In SoCal what’s it going to be DA/DPL or ECNL?

JoeZ

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Interested to learn what members think about the current situation pros and cons.
 
ecnl is always rumored to shut down every year and DA has no such rumors.
ECNL is not going anywhere. Some of the top clubs in the country have dropped DA after the first year and are playing ECNL next year. ECNL has been running strong since 2009. Whoever is creating these false rumors about ECNL has an agenda.
 
Have you been living under a rock for the last year?
@Fact, it seems a number of strong clubs Girls programs have decided to exit ECNL and move to DPL within the last week. This appears to be a positive thing for us considering the concentration of
DA and now DPL clubs and teams in the area.
I’m interested in others views on this?
 
@Fact, it seems a number of strong clubs Girls programs have decided to exit ECNL and move to DPL within the last week. This appears to be a positive thing for us considering the concentration of
DA and now DPL clubs and teams in the area.
I’m interested in others views on this?
No club would pull out of ECNL just so they could play in a regional league like DPL. But if any dual clubs lose their ECNL franchises it will be interesting to see what they decide to do with their B teams.
 
@Fact, it seems a number of strong clubs Girls programs have decided to exit ECNL and move to DPL within the last week. This appears to be a positive thing for us considering the concentration of
DA and now DPL clubs and teams in the area.
I’m interested in others views on this?

You completely just made that up out of thin air. Nobody is that ignorant of the facts. Are you Lampchop's alter ego?
 
@Fact, it seems a number of strong clubs Girls programs have decided to exit ECNL and move to DPL within the last week. This appears to be a positive thing for us considering the concentration of DA and now DPL clubs and teams in the area. I’m interested in others views on this?

Here is my view. First, I don't think you understand the absurdity of your statement. I'm not attacking you, but the concept is akin to stating ... "it seams a number of Bloods are exiting the gang and moving to the Crip's JUNIOR/PRESCHOOL gang." The idea that a Club would exit the ECNL and move to the DPL is silly. If true (highly unlikely) the DOC/Admin group is lead by fools that fundamentally don't understand that the DPL simply allows the Girls DA teams to bring in more dollars by putting out a carrot of "someday your DPL daughter could make our Girls DA team." The DPL is a "B" league for the DA, just like the EGSL is the "B" league for ECNL teams (in the region).

Now, you might have a dual Girls DA and ECNL program that drops their ECNL team for the DPL, but that isn't the same as what you wrote. No Club Admin in their right mind would drop the ECNL (competes at the same level as the Girls DA) and move to a regional junior league (unless they were in a serious auto accident and suffered debilitating head trauma).
 
Here is my view. First, I don't think you understand the absurdity of your statement. I'm not attacking you, but the concept is akin to stating ... "it seams a number of Bloods are exiting the gang and moving to the Crip's JUNIOR/PRESCHOOL gang." The idea that a Club would exit the ECNL and move to the DPL is silly. If true (highly unlikely) the DOC/Admin group is lead by fools that fundamentally don't understand that the DPL simply allows the Girls DA teams to bring in more dollars by putting out a carrot of "someday your DPL daughter could make our Girls DA team." The DPL is a "B" league for the DA, just like the EGSL is the "B" league for ECNL teams (in the region).

Now, you might have a dual Girls DA and ECNL program that drops their ECNL team for the DPL, but that isn't the same as what you wrote. No Club Admin in their right mind would drop the ECNL (competes at the same level as the Girls DA) and move to a regional junior league (unless they were in a serious auto accident and suffered debilitating head trauma).
@MWN, your aggressive response is amusing. Why take such an approach. Relax and enjoy these times, they will be over before you know it.

You wrote: “Now, you might have a dual Girls DA and ECNL program that drops their ECNL team for the DPL” — my apology for not stipulating and confusing you, this is what I was referring to. Only a fool, as you say, would think the clubs/program in question would not be a dual DA and ECNL club. ECNL and DPL are similar and not correlated as you stated.

Candidly, I don’t buy anyone’s notion ECNL or DPL are B leagues - they are top leagues for those players that want to play for their HS. If it were not for that stipulation my daughter would be playing DA as would many others. Several current ECNL teams can easily beat some current DA teams. Some DA coaches seem to not want to even scrimmage their ECNL or DPL teams!

Anyway - thanks for your views.
 
Interested to learn what members think about the current situation pros and cons.

I probably should have read your first message seeking advice. Here is the deal:

ECNL - Great track record of developing "girls" and getting good competition and scholarships for those girls. Most current Woman National Team players (of a certain age) played on an ECNL team. Less restrictions, such as HS play, coaching credentials, tournaments, etc.

Girls DA - U.S. Soccer's attempt to replace the ECNL with a program that is less attractive to girls. More restrictions, such as, NO HS play, tougher coaching credentials, fewer tournaments/showcases, etc.

Girls DPL - Regional league formed by SoCal Girls DA teams that realized they had no place to park their less talented girls that were not ready for the GDA. These clubs appreciated that parents would pay more for an "exclusive league." The DPL is just like the EGSL, NPL, Super-Y, CRL, etc.

EGSL (bonus answer) - Regional league formed by ECNL teams that realized they had no place to park their less talented girls. These clubs appreciated that parents would pay more if they had a more exclusive league (on paper). The EGSL is just like the DPL, NPL, Super-Y, CRL, etc.

Now, since you asked, here is what you need to know:
Any club or league that gets in the way of your daughter's mental well-being, development and exposure to college coaches should be avoided. Any club that dictates to your daughter where and when she can play, especially if she wants to experience H.S. soccer with her social group should be avoided. If your daughter makes the decision for herself ... great. If some dumbass at the USSF in Chicago is making that decision then you should reconsider what is important. The sole focus for elite girls should be college, followed by college, followed by college, and then college. There are currently NO Woman's national team players that were pulled straight from the ECNL or now girls DA and likely there will not be any in the future except or that super-rare unicorn (think Marta).

The path for girls to the U.S. Woman's national team is (1) go to college; (2) get drafted by the semi-pro, underfunded, will never be financially viable NWSL and play for a NWSL team in front of 5k fans while working another job; and (3) get invited to a National team camp (have to quit your actual paying job) and go on the road for an experience of a lifetime.
 
@MWN, your aggressive response is amusing. Why take such an approach. Relax and enjoy these times, they will be over before you know it.

You wrote: “Now, you might have a dual Girls DA and ECNL program that drops their ECNL team for the DPL” — my apology for not stipulating and confusing you, this is what I was referring to. Only a fool, as you say, would think the clubs/program in question would not be a dual DA and ECNL club. ECNL and DPL are similar and not correlated as you stated.

Candidly, I don’t buy anyone’s notion ECNL or DPL are B leagues - they are top leagues for those players that want to play for their HS. If it were not for that stipulation my daughter would be playing DA as would many others. Several current ECNL teams can easily beat some current DA teams. Some DA coaches seem to not want to even scrimmage their ECNL or DPL teams!

Anyway - thanks for your views.

Two points: First, ECNL is an "A" league and most ECNL teams would be competitive to GDA teams and vice-versa because the olders on those ECNL teams already have college in the bag and don't want the headaches of the GDA. You can disagree, but DPL and EGSL are "B" leagues/teams for their Girls DA and ECNL teams. In fact, the DPL "sales pitch" is as follows:

League Overview & Purpose
The Development Player League (DPL) is designed to expand the Girls Development Academy (DA) player pool for participating clubs. The league creates a highly professional training environment and competitive model for aspiring DA players, bridging the gap between club soccer and Development Academy soccer.

Second, College coaches are looking at ECNL and now Girls USSDA. DPL and EGSL don't provide any more additional level of competition than what a team would get in the NPL, CRL, etc.

That said, if its good for your daughter, then great ... that is all that matters.
 
I probably should have read your first message seeking advice. Here is the deal:

ECNL - Great track record of developing "girls" and getting good competition and scholarships for those girls. Most current Woman National Team players (of a certain age) played on an ECNL team. Less restrictions, such as HS play, coaching credentials, tournaments, etc.

Girls DA - U.S. Soccer's attempt to replace the ECNL with a program that is less attractive to girls. More restrictions, such as, NO HS play, tougher coaching credentials, fewer tournaments/showcases, etc.

Girls DPL - Regional league formed by SoCal Girls DA teams that realized they had no place to park their less talented girls that were not ready for the GDA. These clubs appreciated that parents would pay more for an "exclusive league." The DPL is just like the EGSL, NPL, Super-Y, CRL, etc.

EGSL (bonus answer) - Regional league formed by ECNL teams that realized they had no place to park their less talented girls. These clubs appreciated that parents would pay more if they had a more exclusive league (on paper). The EGSL is just like the DPL, NPL, Super-Y, CRL, etc.

Now, since you asked, here is what you need to know:
Any club or league that gets in the way of your daughter's mental well-being, development and exposure to college coaches should be avoided. Any club that dictates to your daughter where and when she can play, especially if she wants to experience H.S. soccer with her social group should be avoided. If your daughter makes the decision for herself ... great. If some dumbass at the USSF in Chicago is making that decision then you should reconsider what is important. The sole focus for elite girls should be college, followed by college, followed by college, and then college. There are currently NO Woman's national team players that were pulled straight from the ECNL or now girls DA and likely there will not be any in the future except or that super-rare unicorn (think Marta).

The path for girls to the U.S. Woman's national team is (1) go to college; (2) get drafted by the semi-pro, underfunded, will never be financially viable NWSL and play for a NWSL team in front of 5k fans while working another job; and (3) get invited to a National team camp (have to quit your actual paying job) and go on the road for an experience of a lifetime.
Boom! Well put! We all oughtta print that out for our dd's just as a roadmap for an option should she chose it. .. my 2 cents
 
@Fact, it seems a number of strong clubs Girls programs have decided to exit ECNL and move to DPL within the last week. This appears to be a positive thing for us considering the concentration of
DA and now DPL clubs and teams in the area.
I’m interested in others views on this?
Can you name them?
 
I agree with what you shared though I am just now learning what DPL is all about and it’s level of competitiveness. I’m not sure DPL will be lesser than ECNL next year considering the clubs (ours included) that just announced moving girls ECNL program to DPL, alongside the DA program.

From my experience and what I am reading on this site from others, development seems to be lacking at all levels and clubs unless you have a strong serious coach and do weekly outside private trainings or be on a DA team. I have not seen or experienced any flow down of training standards from ECNL or Club to coaches.

Thanks again for all the feedback.
 
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