2 new girls DA clubs announced

Not until I read it here. Almost as if soccer in the US is dividing into regions. Hmmm.
That s not what we need, sad that we have predomintly So Cal clubs / DA and Nor Cal Clubs / Ecnl in California. last thing we need is some regions DA and others ECNL. Still hoping USSDA and ECNL work it out...But I'm sure by the time that happens if at all, my DD's will be already out of College.
 
Watch your language sir and stay informed.
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I only read a couple of pages of the forum thread, but didn't see anything surprising. What changes are you referring to?
I heard Rumors that Florida Clubs were Dumping DA. I did not find anything to confirm this other than other people saying they herd the same rumor, There seems to be alot of bitterness on the Florida boards, nothing unusual but a lot more complaining than we see here..
 
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San Clemente Surf Soccer Club
Ladera Ranch Surf Soccer CLub
Orange County Surf Soccer Club
Anahiem Surf Soccer Club
Murrieta Surf Soccer Club
Inland Empire Surf Soccer Club
San Gabriel Valley Surf Soccer Club
San Jose Surf Soccer Club
Greater Seattle Surf Soccer Club
Washington Surf Soccer Club
Eastern Washington Surf Club
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Utah Surf Soccer Club
Hawaii Surf Soccer Club
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It would be interesting for a parent of a player on one of the affiliate clubs to post what they found the advantage of affiliation to be.
 
I've been hearing rumors that top girls that are in the DA this year are considering moving back to ECNL next year, any truth to that? Also been hearing that clubs that have DA and ECNL are going to lose ECNL, any truth to that? Or are they just rumors?
 
Also hearing DPL considering DA type model for 2003s as a pilot which would mean year round and no high school. Sounds like an attempt to hold on to the 2003s that don’t make 02/03 DA.
 
WRONG......Carlsbad Lightening and Carlsbad Wave merged to form Carlsbad United.

A year later that Carlsbad United became LA Galaxy San Diego.

A year after that girls development Academy was formed LA Galaxy San Diego was one of the initial clubs credit academy status

If this was intended as sarcasm, I’ll go ahead and apologize.
Putting my two cents here, my DD plays for Rebels Elite 2001 Marquez, she's an '02 and played against the Wave, Lightening, who merged to United and then became LAGSD. Definitely a strong team deserving of the DA. However it never fails to surprise me how other teams are bypassed who can compete against team like LAGSD and the other top DA teams. A strong example of this is that the Rebels team actually beat LAGSD and went on to win National Cup. Basically not taking anything away from the Finalist, Slammers South, but the reality was that the real Finals was played in that Semi-Final game. Had LAGSD won. I am sure that had they prevailed in that game , they would have won National Cup. With that said , I thought it there was a legit chance that Rebels team proved that they are a top team. I believe they should have been awarded a DA spot, a chance to play against elite teams. However they were denied DA this year. Yet when you look back at the standings teams like Albion continue to get the honor of competing in a league that they are ill prepared to play. In the end, DA is much like most leagues. I do not personally know all the whys that allow other clubs and teams to be chosen, but like all leagues. You have the top half that are dominated by the top teams, the above average teams, that would dominate lower leagues, and the bottom of the list. These teams are not totally outclassed, but need more time and a different league, these teams need more development. It would be nice to see these teams removed and put quality teams, kind of like you see on European soccer.
 
...With that said , I thought it there was a legit chance that Rebels team proved that they are a top team. I believe they should have been awarded a DA spot, a chance to play against elite teams. However they were denied DA this year. Yet when you look back at the standings teams like Albion continue to get the honor of competing in a league that they are ill prepared to play. In the end, DA is much like most leagues. I do not personally know all the whys that allow other clubs and teams to be chosen, but like all leagues. ...

The Development Academy, especially on the girls side, is focused on the entire program, not just 1 or 2 teams. While the Rebels have certainly done very well and are a good program, individual team success is only a minor consideration. The DA wants clubs that are financially capable of taking on the burden of the DA and can support a path towards fully funded "residential" programs. To this end, it is a mistake to put much weight on a "team's" success as a major factor in a club being awarded the girls DA program. The DA doesn't care about teams, it cares about player development. A team that has won national cup is OK, but a program that has sent 5 girls to the youth National team is great.

The application is online and you can read the FAQ, here are the basics:

Application Process:
The Development Academy Membership Application is broken into seven sections:
  • Section I: Application Procedure
  • Section II: Club Information
  • Section III: Resources
  • Section IV: Facilities
  • Section V: Staffing and Leadership
  • Section VI: Player Development History
  • Section VII: Academy Requirements
In order to complete the online application, clubs must send all supporting documents, including the following:
  1. Club Philosophy (mission, vision, identity, style, etc.)
  2. Annual Training Plan (this includes a detailed plan for activity, training and games)
  3. Club Budget for the Academy programs (this includes all revenue and expenses to operate Academy age groups)
  4. Additional Player Production (YNT/MNT/WNT players, foreign and/or domestic professional players) *if applicable
  5. Additional Staff Listing *if applicable
The DA model is one of a pyramid. Lots of U12 to few U18/19. On the boys side, you can get in with a U12 to U14 team with fewer resources, less facilities, etc. On the girls side, the DA wants to award fully programs U12-U18/U19, and is as much concerned about resources, facilities, staffing/leadership, etc. The DOC should have an A License and the staff should have C licenses.

The public record demonstrates the Rebels have a few challenges, which are not insurmountable, but challenges nonetheless. Here is what I can tell you:

Financial Resources (2016 990 XML): Rebels had Revenues of $927,856 and expenses of $917,199. Total assets at EOY were $215,357. At an average cost of about $4,000 per player (4k x 25 Players x 4 Teams) to train DA players, travel, fields, referees, etc., the Rebels would have incurred another $400k in expenses (which is about double its cash reserves). Compare that to Albion SC (2016 990 XML) - Revenues of $2,287,632, Expenses of $2,243,740, with assets of $661,335 or San Diego Surf (2015 990) - Revenues of $3,327,957, Expenses of $3,419,295 and assets of $858,180. In sum, the Rebels are a much riskier club from a pure financial perspective. The DA wants financially healthy clubs that can take on the burden of the DA, the Rebels would have challenges subsidizing the DA given its current size.

Facilities: All I can tell you is the current fields for the Rebels (a few parks and a college) are not impressive.

Coaching licenses: I have no idea what the license level of the coaches are because Rebels does not publish this information. This is often a major factor as to why programs are not accepted.
 
The Development Academy, especially on the girls side, is focused on the entire program, not just 1 or 2 teams. While the Rebels have certainly done very well and are a good program, individual team success is only a minor consideration. The DA wants clubs that are financially capable of taking on the burden of the DA and can support a path towards fully funded "residential" programs. To this end, it is a mistake to put much weight on a "team's" success as a major factor in a club being awarded the girls DA program. The DA doesn't care about teams, it cares about player development. A team that has won national cup is OK, but a program that has sent 5 girls to the youth National team is great.

The application is online and you can read the FAQ, here are the basics:

Application Process:
The Development Academy Membership Application is broken into seven sections:
  • Section I: Application Procedure
  • Section II: Club Information
  • Section III: Resources
  • Section IV: Facilities
  • Section V: Staffing and Leadership
  • Section VI: Player Development History
  • Section VII: Academy Requirements
In order to complete the online application, clubs must send all supporting documents, including the following:
  1. Club Philosophy (mission, vision, identity, style, etc.)
  2. Annual Training Plan (this includes a detailed plan for activity, training and games)
  3. Club Budget for the Academy programs (this includes all revenue and expenses to operate Academy age groups)
  4. Additional Player Production (YNT/MNT/WNT players, foreign and/or domestic professional players) *if applicable
  5. Additional Staff Listing *if applicable
The DA model is one of a pyramid. Lots of U12 to few U18/19. On the boys side, you can get in with a U12 to U14 team with fewer resources, less facilities, etc. On the girls side, the DA wants to award fully programs U12-U18/U19, and is as much concerned about resources, facilities, staffing/leadership, etc. The DOC should have an A License and the staff should have C licenses.

The public record demonstrates the Rebels have a few challenges, which are not insurmountable, but challenges nonetheless. Here is what I can tell you:

Financial Resources (2016 990 XML): Rebels had Revenues of $927,856 and expenses of $917,199. Total assets at EOY were $215,357. At an average cost of about $4,000 per player (4k x 25 Players x 4 Teams) to train DA players, travel, fields, referees, etc., the Rebels would have incurred another $400k in expenses (which is about double its cash reserves). Compare that to Albion SC (2016 990 XML) - Revenues of $2,287,632, Expenses of $2,243,740, with assets of $661,335 or San Diego Surf (2015 990) - Revenues of $3,327,957, Expenses of $3,419,295 and assets of $858,180. In sum, the Rebels are a much riskier club from a pure financial perspective. The DA wants financially healthy clubs that can take on the burden of the DA, the Rebels would have challenges subsidizing the DA given its current size.

Facilities: All I can tell you is the current fields for the Rebels (a few parks and a college) are not impressive.

Coaching licenses: I have no idea what the license level of the coaches are because Rebels does not publish this information. This is often a major factor as to why programs are not accepted.
Nice, very informative, definitely different from the boys as Rebels has a DA team U12. Although I still hate to say it, just because a club is financially able. Doesn't that mean that they are not really looking to put the best teams up against each other. I mean isn't DA suppose to spring forth and get the USA a farm system, although new, like those we see worldwide. I didn't know when it came down to picking the best, we seem to focus on the financials. Don't get me wrong , I understand the dynamics.

So then in your opinion, given the broad range between the top DA and the last place DA team. Why pay the expense to play on a team that just doesn't belong in that same league. I mean I don't mean to put Albion in a bad light, just using the facts as an example.

Rank Southwest - U-16/17 West Division GP W L T Pts GF GA GD Pts/GP
1 LAFC Slammers U-16/17 [PLAYOFFS 1] 25 21 2 2 65 89 19 70 2.6
14Albion SC U-16/17 25 5 20 0 15 22 87 -65 0.6

Total opposites. I mean for the individual girl who is on the Albion team. Is it really worth playing in the DA team. Is it about the exposure.
I would imagine with ECNL, Coast Premier, SCDSL, SDDA, National League, CRL, plus and others that I have missed...etc. That each leagues top teams would have players that are USA training worthy.
As a team, my DD will never really know how they stack up and I don't really see me driving 45 plus minutes to either Surf, Albion even further LAGSD.
May have to get her dual citizenship, just kidding, it's all about the red, white and blue when it comes to woman's soccer.
 
I think you can’t judge whether they belong by the failure of one team in any year to have on field success. If a club has the fininacial resources, coaches and fields the model is built on the idea that the talent will eventually come to the club that will allow it to have some success though someone will always be in last place.
 
Nice, very informative, definitely different from the boys as Rebels has a DA team U12. Although I still hate to say it, just because a club is financially able. Doesn't that mean that they are not really looking to put the best teams up against each other. I mean isn't DA suppose to spring forth and get the USA a farm system, although new, like those we see worldwide. I didn't know when it came down to picking the best, we seem to focus on the financials. Don't get me wrong , I understand the dynamics.

So then in your opinion, given the broad range between the top DA and the last place DA team. Why pay the expense to play on a team that just doesn't belong in that same league. I mean I don't mean to put Albion in a bad light, just using the facts as an example.

Rank Southwest - U-16/17 West Division GP W L T Pts GF GA GD Pts/GP
1 LAFC Slammers U-16/17 [PLAYOFFS 1] 25 21 2 2 65 89 19 70 2.6
14Albion SC U-16/17 25 5 20 0 15 22 87 -65 0.6

Total opposites. I mean for the individual girl who is on the Albion team. Is it really worth playing in the DA team. Is it about the exposure.
I would imagine with ECNL, Coast Premier, SCDSL, SDDA, National League, CRL, plus and others that I have missed...etc. That each leagues top teams would have players that are USA training worthy.
As a team, my DD will never really know how they stack up and I don't really see me driving 45 plus minutes to either Surf, Albion even further LAGSD.
May have to get her dual citizenship, just kidding, it's all about the red, white and blue when it comes to woman's soccer.
You have to look into perspective too, that is not just plain financials, but historical results as well. Carlsbad, Albion and Surf have produce results in the pre ECNL times. Look at Rebels results before teams in that 01 group left to ECNL, they weren't up there as they are right now. Look at the other age group performances vs. Rebels teams and specially look at the youngers under 12, and you will see that there no results to state a case for Rebels to be in DA as strongly as you state it.

The 01/02 Albion GDA team results are more so a result of the fiasco caused by Tony Sheri and his perv actions, plus they couldn't get some of the top talent available from teams from the East County after those teams in the age group fell apart.

Be grateful that you found a good environment for your DD and that the team has perform well within its current parameters given.
 
...So then in your opinion, given the broad range between the top DA and the last place DA team. Why pay the expense to play on a team that just doesn't belong in that same league. I mean I don't mean to put Albion in a bad light, just using the facts as an example.

Rank Southwest - U-16/17 West Division GP W L T Pts GF GA GD Pts/GP
1 LAFC Slammers U-16/17 [PLAYOFFS 1] 25 21 2 2 65 89 19 70 2.6
14Albion SC U-16/17 25 5 20 0 15 22 87 -65 0.6

Total opposites. I mean for the individual girl who is on the Albion team. Is it really worth playing in the DA team. Is it about the exposure.
I would imagine with ECNL, Coast Premier, SCDSL, SDDA, National League, CRL, plus and others that I have missed...etc. That each leagues top teams would have players that are USA training worthy.
As a team, my DD will never really know how they stack up and I don't really see me driving 45 plus minutes to either Surf, Albion even further LAGSD.
May have to get her dual citizenship, just kidding, it's all about the red, white and blue when it comes to woman's soccer.

Why pay expense to be on outmatched team? Is it worth it? Is it about exposure? No dispute that this particular Albion GDA team was out classed this year. As this is the first year, clubs are still in a building stage. There is no dispute that the older Albion teams struggled against the level of competition, but their U15 team did OK (middle of pack).
U15 = 8/14, 10-9-7, GD= 0;
U16/U17 = 14/14, 5-20-0, GD:-65
U18/U19 = 14/14, 4-15-1, GD:-39

In looking at the U16/U17 team, it appears that 13 of the 29 rostered players where on the previous years 2002 and 2001 Albion CSL Premiere teams. This infers there was some sort of upheaval in the program and a mass exodus last year, so there is likely a deeper reason that has little to do with the Albion DA program, but a coach impacted building/continuing the team. (Edit: @coachsamy addressed above)

As this is the first year, we know its going to take at least 4-5 years for the DA to establish itself as the premiere league for girls. We also know that the elite talent at the U17+ teams have likely already received scholarship offers, so the motivation to leave their CSL Premiere, SCDSL Champions, CRL, ECNL, etc., team is low.

As this is the first year, in my mind the only reason that 99.5% of the girls have to move to a DA team would be college exposure and the pedigree on the Resume. The rest (.5%) may have true national team aspirations. If you are already on an ECNL team, I can't see making a move as benefiting an older too much. The restrictive HS Play rules are also much more impactful for the girls who tend to really value the social aspect of team sports and the HS experience. So yes, its worth it if you value exposure.

Other Leagues Have Great Players. Very true, there is some incredible talent, especially in SoCal, with players that can play DI and possibly go beyond to the National Team that will never sniff the DA (boys and girls) or the ECNL. We know we can't aggregate all the talent into one league, but that doesn't mean we can't try.

Dual Citizenship / Driving Distance. I really think you are looking at this the wrong way. This is girls, amateur soccer in SoCal. There is no prize money for winning league or XYZ tournament, or beating teams. The only financial benefit that 99.99% of girls will receive playing soccer is a scholarship, which can be substantial. Scholarships are awarded to individual players and not teams. The goal should be to play on a team that gets the girl in front of college coaches to increase the scholarship opportunities. If she is on a good Rebels team that plays in the NPL, CRL, etc., then great. While the opportunities would increase if she was on an ECNL team, she isn't because Rebels are not in the league (maybe they should be).

Elite girls and boys should have the singular goal to go to college. If soccer can get them some college money, then great. It should be about exposure, exposure, exposure, exposure. The DA and ECNL will give them a resume that will get the attention of college coaches. Everything else will be a struggle, but decent exposure is still possible if the team is CRL, National League, NPL, etc., or the player has ODP.

Playing soccer at a professional level for boys is a horrible decision from a cost/benefit ratio, unless that player is truly one of the best in the world. For girls its even worse. There is no legitimate path to make soccer a career if the objective is to make a living wage. Women's team sports in the US are nothing more than money losing charities. WNBA (yet to turn a profit), WPSL (yet to turn a profit) - maximum NWSL salary is reportedly $37,800, NWHL (yet to turn a profit), etc., etc.
 
The list is growing on the Best Teams Leaving for ECNL!
These are Multi-National Championship teams with a multitude of National players.

Hawks
PDA
FC Stars
Eclipse
FC Premier
And more big ones dropping GDA soon!

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Also hearing DPL considering DA type model for 2003s as a pilot which would mean year round and no high school. Sounds like an attempt to hold on to the 2003s that don’t make 02/03 DA.
I would like to hear more on this.....a couple of teams are moving out of ECNL to DPL at '03. Will the same rules hold fast for DPL that no high school play will be allowed? Did DPL girls play high school last year (or were they allowed)? That would change the landscape a little bit in High School soccer and dumb it down more than it is already.
 
I would like to hear more on this.....a couple of teams are moving out of ECNL to DPL at '03. Will the same rules hold fast for DPL that no high school play will be allowed? Did DPL girls play high school last year (or were they allowed)? That would change the landscape a little bit in High School soccer and dumb it down more than it is already.
Yes DPL played HS. The new program would be under the DA as an 03 pilot and not DPL from what I have been told which means US Soccer registered vs Cal South.
 
The list is growing on the Best Teams Leaving for ECNL!
These are Multi-National Championship teams with a multitude of National players.

Hawks
PDA
FC Stars
Eclipse
FC Premier
And more big ones dropping GDA soon!

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This is not a good thing, Just as California is polarized and NorthCal top teams being ECNL clubs and SouthCal top teams being DA Clubs. We do not need to have West coast top teams DA and East Coast top teams ECNL. None of this movement helps our girls. Makes you just wish they would drop all the acronyms and special leagues and titles and just go back to the old days where there was Flight 1, Flight 2 and flight 3 and all the tournaments offered all flights competitive brackets. Now it seams what ever league you are in your going to have 3 strong teams and many weeks teams , and we are all going to have to pay and travel long distances to play in unbalanced tournaments with stronger teams and very weak teams, just so these Leagues can maintain their, "This is an Elite Special National League" Illusions going. Well, strap in people and get out your check book, these next few years are going to be interesting...
 
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