high school based on their participation with the soccer team are eligible” for waivers to allow them “to remain on their clubs Academy roster during the high school soccer season.”]

For us, we made that decision from Day 1. We stood by it. But the reality is that prohibited a lot of our top players from playing in the DA. And that would have continued. Other clubs have done waivers.

SA: These issues -- the sub rules, ban on outside competition and high school play -- are ones the Federation doesn’t plan on altering?

JASON DEWHURST: They were three things we shared with the Federation. We’ve been very upfront about it. We’ve had very civil conversations with the Federation about what we’ve done, and the reasons we’ve done it and the process, so now we’ll move on.

SA: When U.S. Soccer launched the DA, there were some who predicted that top clubs and players would eventually migrate to the DA. How do you things will look five years from now?

JASON DEWHURST: I really don’t know. At the end of the day, we looked at it from our club’s standpoint. We did it because throughout the year the feedback we got from our families and that’s how we made the decision, because we thought it was the best for our club [to leave the DA].

Other clubs, the DA works for them, in different markets. I’m not going to say one’s better than the other.

SA: When I interviewed Anson Dorrance in February, he suggested U.S. Soccer “marry together” the Girls DA and the ECNL. Can you imagine a future in which the DA and the ECNL work together?

JASON DEWHURST: I don’t think I can even comment on that because I don’t know. People have said it would be great if they could work together. Right now, they’re two separate entities.

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Translation: We are at risk of losing significant amount of $$$ from parents of players that are not elite enough to earn playing time in a highly competitive environment.

If any of these DoC's are really concerned about playing time, they will stop carrying football teams sized rosters.
 
Despite my annoyance that every one of your posts is in some way anti DA, I completely agree with the fact that there is not a need for 2 separate leagues. One Elite league with proper geographic representation.

Just please stop regurgitating the same story on various threads.
Some times pills are hard to swallow. ;)
 
Why are you posting ECNL in this thread. Move over to the AYSO thread.

One of these clubs was DA...but I'm commenting in the wrong region. If DA doesn't adapt some super simple rule changes, it'll become more of a top Socal league after next season. Hopefully they do, so we can have a TRUE top league nationally. For now, DA is a top league in a few key regions...and less next year. Your comment is indicative of the ignorance and arrogance of those that run that league.
 
Despite my annoyance that every one of your posts is in some way anti DA, I completely agree with the fact that there is not a need for 2 separate leagues. One Elite league with proper geographic representation.

Just please stop regurgitating the same story on various threads.

So you admit that GDA wasn't needed? ECNL was doing very well and US Soccer didn't care about the girls into they figured out that they could make some $$$$.
 
So you admit that GDA wasn't needed? ECNL was doing very well and US Soccer didn't care about the girls into they figured out that they could make some $$$$.
I believe I have said that on numberous occasions from the start. ECNL’s mutual exclusivity enabled DA to take hold in SoCal.
 
ECNL’s mutual exclusivity enabled DA to take hold in SoCal.
Was that the part where ECNL was either being corrupt by allowing then current ECNL clubs to maintain their local monopolies, or the part where ECNL was stupidly ignoring local competitive clubs?
 
Was that the part where ECNL was either being corrupt by allowing then current ECNL clubs to maintain their local monopolies, or the part where ECNL was stupidly ignoring local competitive clubs?

I think that it was the part where everything was working fine and now it isn't. Most of these locally "competitive" clubs had and still have no record of getting players to the highest level or winning seriously contested championships and that has yet to change.
 
I think that it was the part where everything was working fine and now it isn't. Most of these locally "competitive" clubs had and still have no record of getting players to the highest level or winning seriously contested championships and that has yet to change.
That is just it, it was not working fine in Southern California. SoCal clubs were travelling to play games that were no better competition than they could get at home. You can refuse to accept this fact, but it is still a fact. When Surf's ECNL National Champs team lost in the 1/4 finals of Surf Cup to a local, non-ECNL team, it was just one of the signs that ECNL were either naively ignoring reality, or were trying to protect Collen Chester's monopoly. So which is it? Was ECNL ignorant, or corrupt?
 
I think that it was the part where everything was working fine and now it isn't. Most of these locally "competitive" clubs had and still have no record of getting players to the highest level or winning seriously contested championships and that has yet to change.
It's changing right now... in this region at least
 
That is just it, it was not working fine in Southern California. SoCal clubs were travelling to play games that were no better competition than they could get at home. You can refuse to accept this fact, but it is still a fact. When Surf's ECNL National Champs team lost in the 1/4 finals of Surf Cup to a local, non-ECNL team, it was just one of the signs that ECNL were either naively ignoring reality, or were trying to protect Collen Chester's monopoly. So which is it? Was ECNL ignorant, or corrupt?

That is simply not true and you can continue to say it's a banana when it is an apple but that doesn't change the facts. The local competition was nowhere close to what you could get by going and playing on the road. I'm sorry but the local teams weren't of the same quality as PDA, Eclipse Select, Real Colorado, FC Stars, Crossfire and more! You are really naive if you believe otherwise.

I understand that you are a Carlsbad homer but there is a reason that the best North San Diego county players go to Surf or Blues.

I think that Thanos puts it best.

"I know what it’s like to lose. To feel so desperately that you’re right, yet to fail nonetheless. As lightning turns the legs to jelly. I ask you to what end? Dread it, run from it, destiny arrives all the same." Thanos of Titan
 
I know of one YWNT player that came from a non-ECNL club a few years before GDA.

Are we still talking about YNT players? The YNT pools are a joke. The best players aren't just good in training. And I know a whole bunch of YNT players that came from ECNL clubs including the only two Full WNT players that never played in college. Checkmate.
 
So you admit that GDA wasn't needed? ECNL was doing very well and US Soccer didn't care about the girls into they figured out that they could make some $$$$.[/QUOT

I don't agree with your comment about it being about money. Other than possible sponsorship money and DA merchandise, I don't see how they are making much money. The only fee the collect from the clubs is a $50 fee per player and coach for registration fees. There is a performance bond a club needs to post to be in the DA but is relatively small and refundable. They provide all event fees (no tournament/showcase fees to attend) and all referee fees for all league and showcase games. At showcases their are multiple medical stations, ice baths, free water, Powerade, fruit and snacks not only for players but for spectators too. The DA merchandise they sell is no different than what is sold at Surf Cup or the Players Showcase. They have scouts at every field and film every game.

In my opinion, US Soccer is losing money by running the USSDA.

Now the argument to make is whether the clubs are making much money by having DA. My assessment here is that appears to be more a break even operation.
 
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