SCDSL adding Discovery Division

Kicker4Life said:
Works best if DPL goes away and those teams move into this division. Could create a better environment for a lot of the soon to be displaced players looking for high level competition that aren’t geographically near ECNL Clubs.

You’ll never get ECNL teams to switch....why would they leave the ECNL league?
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Speaking from the DPL standpoint it would make no sense to join this league. We play the 2nd teams at some very good clubs and we don't have to drive to Silverlakes every weekend. Parking is free. We already video the games. 1/2 the games are at home and many of the the away games are against teams located closer to the ocean. Also there are 10 DPL teams including the Arizona team. Only 12 teams will be in this new bracket.
 
JJP said:
Yea I agree DA doesn’t compete directly with CSL and SCDSL, but they all compete for talent. DA is great but the travel for games is ridiculous. CSL, SCDSL and all the other local leagues can compete with DA for talent by offering games vs. quality local teams with less travel, I think that’s a winning idea, and the way to do that would be to merge the top division in each league.
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Whats ridiculous is the amount of coaches that attended the DA Florida Showcase. The amount of attention DA teams are getting from college coaches is insane. Unless SCDSL or other local leagues can replicate this attention they will never be able to come close to drawing the talent to compete with the DA. The same goes for the local leagues competing against ECNL.
 
Justafan said:
Relax BRO, I know DA is the top league (at least 2003 and younger). That's what I was trying to tell JJP. As for my ECNL statement, wouldn't you agree that this new division would be even stronger and better (steel sharpening steel) if the ECNL teams were also involved? That was my point.

Now with respect to your condescending tone, a little much.
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If you look back to page 1, I said the top 4 teams should play the top 4 DPL teams and the top 4 from there should play the top 4 ECNL teams in SoCal at each age group. So we're not saying anything different - I just didn't call for the other leagues to disband to make it happen. Are you not justafan of mine?
 
Simisoccerfan said:
Speaking from the DPL standpoint it would make no sense to join this league. We play the 2nd teams at some very good clubs and we don't have to drive to Silverlakes every weekend. Parking is free. We already video the games. 1/2 the games are at home and many of the the away games are against teams located closer to the ocean. Also there are 10 DPL teams including the Arizona team. Only 12 teams will be in this new bracket.
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From a pure competition standpoint you are wrong. Two of our DPL Teams toughest competition came in CRL and national league. Teens toughest competition came in CRL and National League.

From an economic, time and travel I would agree with you.
 
The land grab for great park is a mighty one. Surf has their hands on it now. It isn’t that easy to grab fields there.
 
Kicker4Life said:
From a pure competition standpoint you are wrong. Two of our DPL Teams toughest competition came in CRL and national league. Teens toughest competition came in CRL and National League.

From an economic, time and travel I would agree with you.
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Don't understand your point. So what that two of YOUR teams toughest competitions came outside of DPL? I made no reference to your team. In fact I made no reference to the competition in DPL other than the league consists of the 2nd teams at some good clubs which is actually a factual statement.
 
broshark said:
If you look back to page 1, I said the top 4 teams should play the top 4 DPL teams and the top 4 from there should play the top 4 ECNL teams in SoCal at each age group. So we're not saying anything different - I just didn't call for the other leagues to disband to make it happen. Are you not justafan of mine?
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Agree with everything you say here, you just sounded mean.
 
Simisoccerfan said:
Speaking from the DPL standpoint it would make no sense to join this league. . . Also there are 10 DPL teams including the Arizona team. Only 12 teams will be in this new bracket.
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You know at first I got excited about the possibility of DPL also joining this "division." After all, its most of the same clubs. However, as you point out, there are 10 DPL teams and only 12 spots, so I don't think they will take the chance that some DPL teams would not make the 12 team cut. Oh well, wishful thinking.
 
Simisoccerfan said:
Don't understand your point. So what that two of YOUR teams toughest competitions came outside of DPL? I made no reference to your team. In fact I made no reference to the competition in DPL other than the league consists of the 2nd teams at some good clubs which is actually a factual statement.
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No but your agreement consisted of the inference that DPL teams are better than those in SCDSL Champions or Flight 1 whatever you want to call it. You play the #2 teams at DA Clubs, that’s a fact but there are many Top Teams at Affiliate Clubs and smaller clubs that are better than most of those #2 Teams. Not knocking DPL Teams or the experience many have had so far.

So what is my point....That an Open League that aims to consolidating some of the talent and create an environment doesn’t sound all that bad. Including those DPL teams would only benefit them and the league if you consider the level of play from top to bottom.
 
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Kicker4Life said:
No but your agreement consisted of the inference that DPL teams are better than those in SCDSL Champions or Flight 1 whatever you want to call it. You play the #2 teams at DA Clubs, that’s a fact but there are many Top Teams at Affiliate Clubs and smaller clubs that are better than most of those #2 Teams. Not knocking DPL Teams or the experience many have had so far.

So what is my point....That an Open League that aims to consolidating some of the talent and create an environment doesn’t sound all that bad. Including those DPL teams would only benefit them and the league of You consider the level of play from top to bottom.
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You are reading my statement from your own bias. I did not infer DPL was better in my statement. As you agree I just stated a fact the DPL plays the 2nd teams at some good clubs. That doesn’t mean other good clubs don’t exist. It doesn’t mean that DPL is better. I think we can all agree Beach, Legends, LA Galaxy SD, Eagles, Pateadores, Real SoCal, ... are good clubs. So stop trying to sell your agenda. You sound like you have an inferiority complex bragging that their are MANY affiliated teams and smaller clubs with teams better than most of those teams and trying to read too much into what I wrote.

How does DPL teams benefit? There is only 12 spots and 9 SoCal DPL teams.
 
Simisoccerfan said:
You are reading my statement from your own bias. I did not infer DPL was better in my statement. As you agree I just stated a fact the DPL plays the 2nd teams at some good clubs. That doesn’t mean other good clubs don’t exist. It doesn’t mean that DPL is better. I think we can all agree Beach, Legends, LA Galaxy SD, Eagles, Pateadores, Real SoCal, ... are good clubs. So stop trying to sell your agenda. You sound like you have an inferiority complex bragging that their are MANY affiliated teams and smaller clubs with teams better than most of those teams and trying to read too much into what I wrote.

How does DPL teams benefit? There is only 12 spots and 9 SoCal DPL teams.
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What bias would that be?
 
mirage said:
How is this the case? The new division will be filled with existing flight 1 teams, mostly from the Champions division. Its not a new league with whole new set of teams....
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Its an elitist division. SCDSL basically saying league play as is isnt good by doing this or a way to make more money. Since SCDSL has no pro/rel how will they approve 12 or whatever teams? So what happens to a team that isnt performing well? What if other teams want in? Theyll add teams. More watering down will occur. You pluck good teams out and the clubs coming in will fill old spots with kids who shouldnt be playing flight 1. As you said, already many subpar teams playing. Will cause more issues than whatever issue they feel this solves. Already avenues for good play. Maybe showcases should be swapped out for mini-tournaments with teams slotted for better competition. Teams playing at high level can get enough competition with the loads of tournaments. This is just doing something for sake of doing it.
 
JJP said:
Yea I agree DA doesn’t compete directly with CSL and SCDSL, but they all compete for talent. DA is great but the travel for games is ridiculous. CSL, SCDSL and all the other local leagues can compete with DA for talent by offering games vs. quality local teams with less travel, I think that’s a winning idea, and the way to do that would be to merge the top division in each league.
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More dissection isnt the answer. Removing quality teams from what exists now dilutes the system. If I were all powerful Id merge all the leagues under one Cal South umbrella/league - getting kids in one giant playing pool. Then we could progress and develop kids better - and maybe kids could have fun as well.
 
uburoi said:
You are doing a great job as the spokesperson for the SCDSL. The SCDSL only cares about money and not the development of players. That’s why kids leave for other leagues. Restating what you already said doesn’t change this proposition.
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MWN's kid plays for Arsenal SCDSL the shittiest club possible and most expensive. Makes perfect sense.
 
Not_that_Serious said:
More dissection isnt the answer. Removing quality teams from what exists now dilutes the system. If I were all powerful Id merge all the leagues under one Cal South umbrella/league - getting kids in one giant playing pool. Then we could progress and develop kids better - and maybe kids could have fun as well.
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Aren’t we saying the same thing using different words?

Me: take the top teams in each league and put them in one division
You: merge all the leagues and put the top teams in the top division

Either way, the best non DA players end up playing vs. each other.
 
Simisoccerfan said:
Whats ridiculous is the amount of coaches that attended the DA Florida Showcase. The amount of attention DA teams are getting from college coaches is insane. Unless SCDSL or other local leagues can replicate this attention they will never be able to come close to drawing the talent to compete with the DA. The same goes for the local leagues competing against ECNL.
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DA will always get more attention because most of the very few elite players are in DA.
 
broshark said:
who died playing at Norco last year?

I hear they play soccer in Arizona. Does their league only run in December?
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I don't know of any that died but I do know of players that collapsed on the field from the heat and were taken by ambulance to the hospital.
 
How is this new creation any different from the Premier Division of CSL? Again, it seems to be SCDSL's version of CSL's Premier teams. I like the idea of having a CRL type structure where the top teams from CSL, SCDSL, DPL, and ECNL play each other in a fall league
 
Soccer43 said:
How is this new creation any different from the Premier Division of CSL? Again, it seems to be SCDSL's version of CSL's Premier teams. I like the idea of having a CRL type structure where the top teams from CSL, SCDSL, DPL, and ECNL play each other in a fall league
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That difference is simple -- the powers that be who control this league (club DOC's), will be able to assure that, no matter how poorly their teams perform, they are guaranteed entry every season. In CSL Premier, results matter. There are always poiltics, and Premier's bylaws state it is an "invitation" league, but invitations work on the basis of promotion/relegation around 96% of the time.

Regardless of the committees they form or their stated mission, SCDSL history has shown that politics and relationships are the driving factor for scheduling and "bracketing." There should not be an expectation that this league will be different.

Back in 2006, there existed a league for the best boys and girls in Socal to play against each other in the fall, and it was indeed called CSL Premier. The rest is history, and no amount of wishing is likely to unscramble the omelet of the present.
 
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