No Medics At CSL League Cup??

ElGringo49

ElGringo49

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Our B05 team was in Lancaster for the 2nd round of the CSL League Cup yesterday (Saturday).
In game 1, one of our boys fell out of bounds hard and was in a lot of pain. One of the parents went looking for the medic tent and was told by people working there that there was no medic tent and the only 2 choices were to call 911 or the drive the player to the hospital themselves. So the parents took the later. Of course the urgent care at Kaiser down the street was closed and ended up going to the Antelope Valley Hospital. The player did break his upper arm.

Game 2 our goalie collided with another player on a breakaway save and after a few minutes down, complained among other things, blurry vision. We took him in and was diagnosed was an obvious concussion.

So the obvious question this are on duty medics required for CSL / Cal South tournaments. We always see them at other tournaments and even at AYSO tournaments when we played there in the past. I know the end result would be a trip to urgent care or a hospital anyway for these injuries, but the medics could of provided some treatment on scene and determine how serious the injuries are.
 
It's a free tournament. Nobody is forced to sign up or participate. There are plenty of expensive tournaments that your a team can sign up for that provide "first aid" tents. In the future, prior to registering, check with the tournament director. If they don't provide a "medic", skip it and look for one that does but please don't try and ruin the few remaining inexpensive events for the rest of the people who just want to play soccer.
 
El Clasico said:
It's a free tournament. Nobody is forced to sign up or participate. There are plenty of expensive tournaments that your a team can sign up for that provide "first aid" tents. In the future, prior to registering, check with the tournament director. If they don't provide a "medic", skip it and look for one that does but please don't try and ruin the few remaining inexpensive events for the rest of the people who just want to play soccer.
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Just asking a question, no need to be a dick about it....
 
ElGringo49 said:
Our B05 team was in Lancaster for the 2nd round of the CSL League Cup yesterday (Saturday).
In game 1, one of our boys fell out of bounds hard and was in a lot of pain. One of the parents went looking for the medic tent and was told by people working there that there was no medic tent and the only 2 choices were to call 911 or the drive the player to the hospital themselves. So the parents took the later. Of course the urgent care at Kaiser down the street was closed and ended up going to the Antelope Valley Hospital. The player did break his upper arm.

Game 2 our goalie collided with another player on a breakaway save and after a few minutes down, complained among other things, blurry vision. We took him in and was diagnosed was an obvious concussion.

So the obvious question this are on duty medics required for CSL / Cal South tournaments. We always see them at other tournaments and even at AYSO tournaments when we played there in the past. I know the end result would be a trip to urgent care or a hospital anyway for these injuries, but the medics could of provided some treatment on scene and determine how serious the injuries are.
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You would think with the DA and the way they take care of their players CSL would up their game a little bit.
 
El Clasico said:
It's a free tournament. Nobody is forced to sign up or participate. There are plenty of expensive tournaments that your a team can sign up for that provide "first aid" tents. In the future, prior to registering, check with the tournament director. If they don't provide a "medic", skip it and look for one that does but please don't try and ruin the few remaining inexpensive events for the rest of the people who just want to play soccer.
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Low class.
 
ElGringo49 said:
Our B05 team was in Lancaster for the 2nd round of the CSL League Cup yesterday (Saturday).
In game 1, one of our boys fell out of bounds hard and was in a lot of pain. One of the parents went looking for the medic tent and was told by people working there that there was no medic tent and the only 2 choices were to call 911 or the drive the player to the hospital themselves. So the parents took the later. Of course the urgent care at Kaiser down the street was closed and ended up going to the Antelope Valley Hospital. The player did break his upper arm.

Game 2 our goalie collided with another player on a breakaway save and after a few minutes down, complained among other things, blurry vision. We took him in and was diagnosed was an obvious concussion.

So the obvious question this are on duty medics required for CSL / Cal South tournaments. We always see them at other tournaments and even at AYSO tournaments when we played there in the past. I know the end result would be a trip to urgent care or a hospital anyway for these injuries, but the medics could of provided some treatment on scene and determine how serious the injuries are.
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The "quick" answer is: CSL / Cal South doesn't give a sh-t about player safety. It will come back to bite them one of these days.
 
ElGringo49 said:
Our B05 team was in Lancaster for the 2nd round of the CSL League Cup yesterday (Saturday).
In game 1, one of our boys fell out of bounds hard and was in a lot of pain. One of the parents went looking for the medic tent and was told by people working there that there was no medic tent and the only 2 choices were to call 911 or the drive the player to the hospital themselves. So the parents took the later. Of course the urgent care at Kaiser down the street was closed and ended up going to the Antelope Valley Hospital. The player did break his upper arm.

Game 2 our goalie collided with another player on a breakaway save and after a few minutes down, complained among other things, blurry vision. We took him in and was diagnosed was an obvious concussion.

So the obvious question this are on duty medics required for CSL / Cal South tournaments. We always see them at other tournaments and even at AYSO tournaments when we played there in the past. I know the end result would be a trip to urgent care or a hospital anyway for these injuries, but the medics could of provided some treatment on scene and determine how serious the injuries are.
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All I here is whine, moan, cry, whine.
Medic tent would have done absolutely nothing to help out your players in these instances. You sound like you would have been complaining about something else anyway
 
TangoCity said:
The "quick" answer is: CSL / Cal South doesn't give a sh-t about player safety. It will come back to bite them one of these days.
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Do you really think DA and SCDSL care more about safety? I think they care more about marketing to parents.
 
El Clasico said:
It's a free tournament. Nobody is forced to sign up or participate. There are plenty of expensive tournaments that your a team can sign up for that provide "first aid" tents. In the future, prior to registering, check with the tournament director. If they don't provide a "medic", skip it and look for one that does but please don't try and ruin the few remaining inexpensive events for the rest of the people who just want to play soccer.
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Really is it free? For that price I would bring my own medic.
 
ElGringo49 said:
Our B05 team was in Lancaster for the 2nd round of the CSL League Cup yesterday (Saturday).
In game 1, one of our boys fell out of bounds hard and was in a lot of pain. One of the parents went looking for the medic tent and was told by people working there that there was no medic tent and the only 2 choices were to call 911 or the drive the player to the hospital themselves. So the parents took the later. Of course the urgent care at Kaiser down the street was closed and ended up going to the Antelope Valley Hospital. The player did break his upper arm.

Game 2 our goalie collided with another player on a breakaway save and after a few minutes down, complained among other things, blurry vision. We took him in and was diagnosed was an obvious concussion.


So the obvious question this are on duty medics required for CSL / Cal South tournaments. We always see them at other tournaments and even at AYSO tournaments when we played there in the past. I know the end result would be a trip to urgent care or a hospital anyway for these injuries, but the medics could of provided some treatment on scene and determine how serious the injuries are.
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"Medics" what ever that means, would not be able to provide any treatment other than holding your hand. If you need treatment or transport call 911. If it's not an emergency drive the patient to the nearest hospital.
 
Toch said:
All I here is whine, moan, cry, whine.
Medic tent would have done absolutely nothing to help out your players in these instances. You sound like you would have been complaining about something else anyway
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I'm sure you would feel differently if it were your kid with an arm fx or a concussion.

OP barely joined a few weeks ago and simply asked a question. And people wonder why new members are reluctant to join or ask a simple question.
 
They are usually EMTs or athletic trainers. It's rare to see actual PMs out there. They usually have the equipment to at least render some basic aid for the routine injuries. Major trauma, etc you'll be calling 911. But it's still nice to have them for example splint a wrist fx or something and give a kid some basic relief before they drive to the ER. Especially since it can be a long drive depending where you are playing and where the closest ER is.
Let's say grandpa came out to watch the game and starts having chest pain. How far away are the first responders? The AV for example is a pretty big area that LACoFD covers. Lancaster and Palmdale are very busy areas. The closest station to the Lancaster complex may not be the one responding. Help could be further away. The crews at the field should hopefully have 02 to give him..and if it's your loved one I'm pretty damn sure you'll be thankful they were there.
 
To my knowledge the "leagues" (SCDSL, CSL and Presidio) do not provide medical for the lower level teams. CSL Premiere does get medical (EMTs and Athletic Trainers) and the DA requires 1 AT for every 2 fields.

There is 1 complex in SoCal that has mandated EMTs and ATs for all tournaments and league play: Galway Downs in Temecula (http://www.galwaydowns.com/soccer/). I was at Silverlakes this weekend and no medical tent to be seen, but parking was the same price as Galway Downs. I would hope this changes soon and all large complexes adopt a policy of providing medical.

Cal South requires medical to be present at its State and National Cup tournaments, so @TangoCity's knock that Cal South doesn't care is not accurate. In addition, all of the better tournaments also have medical care (Surf Cup, etc.). Please note that Cal South is just the State Association and does not operate the leagues (SCDSL, CSL, Presidio, Recreational leagues, etc.), which undertake their own policies regarding medical.

The problem with providing medical for league games is simply one of cost. The average EMT costs about $30/hr and Athletic Trainers are $40/hr when billed by most medical service providers (those that carry insurance). Clubs can get cheaper ones that don't come with insurance. As long as parents are willing to pay the bill through higher fees, then having an AT or EMT is fairly easy.

With regard to @Toch's comment that having EMT or AT would have "done nothing," I disagree. In the case of a broken arm, the EMT/AT is going to stabilize the arm using a cardboard splint, apply ice to the area to reduce swelling, have aspirin, Tylenol or Advil available to help with pain and reduce swelling, and recommend the nearest Urgent Care or hospital with X-Ray capability. These actions have an immediate benefit of making the player and parents feel better. In the case of a break, stabilizing the arm also reduces the risk of nerve damage and/or additional injury. In the case of a concussion, taking the decision out of the hands of coaches and parents, who sometimes have "conflicts of interest" (... he's good, just a knock on the head, he can go back in) is important, especially in light of the new concussion law (AB-2007).
 
MWN said:
To my knowledge the "leagues" (SCDSL, CSL and Presidio) do not provide medical for the lower level teams. CSL Premiere does get medical (EMTs and Athletic Trainers) and the DA requires 1 AT for every 2 fields.

There is 1 complex in SoCal that has mandated EMTs and ATs for all tournaments and league play: Galway Downs in Temecula (http://www.galwaydowns.com/soccer/). I was at Silverlakes this weekend and no medical tent to be seen, but parking was the same price as Galway Downs. I would hope this changes soon and all large complexes adopt a policy of providing medical.

Cal South requires medical to be present at its State and National Cup tournaments, so @TangoCity's knock that Cal South doesn't care is not accurate. In addition, all of the better tournaments also have medical care (Surf Cup, etc.). Please note that Cal South is just the State Association and does not operate the leagues (SCDSL, CSL, Presidio, Recreational leagues, etc.), which undertake their own policies regarding medical.

The problem with providing medical for league games is simply one of cost. The average EMT costs about $30/hr and Athletic Trainers are $40/hr when billed by most medical service providers (those that carry insurance). Clubs can get cheaper ones that don't come with insurance. As long as parents are willing to pay the bill through higher fees, then having an AT or EMT is fairly easy.

With regard to @Toch's comment that having EMT or AT would have "done nothing," I disagree. In the case of a broken arm, the EMT/AT is going to stabilize the arm using a cardboard splint, apply ice to the area to reduce swelling, have aspirin, Tylenol or Advil available to help with pain and reduce swelling, and recommend the nearest Urgent Care or hospital with X-Ray capability. These actions have an immediate benefit of making the player and parents feel better. In the case of a break, stabilizing the arm also reduces the risk of nerve damage and/or additional injury. In the case of a concussion, taking the decision out of the hands of coaches and parents, who sometimes have "conflicts of interest" (... he's good, just a knock on the head, he can go back in) is important, especially in light of the new concussion law (AB-2007).
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"CSL Premiere does get medical (EMTs and Athletic Trainers)"
This use to be true when the Premiere game were all at UCI but not now that the games are all over the place NO MORE. At UCI it was not a rare occurrence to see the ATC on the field and they would immobilized a suspected fracture, evaluate for concussion, ice ankles and wrists, so the ATC was a bit more valuable then some on the thread would have you believe. But then they could be the orthopedic surgeons of the forum and have a higher expectation of the care rendered on the field.
 
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