Building out of the back Animated Video (Coaches)

You guys are missing my point. All I'm saying is if there's no reason to pass it to your goalie. Then don't. I see to many teams do it just to do it. I see too many teams resetting when there's no need. If your team is already set in an attacking positions, why is there always that one right back or left back who turns it around to pass back to their goalie? Then I see the goalie do the stupidest things with the ball. Look go ahead and train your goalies to build out of the back. All I'm saying is don't waste 2 hours of practice on it wasting 5 good players to teach a goalie foot work. Those 5 good players could use that practice time more importantly for off sides trap training or how to guard against set pieces. But you're all right. I'm dumb and you're all smart because building out of the back is all new to you people and the latest trend. I've been building out of the back before you all were in diapers. So take little Susie and Johnny to your SCDL flight one and twos. And stay with the same teams and coaches till your little ones are able to play high school ball. Good for you. I hope they make varsity and you can watch them keep passing back to their goalies when there's absolutely no need at the moment in the game for it. I'll continue to watch my son go the other way up the field. Bye Felicia.
 
Dr. Richard Hurtz said:
You guys are missing my point. All I'm saying is if there's no reason to pass it to your goalie. Then don't. I see to many teams do it just to do it. I see too many teams resetting when there's no need. If your team is already set in an attacking positions, why is there always that one right back or left back who turns it around to pass back to their goalie? Then I see the goalie do the stupidest things with the ball. Look go ahead and train your goalies to build out of the back. All I'm saying is don't waste 2 hours of practice on it wasting 5 good players to teach a goalie foot work. Those 5 good players could use that practice time more importantly for off sides trap training or how to guard against set pieces. But you're all right. I'm dumb and you're all smart because building out of the back is all new to you people and the latest trend. I've been building out of the back before you all were in diapers. So take little Susie and Johnny to your SCDL flight one and twos. And stay with the same teams and coaches till your little ones are able to play high school ball. Good for you. I hope they make varsity and you can watch them keep passing back to their goalies when there's absolutely no need at the moment in the game for it. I'll continue to watch my son go the other way up the field. Bye Felicia.
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Because they are still learning the game. And the 5 players aren't teaching the goalie footwork. That's not how the CalSouth coaching program is set up to work. The rear defensive team is supposed to be learning the difference between when to pass it back and when to pass it forward, which is a subtlety which takes quite a while to learn. It's the difference between believing they are out there to learn v. they are out there just to win the game.
 
Dr. Richard Hurtz said:
You guys are missing my point. All I'm saying is if there's no reason to pass it to your goalie. Then don't. .
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These drills are just to get your team comfortable and in the correct positions during the build up phase. It's the simple idea that we have more players in our defensive third than the 1-3 attackers they have, especially when we are confident we can use our goalie as another outfield player, 'if' needed. The whole purpose of the video is just like you said, finding that open individual to take his or her time and space. If they commit more players or begin to 'press' like you said, our objective is to split their lines and escape. The goalie is a good option as it can draw a forward, then our job is to find that open individual..and the domino effect continues.

This is just a method to the madness of trying to find that individual for a successful build up. But yes, at times we have to clear it up if these avenues are not being created. Also, I don't play this style unless I have ALL players capable of doing so, not just a GK.

Thanks for all your replies.
 
To summarize Dr. Richard Hurtz:
1 - goalies can't play in the field, otherwise they wouldn't be goalies
2 - Don't pass back to the goalie "...if there's no reason."
3 - Goalies suck even at elite levels
4 - Don't waste field players time by incorporating goalie's into passing drills
5 - Goalies have no 1st touch and suck at passing
6 - Don't mess around with the back in your own 1/3 (just boot it up field where it is a 50/50 ball & keep fingers crossed)
7 - You don't want goalies involved in plays as that is where accidents happen (the other team scores; we don't want to encourage learning from mistakes)
8 - He knows how to build out of the back (just ask him)
9 - Get Hope Solo, she is available
10 - etc... etc... etc...
In response:
1 - People stop feeding the troll
2- Why are we taking someone serious with that screen name?

I will leave you with this, it is very simple on when to pass back to the goalie, when the goalies tell you to pass the f'ing ball back. For every time a goalie screws up a pass back, a field player hasn't passed the ball back (x10) and the goalie has to deal with it. I have seen many occasions of defenders attempting to dribble out of the back double & triple teamed while refining to pass back. Guess what, doesn't work. But what do I know. I am no doctor.
 
Never did I say just boot it up the field. My son is not in Cal South. And yes.. I was playing rondos before there was even a name for it people. Training time is important. If you want to spend you whole session on incorporating the goalie to learn how to build out of the back then go ahead. What I'm saying is.. there's more to be learned and if you do this video that was posted it's gonna take up your whole entire practice session. Try it, do it, move on... I wouldn't dwell on it. You want your son or daughter to be good? I mean really good?? Get him or her out of situation and surround him or her with better players. And I mean way better players. Stop relying on coaches doing " build out of the back " drills every night. It's not gonna help. Surround your child with talent and watch how fast they learn. The best coaching doesn't work. Playing with better teammates work. And it's a step by step system. Pulisic isn't good cause he got coaching. He's good cause he plays with top players. Surround yourself with success and you can be successful too.
 
My son is u10 now and they've been building from the back since u8. That first season was brutal in that the kids weren't skilled enough to constantly play back. There were many times I thought we should try to play forward. As you can guess there were many mistakes that led to easy goals and losses. I can honestly say opposing teams would only score unassisted goals. Fast forward to now where I see very few teams possess the ball better than them. They still need to improve their ball skills since they can get flustered with extremely fast teams pressing. And I still feel at times that the team should go forward more. But what can I say if the team is playing well without the type of athletes that other top teams possess. And as the field gets bigger I feel they'll be able to quickly close the gap against these fast teams who are used to dominating relying solely on their speed. This would all be the result from building from the back.
 
Cool. Build out of the back... imagine what the team could also do now if they learned other aspects of the game as well from an early age. I just get so aggravated when I see a player pass back to the goalie when his team already have set up an attack on their opponents goal... because it's been drilled to death at practice. Now the whole team has to reset and build out again. Teach it, practice it, whatever.. but learn when not to do it either. Coaches also need to teach that part. To pass back to the goalie when there's no need is just dumb. Also switch the play from side to side without going to the goalie.. like they always do.. it's just a waste of time. And time and space is everything in soccer. The more time a player has the more he can work on his I.Q. Passing to the goalie now lets the other team move forward on you. And if it's a bad pass on the goalie we'll now you just put pressure on your goalie for no apparent reason. Building out of the back is good. But knowing when and why is always better. And no one understands that part. They just copy the latest trends.
 
Yes the kids on my son's team often don't know the context in which to do things. And yes I don't think the ball should always be played back to the keeper. But at this point I trust that the coach knows more than me.
 
One of the other components of "building out of the back" is to retain possession by using all 11 of your players. You try to manipulate your opponents into a position that will allow you numerical superiority when you get forward.
By playing/building back, you hopefully move the opponent out of their defensive third.
It does require above average skills to maintain possession (and composure) under pressure.
The other thing about passing is this- some people view passing as moving then all around. But really, the purpose of passing is to move your opponents around.
 
Eagle33 said:
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put that spray away ! this is too entertaining!
a guy who was around before rondos, that's OLD
a guy who believes coaching does not matter , just put your kid on a team that is better then he is , that's priceless.
a guy who believes an 8 or 9 year old kid could cross the field to switch the attack without using his goalie , that's amazing
a guy with a team wouldn't play back ("when his team already have set up an attack on their opponents goal... ) from the back 1/3? his team is already attacking the goal without the ball. that's a mistake
a guy whose kid doesn't play Cal south ( does he play in SOCAL?) that makes sense actually .
and is his kid named Felicia? that's wrong ( I'm just sayin) but to each his own .
I'm loving IT.
 
charlie murphy said:
put that spray away ! this is too entertaining!
a guy who was around before rondos, that's OLD
a guy who believes coaching does not matter , just put your kid on a team that is better then he is , that's priceless.
a guy who believes an 8 or 9 year old kid could cross the field to switch the attack without using his goalie , that's amazing
a guy with a team wouldn't play back ("when his team already have set up an attack on their opponents goal... ) from the back 1/3? his team is already attacking the goal without the ball. that's a mistake
a guy whose kid doesn't play Cal south ( does he play in SOCAL?) that makes sense actually .
and is his kid named Felicia? that's wrong ( I'm just sayin) but to each his own .
I'm loving IT.
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Also never play to your goalie unless they are hope solo
 
The funny thing about this thread is that I was actually going to start a thread about how most teams at all age groups only seem to play kickball and never play back.
 
timbuck said:
By playing/building back, you hopefully move the opponent out of their defensive third.
It does require above average skills to maintain possession (and composure) under pressure.
The other thing about passing is this- some people view passing as moving then all around. But really, the purpose of passing is to move your opponents around.
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...some people view passing as moving the ball around. But really, the purpose of passing is to move your opponents around.

Corrected the bold part. Damn thumbs.
 
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