Surfref
PREMIER
Tournaments can modify the rules. All three had different rules.
Build out line - Can everyone please agree on the rules?
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Tournaments can modify the rules. All three had different rules.
coachrefparent
GOLD
I've seen tournaments modify Cal South rules, but rarely. That's crazy that they all communicated rules that contradicted Cal South. I've been in the same boat where assignors don't intervene and just point us to the rules posted on the website which are often outdated. Definitely a lot of disconnect in this "system."
soccerchauffer33
BRONZE
I am unclear about the off sides. So the BOL is now the new off sides line for the entire game and not just for the change of possession? If someone can help me out I would appreciate the clarification.
I don't know what you mean about "change of possession." If a player is in an offside position, but not impacting the play then there is no foul. Once a player in an offside position impacts the play, then a foul can be called, unless the Referee deems the player impact to be trifling and/or there is no negative impact (e.g. a ball is played to the striker in an offside position over the top drawing the defender to the player, but the ball bounces to the GK before the striker can touch the ball). Players cannot be in an offside position until they cross the half line. With the 7v7 and the BOL, the modification is players cannot be in an offside position until they cross the other team's BOL.
One of the biggest problems for spectators is understanding that just because a player is in an offside position, doesn't mean "offside" will be called UNLESS that player is involved in the play. Thus, offside occurs when a player is:
- In the opposition’s half (or beyond the oppositions BOL for 7v7).
- Interfering with play (that is, he’s part of the attacking move).
- Interfering with an opponent (that is, he’s preventing the opponent from defending against the attacking move).
- Gaining any advantage by being in that position.
I don't know about rarely, maybe it depends on the age group, but at 07 our first two tourneys had modified rules, the first allowed heading and the 2nd prohibited punts over the midline. In the 1st tourney only 1 of our 3 referee teams was aware of the allowed heading (ie read the rules of the tourney). 2nd tourney they all were aware of the limited punts. Last year most tournaments we played in had some form of modification to Calsouth rules and the knowledge of these by the refs was hit or miss. Our next two tourneys look like no modifications to the rules.
soccerchauffer33
BRONZE
Thanks for the help! So the center i
line for 7v7 is no longer relevant for off sides. The BOL is the "new center line"
line for 7v7 is no longer relevant for off sides. The BOL is the "new center line"
Yes, unless you played in SCDSL last year in which case, the BOL change to offside was abandoned in week 2 or 3 via a directive, but not updated in the rules, which caused parents' and coaches' heads to explode.
soccerchauffer33
BRONZE
All this does is further confuse players who are trying to grasp off sides at a young age. Now off sides position is no longer the center line but the BOL line and in a few years the BOL disappears and its now the center line.
Trust me, the will figure it out very quickly.
Surfref
PREMIER
Most of these 7v7 games will be officiated by a single referee. Having recently worked these 7v7 games I can honestly tell you that sometimes it is a guessing game as to whether the player was onside or offside. If in doubt, don't call it. It will be even more difficult if there is not a line drawn on the field and only cones setup on the sidelines. I guess that is why scores are not kept at those younger ages.
soccerchauffer33
BRONZE
I can understand the build in line, just not moving the off sides line.
Let me explain. The purpose of the changes are to spread out play and give the kids and chance to touch the ball. The 7v7's tend to be fresh off of rec playing "bunch ball." Indeed, the younger 7v7's still see a lot of bunch ball. The goal here is to spread them out. By moving the offside line from 1/2 to 3/4's of the field, we encourage forwards to push up more, thus, spreading out the field. The hope is these uLittles will have more time to make decisions and pass the ball around, which aids in development. Pushing the line up also neutralizes speed and rewards good first touches and passing.
umeweall
SILVER
The Mandatory start of the US Soccer, Player Development Initiative (PDI) caused many some rule studying time. The rules surrounding the Buildout line were in a continual state of confusion for the majority of the season in my area. This covered the gamut of referees, coaches, parents, AND league officials. One of the items that was plainly evident was that there had been no advance 'education' of the referees, or coaches, and little to no information given to parents at initial player registration. Added to the quagmire was that all groups followed the rules the same way. For a referee working games in multiple league/association/club assignments, it created confusion for them. For those paying close attention, they would have noticed that the US Soccer PDI document was issued THREE times, between Feb., 2017, and Oct. 2017. He document had subtle changes in it, for the mandatory rules. I will guarantee that there will be additional changes, before the next Fall season. This means that in each group, someone will need to stay on top of what is happening, to inform all parties.
For anyone interested, I have information on the PDI & small sided games, on my website:
For coaches: http://www.yatahoy.com/coaches-fyi-2/
For Just PDI Info.: http://www.yatahoy.com/us-soccer-player-development-initiative-small-sided-games-buildout-line/
For anyone interested, I have information on the PDI & small sided games, on my website:
For coaches: http://www.yatahoy.com/coaches-fyi-2/
For Just PDI Info.: http://www.yatahoy.com/us-soccer-player-development-initiative-small-sided-games-buildout-line/
Surfref
PREMIER
I refereed a few 7v7 games last summer and two games the first weekend of the fall season. Those games were a nightmare. The coaches, players and parents did not know the rules and the players were confused. This past Sunday I worked three 7v7 tournament finals. Everyone knew the rules. The players immediately retreated behind the buildout line and the keepers knew how to distribute the ball. The players even spread out and used the entire field. Hopefully US Soccer and Cal South do not tweak the rules again.
I propose an "expert" division for the best teams in 7v7 - dump all the buildout line and heading rules if they can show they already know how to play soccer.
umeweall
SILVER
One of the things that I have seen is that some are not marking their fields properly for the buildout line. The line ends up closer to the half line, or closer to the penalty area line. This defeats the purpose of the buildout line. In the case where it is closer to the penalty area line, it gives extra attacking space to opponents and is unfair to the goalkeeper/defenders. As for the rules, the initial shock will wear off, but there will always be the on-going challenge of educating new referees on the rules (which will be easier for them, as they will not have the 'old way' stuck in their head ), new coaches, and parents. Educating the parents is absolutely necessary to ensure that they are in tune with the game, and keeping them off the referees back. Coaches/parents who played in the 'day', often transpose their playing rules to the game of today. Things have changed.
No heading is a USSF and USYS mandate pursuant to the terms of settling the heading lawsuit. Not changing anytime.
The BOL can be changed, but you will have teams excluded or playing with a disadvantage during regional competition (State Cup).
What is the purpose of the buildout line? The result of whatever that purpose is is that skillful players and teams must play down to the level of those who can't. I don't see how that fits on the path to developing the best players into better players.
I run more doing a center on a single 7v7 than I do on a full field olders game, and much of it is sprinting trying to be in position to actually call offside. In my sons games this weekend 2 refs never left the center circle which meant that they could not even see the end line to call when the ball was out of bounds.