CIF State Playoffs

Southern Cal seeding entries --

ENTRIES – Seeding Procedures Soccer
................DI DII DIII DIV DV
Central.6.......1...1...1....1...2
Los Angeles.6...1...1...1....2...1
San Diego.8.....2...2...2....1...1
Southern.20.....4...4...4....4...4
 
Is there a document that details the playoff rules and bracket seeding at the league level? I guess that you would say the first level of playoffs. San Diego specifically, but I guess Southern section may be the same.
 
Southern Cal seeding entries --

ENTRIES – Seeding Procedures Soccer
................DI DII DIII DIV DV
Central.6.......1...1...1....1...2
Los Angeles.6...1...1...1....2...1
San Diego.8.....2...2...2....1...1
Southern.20.....4...4...4....4...4
What does this mean?
 
Is there a document that details the playoff rules and bracket seeding at the league level? I guess that you would say the first level of playoffs. San Diego specifically, but I guess Southern section may be the same.

http://www.cifsds.org/uploads/2/3/3/6/23368454/2017-2018_soccer_championships__3_.pdf
Is there a document that details the playoff rules and bracket seeding at the league level? I guess that you would say the first level of playoffs. San Diego specifically, but I guess Southern section may be the same.

San Diego CIF Soccer Championship Bulletin is posted at http://www.cifsds.org/uploads/2/3/3/6/23368454/2017-2018_soccer_championships__3_.pdf
 
Is there a document that details the playoff rules and bracket seeding at the league level? I guess that you would say the first level of playoffs. San Diego specifically, but I guess Southern section may be the same.

Each league is guaranteed at least one spot in the playoffs, but most leagues cross over more than one Division, so the seeds get a little odd sometimes. Also, each league champion is guaranteed a first-round home game, unless paired up with another league champion with a better ranking.

Rankings for all teams are shown in the CIFSDS Power Rankings page, arranged by sport, year, gender and division. The actual seedings are assigned by a committee that meets the Saturday after league play ends - they usually follow the Power Rankings pretty closely.
 
Each league is guaranteed at least one spot in the playoffs, but most leagues cross over more than one Division, so the seeds get a little odd sometimes. Also, each league champion is guaranteed a first-round home game, unless paired up with another league champion with a better ranking.

Rankings for all teams are shown in the CIFSDS Power Rankings page, arranged by sport, year, gender and division. The actual seedings are assigned by a committee that meets the Saturday after league play ends - they usually follow the Power Rankings pretty closely.
Thanks, exactly what a newbie needs.
 
Playoffs are out...very confusing seeding, hopefully someone can provide some guidance. For example, there is a school in Southern section that won their league however they ended up in division 4 and the third place team in division 2? How does this work? Do they try to balance schools evenly or the schools decide their division??
 
Playoffs are out...very confusing seeding, hopefully someone can provide some guidance. For example, there is a school in Southern section that won their league however they ended up in division 4 and the third place team in division 2? How does this work? Do they try to balance schools evenly or the schools decide their division??

Which schools?
 
I posted this in the other thread but I'll post here as well...How did Esperanza and Foothill get spots in Div 1 when they placed 3rd and 4th in Div 2 league?
 
I posted this in the other thread but I'll post here as well...How did Esperanza and Foothill get spots in Div 1 when they placed 3rd and 4th in Div 2 league?

CIF looks at your school league records for the past two years to determine your Division. I will explain with my school so that it makes sense. We play in a Division 5 league but because our records of the past 2 years have been positive(won league twice) we will now play playoffs in Division 4. even though we finished in 3rd this year. one of the school finished in 2nd place, but because their record the past two years weren't as good, this year they would play CIF in Division 6. Last year we lost the first round in CIF to a team who played in Division 2 league but because it was their first time making it to CIF in years they weren't considered a D2 team, instead they played under D4 and they lost in the Semis. This is a new change that started last year. Godinez HS is a perfect example. They played in a D5 league, they won CIF in D5 and made State Final, the following year they won CIF in D3 and won State Final. This year they were moved to D1 CIF even though they finished 4th in their league.
 
CIF looks at your school league records for the past two years to determine your Division. I will explain with my school so that it makes sense. We play in a Division 5 league but because our records of the past 2 years have been positive(won league twice) we will now play playoffs in Division 4. even though we finished in 3rd this year. one of the school finished in 2nd place, but because their record the past two years weren't as good, this year they would play CIF in Division 6. Last year we lost the first round in CIF to a team who played in Division 2 league but because it was their first time making it to CIF in years they weren't considered a D2 team, instead they played under D4 and they lost in the Semis. This is a new change that started last year. Godinez HS is a perfect example. They played in a D5 league, they won CIF in D5 and made State Final, the following year they won CIF in D3 and won State Final. This year they were moved to D1 CIF even though they finished 4th in their league.

Wow, that's nuts! I had no idea the schools could be scattered throughout the divisions so erratically. Thanks for the info.
 
Your explanation makes sense, why CIF would do it like that does not.
In the CIF Southern Section the playoff division for each team is determined prior to the season based on their competitive results from the two previous seasons. As a result, leagues are no longer homogeneous in terms of playoff division. For example, the Academy Girls League has Div 4, 5 and 6 teams. See my post at http://www.socalsoccer.com/threads/2017-2018-cif-ss-girls-high-school-thread.4722/page-3#post-162468
 
....This year they were moved to D1 CIF even though they finished 4th in their league.
Actually, they started the season knowing they would be competing for a Div 1 playoff spot due to the power ranking they earned for the two previous highly successful seasons. They were lucky to have earned an at large playoff spot this year in Div 1 with a 4th place league finish. If divisions were still based on the old size criteria their season would already be over.
 
In the CIF Southern Section the playoff division for each team is determined prior to the season based on their competitive results from the two previous seasons. As a result, leagues are no longer homogeneous in terms of playoff division. For example, the Academy Girls League has Div 4, 5 and 6 teams. See my post at http://www.socalsoccer.com/threads/2017-2018-cif-ss-girls-high-school-thread.4722/page-3#post-162468
I got ya papa, that’s how they populate the divisions, it just does not make sense to me. So a school has a good class or two and they jump up. The school population does not change, and when that strong group of classes graduates. It’s a seesaw worse than before.
 
I got ya papa, that’s how they populate the divisions, it just does not make sense to me. So a school has a good class or two and they jump up. The school population does not change, and when that strong group of classes graduates. It’s a seesaw worse than before.
Personally it seems that the potential "seesaw" effect is better than the other alternative which is a school performs better than their population predicts and ends up blowing out all the teams in their division and winning CIF every year. The way it is currently set up there is more potentional for teams to play equivalent skill leveled teams at the CIF level. On another note, on the girls side Academy may have effected some teams so they may have been a Division 1 team for the past 2 years and then lost their "studs" to Academy and so performed poorly.
 
Just for the record - San Diego Section assigns divisions using a 5-year weighted average (recent years count more) of season-end (after playoffs) rankings which closely match those published by Maxpreps.com. When this system replaced the older divisions based on enrollment, there was a limit of the number of divisions a school could move each year. There are still a couple of schools that have not moved into the right division (OLP girls, for example).
 
Just for the record - San Diego Section assigns divisions using a 5-year weighted average (recent years count more) of season-end (after playoffs) rankings which closely match those published by Maxpreps.com. When this system replaced the older divisions based on enrollment, there was a limit of the number of divisions a school could move each year. There are still a couple of schools that have not moved into the right division (OLP girls, for example).
My impression from reading various posts on SocalSoccer in recent years is that current season results are factored into the SDS power rankings. Is this correct? If so, it contrasts with the Southern Section approach which relies solely on the two previous seasons.
 
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