Age Split.....What are you going to do?

Real Deal said:
Well you have no problem with them funding your 04 DA team, do you? How would you like it if that suddenly became a dual age band 03/04 team??? :rolleyes:o_O:p

Besides, my point was that- at the paid academies- the 03 DA participants would probably be willing to pay the overage anyway.
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Actually, they aren’t funding it. I pay more than the non DA ‘04 parents pay. Now I’m not naive enough to think that some “Main club” dues don’t end up supporting DA, but they aire as sugar don’t find it!

Dual Age Band 03/04, you mean like what will happen in 19/20? Yah...sucks....not looking forward to my DD stressing about it. We have a lot of friends on the current ‘03 roster and many are understandably not happy. I think it would be easier to accept if there was a secondary league that also laid out a path to Recruitment like ECNL witching an hours+ drive but there isn’t. We have DPL or SCDSL and I don’t have faith that’s DPL will Up it’s game to create that pathway.

I want to reiterate that I’m not against keeping the ‘03’s age pure. I am only stating what has been explained to me in that much of the decision was driven by Finances.
 
Heard that coaches in AZ are telling people at tryouts that there will be a pilot 03 DA program like the Frontier division. When I asked the parent if she ment DPL. She explained that they would have 4 teams. 03 State team, 03 DPL team, 03 Pilot DA team and the 02/03 DA team.

I can't find anything on DA's site about the Southwest or Frontier divisions having this.

Has anyone heard this from their club?
 
Heard the same thing at our club, pilot 03 DA/dpl team that will not be allowed to play HS. And follow same schedule as DA 02/03 team. To me just sounds like a way to try an keep existing 03 DA girls from jumping ship.
 
SoccerLife75 said:
Heard the same thing at our club, pilot 03 DA/dpl team that will not be allowed to play HS. And follow same schedule as DA 02/03 team. To me just sounds like a way to try an keep existing 03 DA girls from jumping ship.
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This is a decision with the clubs best interest in mind...not the players. Our DPL team has many players who bypassed recent DA training/ID opportunities choosing to play high school and DPL. While the merits and quality of HS soccer are the subject of much debate the fact is players who made a choice to play may now be forced into a unwanted situation. I get the DA and no HS rule...why force it on to the next level down? Why not just ban HS for all club players?
In areas where ECNL is not an option DPL is the best #2 option...I think DPL will get a lot of push back on the HS rule but in the end the clubs always prevail.
 
Look. You want to play for fun - go play HS.

I have no idea if this cockamamie DPL pilot thing will come to fruition or it will offer value to players.

DA and allegedly the DPL are there for kids to play the highest level. There are many kids who have a mission to perhaps play in the US national program or at the very least a very good college. They don’t care about high school. They know who all the national players are on each team and if they’ve attended a session they know the players personally. Even if they never play a minute in the program, they are pursuing that. That’s a whole different level.

I suspect much of the consternation comes from parents still fond of their times with their letterman’s jacket, thinking that HS is the end all be all - and that it’s some kind of crime that these kids can’t play.

We know a kid that played sports, got a 4.8 gpa 1550 SAT, and 35 ACT and he was denied by every UC school. What if colleges started telling students, if you want to get in - unless you want to play college sports, and know you’ll get an offer, skip HS sports and take more college prep classes? What would happen then?

HS is a lot of fun. My kids have enjoyed it. DA is an incredible experience. Ask most kids in North Carolina - the feeling is special.

It just comes down to whether the kid wants to pursue a high level of play or play for fun. There’s no real right or wrong answer. These kids have the power to decide.
 
Josep said:
Look. You want to play for fun - go play HS.

I have no idea if this cockamamie DPL pilot thing will come to fruition or it will offer value to players.

DA and allegedly the DPL are there for kids to play the highest level. There are many kids who have a mission to perhaps play in the US national program or at the very least a very good college. They don’t care about high school. They know who all the national players are on each team and if they’ve attended a session they know the players personally. Even if they never play a minute in the program, they are pursuing that. That’s a whole different level.

I suspect much of the consternation comes from parents still fond of their times with their letterman’s jacket, thinking that HS is the end all be all - and that it’s some kind of crime that these kids can’t play.

We know a kid that played sports, got a 4.8 gpa 1550 SAT, and 35 ACT and he was denied by every UC school. What if colleges started telling students, if you want to get in - unless you want to play college sports, and know you’ll get an offer, skip HS sports and take more college prep classes? What would happen then?

HS is a lot of fun. My kids have enjoyed it. DA is an incredible experience. Ask most kids in North Carolina - the feeling is special.

It just comes down to whether the kid wants to pursue a high level of play or play for fun. There’s no real right or wrong answer. These kids have the power to decide.
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This has nothing to do with parents and egos. Why can’t a player play high level club and HS working towards the next level. ECNL made it work for many years. Why is soccer making these changes but not any other sport? Control is the answer...it is not about the kids.

Sounds like too many parents buying into DA as path to the National team. It has just replaced ECNL as the best path to college with a new set of rules now funneling down to lower levels.
 
Josep said:
Look. You want to play for fun - go play HS.

I have no idea if this cockamamie DPL pilot thing will come to fruition or it will offer value to players.

DA and allegedly the DPL are there for kids to play the highest level. .
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DPL highest level. Thanks for the laugh!
 
Josep said:
We know a kid that played sports, got a 4.8 gpa 1550 SAT, and 35 ACT and he was denied by every UC school. What if colleges started telling students, if you want to get in - unless you want to play college sports, and know you’ll get an offer, skip HS sports and take more college prep classes? What would happen then?
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I guarantee this is NOT true. I am sure he/she did not apply to Santa Cruz and Merced. Yes they are both UCs. the UCs are not just about grades. The essay part of the application plays a big part of it because the schools want students that have extracurricular passions, volunteerism, and will contribute to the school culturally. Didn't you read the application "No pasty white bookworms need apply."

*pasty white refers to a lack of sun not race
 
Overtime said:
Who said DPL highest level? In some areas it is the next best level after DA where ECNL is not an option. That’s all.
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I think after ECNL and DA the age brkt makes a difference, my kids team isn't either but we are a pretty good team and give ECNL and DA teams a pretty good run for their money, but that is only 1 team in our club.
 
Josep said:
Look. You want to play for fun - go play HS.

I have no idea if this cockamamie DPL pilot thing will come to fruition or it will offer value to players.

DA and allegedly the DPL are there for kids to play the highest level. There are many kids who have a mission to perhaps play in the US national program or at the very least a very good college. They don’t care about high school. They know who all the national players are on each team and if they’ve attended a session they know the players personally. Even if they never play a minute in the program, they are pursuing that. That’s a whole different level.

I suspect much of the consternation comes from parents still fond of their times with their letterman’s jacket, thinking that HS is the end all be all - and that it’s some kind of crime that these kids can’t play.

We know a kid that played sports, got a 4.8 gpa 1550 SAT, and 35 ACT and he was denied by every UC school. What if colleges started telling students, if you want to get in - unless you want to play college sports, and know you’ll get an offer, skip HS sports and take more college prep classes? What would happen then?

HS is a lot of fun. My kids have enjoyed it. DA is an incredible experience. Ask most kids in North Carolina - the feeling is special.

It just comes down to whether the kid wants to pursue a high level of play or play for fun. There’s no real right or wrong answer. These kids have the power to decide.
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It is really impossible to have a UC gpa (the one they use for admissions) of 4.8 since they cap AP/IB classes at 8 semesters for the extra point on your grade. You also required to take PE in the 10th grade which can only be a 4.0. If the student played sports they also had this for the 11th grade. So 4.4 is about as high as you can get. So for a 4.8 they have to be including more AP/IB classes and not counting other types of classes such as Health, Computers, etc. that are required for HS graduation. So they are being selective in what they include to say that gpa.
 
Fact said:
Josep
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Actually what I said was...

I have no idea if this cockamamie DPL pilot thing will come to fruition or it will offer value to players.

If clubs prioritize it or Colleges identify that as a pathway to college play, that’s on them.
 
Simisoccerfan said:
It is really impossible to have a UC gpa (the one they use for admissions) of 4.8 since they cap AP/IB classes at 8 semesters for the extra point on your grade. You also required to take PE in the 10th grade which can only be a 4.0. If the student played sports they also had this for the 11th grade. So 4.4 is about as high as you can get. So for a 4.8 they have to be including more AP/IB classes and not counting other types of classes such as Health, Computers, etc. that are required for HS graduation. So they are being selective in what they include to say that gpa.
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I’m not the child’s parent. I’m going by what I was told. I used it as scenario of, what if colleges told kids explicitly, we will penalize you if you use classes for sports after the requirement (10th grade).

It’s purely hypothetical.

The bottom line is, if your kid is wants to play HS, don’t put them in a league or level where that’s prohibited.

Nobody is forced to play DA with a gun to their heads. If this thing goes forward with DPL, nobody will force a gun to the head of a child to choose between that and HS.
 
Sheriff Joe said:
I think after ECNL and DA the age brkt makes a difference, my kids team isn't either but we are a pretty good team and give ECNL and DA teams a pretty good run for their money, but that is only 1 team in our club.
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How do you play DA teams if you’re not DA? That’s virtually impossible beyond some kind of scrimmage, and we all know the value of those.
 
Simisoccerfan said:
It is really impossible to have a UC gpa (the one they use for admissions) of 4.8 since they cap AP/IB classes at 8 semesters for the extra point on your grade. You also required to take PE in the 10th grade which can only be a 4.0. If the student played sports they also had this for the 11th grade. So 4.4 is about as high as you can get. So for a 4.8 they have to be including more AP/IB classes and not counting other types of classes such as Health, Computers, etc. that are required for HS graduation. So they are being selective in what they include to say that gpa.
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As a freshman it is possible to have a 4.8 if you have all honors courses and get a waiver for PE. Yes, we all know that the UC system will only give the extra weighted grade for a maximum of four classes (8 semesters max), and they have to be in your junior and senior year I believe, but that doesn't mean that the high school only calculates the 8 semesters when determining the hs gpa.Again, this would be for freshman and possibly sophomore years if they get the PE waiver, until they have to take computer class etc.
 
Overtime said:
This has nothing to do with parents and egos. Why can’t a player play high level club and HS working towards the next level. ECNL made it work for many years. Why is soccer making these changes but not any other sport? Control is the answer...it is not about the kids.

Sounds like too many parents buying into DA as path to the National team. It has just replaced ECNL as the best path to college with a new set of rules now funneling down to lower levels.
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You can play another sport in high school, just not soccer. Cross training is perfectly ok if you can work out the schedule which many kids do. Why would you train hard all year with a pretty good coach and good players, then turn around and play with a coach who may be not as qualified. If you want the raw-raw of high school sports fine, cross train with another sport.
 
HaveFun said:
Heard that coaches in AZ are telling people at tryouts that there will be a pilot 03 DA program like the Frontier division. When I asked the parent if she ment DPL. She explained that they would have 4 teams. 03 State team, 03 DPL team, 03 Pilot DA team and the 02/03 DA team.

I can't find anything on DA's site about the Southwest or Frontier divisions having this.

Has anyone heard this from their club?
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Heard the same rumor, don't know if it is true. I guess we will all find out at some point, at least about the 03 Pilot DA team like the Frontier division.
 
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