Why do club presidents/heads/boards/whatever keep problematic coaches?

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jbarr

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Why do they do it? They know that coaches are problematic and ignore all the signs and complains and keep the coach in the team despite that kid after kid decides to leave or not even sign up with the club because of the coach's negative traits.

Case in point, FC Valencia B07 Blue. Over the last three years, the coach (Carlos Santiesteban) has caused problems with his decisions and with his bad handling of situations and with his favoritism and yelling without teaching. Kid after kid has left. Parents have complained and Charles Martinez gets all defensive and tells parents to leave if they don't like it. Well, finally, the team exploded and 6 kids left the team in the last two months. Even the two most ferocious moms who protected the coach because their kids were the favorites decided to leave (I guess Carlos started yelling at their kids and couldn't take it while looking how he did the same to other kids over the years).

Charles Martinez is aware and instead of removing the coach from the team, he's keeping him and calling for more tryouts. It's unbelievable.
 
jbarr said:
Why do they do it? They know that coaches are problematic and ignore all the signs and complains and keep the coach in the team despite that kid after kid decides to leave or not even sign up with the club because of the coach's negative traits.

Case in point, FC Valencia B07 Blue. Over the last three years, the coach (Carlos Santiesteban) has caused problems with his decisions and with his bad handling of situations and with his favoritism and yelling without teaching. Kid after kid has left. Parents have complained and Charles Martinez gets all defensive and tells parents to leave if they don't like it. Well, finally, the team exploded and 6 kids left the team in the last two months. Even the two most ferocious moms who protected the coach because their kids were the favorites decided to leave (I guess Carlos started yelling at their kids and couldn't take it while looking how he did the same to other kids over the years).

Charles Martinez is aware and instead of removing the coach from the team, he's keeping him and calling for more tryouts. It's unbelievable.
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SOP, my friend!!
(standard operation procedure)
 
toucan said:
You just gotta love guys like jbarr, who join the board so they can name-shame a coach while hiding behind a pseudonym themselves. He could have started a conversation without identifying the coach, but no, that is not "jbarr's" style. He wants to do it from the shadows and he wants to name names. He is a coward and deserves no respect on this board or any other. I hope somebody who knows him posts his true name on the board.

My best guess is that jbarr is an uninformed loudmouth parent who thinks he knows everything. I would bet money that jbarr is a cancer on the sidelines, and has alienated many parents himself with all of his griping and second-guessing. I doubt he has ever had a constructive discussion with the coach he now abuses.

Now, as to the coach in question, I don't know him, have never met him, don't coach against him, and never heard of him until reading brave jbarr's post. But I looked at the CSL standings. It looks like the coach has the club's B-team team in the age group. But in his three years (per jbarr's comments), he has gotten the B-team into the Silver bracket. All this despite "losing player after player." Makes me think that he is not losing them so much as letting them go. Sounds like the coach is teaching the kids pretty well, and that he probably pushed his B-team players (like jbarr's kid) into a higher level than they would ordinarily have reached. And to his credit, he guided the team to 4th place in a silver bracket. That is no mean accomplishment for a group of B-team players like jbarr's kid.

I think that jbarr should leave the squad ASAP, so that he no longer pollutes FC Valencia's sidelines. Let somebody else deal with his toxic presence.
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Sounds like the Tudela and FCGS guy...
 
Why should this kind of information be private? We are all trying to do the best for our kids. Avoiding bad coaches, clubs and other situations can only be done when the information is laid bare. Take the power from the clubs and coaches and talk about it.
 
1dad2boys said:
Why should this kind of information be private? We are all trying to do the best for our kids. Avoiding bad coaches, clubs and other situations can only be done when the information is laid bare. Take the power from the clubs and coaches and talk about it.
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Well, if you notice, it is only other coaches that are complaining about the coach being called out. Reminds me of the Catholic Church protecting the bad priests. I have found that most soccer coaches are completely lacking in self awareness. They don't realize that most parents hate their guts, even the ones who come up and chat them up and shake their hands. Been a part of many, many teams over the years and I noticed that most coaches don't have a clue as how disliked they really are. Sh*tty coaches are disliked and damn good coaches are dislike. Just for different reasons and by different people. Its the nature of the business.

Personally, I love to see people come on the boards and make it interesting!!
 
1dad2boys said:
Why should this kind of information be private? We are all trying to do the best for our kids. Avoiding bad coaches, clubs and other situations can only be done when the information is laid bare. Take the power from the clubs and coaches and talk about it.
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Exactly. Good coaches can overcome a post like this. Treat people right and don't worry about the rest. It will fix itself if the parent is the problem. Soccer world is small.
 
El Clasico said:
Well, if you notice, it is only other coaches that are complaining about the coach being called out. Reminds me of the Catholic Church protecting the bad priests. I have found that most soccer coaches are completely lacking in self awareness. They don't realize that most parents hate their guts, even the ones who come up and chat them up and shake their hands. Been a part of many, many teams over the years and I noticed that most coaches don't have a clue as how disliked they really are. Sh*tty coaches are disliked and damn good coaches are dislike. Just for different reasons and by different people. Its the nature of the business.

Personally, I love to see people come on the boards and make it interesting!!
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If you hate your kid's coach, maybe you should find a different team.
 
toucan said:
Please, somebody identify who jbarr really is. Then we can blackball his kid - not because the kid is bad, but because the kid's father is a cancer.
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Jesu! No, his father is not a cancer. People like you are a cancer. You want to destroy his reputation and punish his kid only because he dared complaining about a situation lived in different clubs.

The fact that you went out of your way to research the team and coach and whatnot tells me either you are that coach or his mommy or some coach with the same stupid characteristics than him.

Also, practice what you preach, it is super easy to threaten someone and organize a linching mob behind a nick name.

What's your real name, Toucan? So that we all avoid whatever team you coach?
 
toucan said:
Why do you want to protect jbarr? Why is it that you are so gung ho on name-shaming coaches, but believe it is wrong to name the accuser? Why do you object to even-handed disclosure? What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
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I have named coaches in the past and remained anonymous. The welfare of children takes precedence over the welfare of coaches. It is a small soccer world on the coaching side of things. If jbarr is blowing smoke, then the coach in question has nothing to worry about.
 
As long as the coach can fill a team, the club will keep that coach around. Vote with your wallet and tell your friends why you are leaving.
Or as the great wordsmith Vince Neil has said "Don't go away mad. Just go away"
 
outside! said:
I have named coaches in the past and remained anonymous. The welfare of children takes precedence over the welfare of coaches. It is a small soccer world on the coaching side of things. If jbarr is blowing smoke, then the coach in question has nothing to worry about.
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I call BS on your reply. There is no indication that jbarr is thinking of the "welfare" of any children. The fact that he joined the board to make a single accusatory post, naming the coach, proves the opposite; namely, that he is just hell-bent on destroying a coach's reputation. If he were really thinking about the "welfare" of his kid, he would just move him to another team and the matter would be closed. And as far as whether or not the coach has anything to worry about if jbarr is "just blowing smoke," well, why should a coach have to put up with that kind of libel? Why should a coach be forced to endure jbarr's "smoke?"

And again, why are you protecting jbarr? If he is going to name names, then why should his anonymity be protected? What do you have against even-handed disclosure?
 
toucan said:
If he is going to name names, then why should his anonymity be protected? What do you have against even-handed disclosure?
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It is not about protecting his anonymity, but the anonymity of his player. Remember, it is supposed to be all about the kids.
 
LASTMAN14 said:
Agreed. The post is certainly going in the same direction. Like the Tudela thread the original poster has seemingly disappeared from further posts.
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I have no problem with venting out, but first build a rep, don't just come first post throwing someone under the bus and walk away... Damn Trolls....
 
toucan said:
If you are going to name-shame a coach, as jbarr did, then he should have the courage to use his own name. That is what makes him a coward; not the fact that he wants to complain about a coach, but that he does it from the shadows, with no factual backup. Again, I hope somebody posts jbarr's name on this board.
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toucan said:
How do you "overcome" an anonymous poster who gives no factual basis for his opinions and who takes potshots from behind a wall? If this were a trial, then at least the coach would be able confront the witnesses against him. I don't think anybody objects to fair argumentation as to the merits of a coach. But I object to abusive people who start an argument from behind cover and then run away without ever showing themselves. jbarr is not somebody who is "trying to do the best for his kids." He is a coward who just wants to cause problems.

Please, somebody identify who jbarr really is. Then we can blackball his kid - not because the kid is bad, but because the kid's father is a cancer.
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Think of it kinda like a whistleblower. Are they always correct? No but can there be truth behind it? Yes. I wouldn't mind the accuser if completely wrong getting crushed but never their kid. That's why I like the anonymity. Plus if it helps keep coaches in check, all for it. The community always will know the problem parents so it will come around if they are crazy.

If our coach were to very blasted on here by some angry parent, people know his reputation around soccer so it wouldn't affect him much if at all. In fact I'm sure people will probably end up defending him since he's such a good character and coach.
Grace already even said she wasn't surprised so there COULD be some truth.
I always do my research and check the team/coach out before hand so you can usually tell if it is true or not.

On the flip side, I know coaches who are douche bags and not good at developing yet parents stay on the team so not everyone cares about the truth.
 
toucan said:
I don't want to "destroy his reputation only because he dared complaining." And there is no "lynch mob." But if jbarr is going to lob anonymous bombs while naming a coach, then he should have the courage to identify himself. As far as "punishing his kid," by not taking him on a team, I look at it differently. I would say it is protecting existing players from having a cancerous presence, like jbarr's, on the sideline.

Why do you want to protect jbarr? Why is it that you are so gung ho on name-shaming coaches, but believe it is wrong to name the accuser? Why do you object to even-handed disclosure? What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
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Even handed disclosure??? I may be mistaken Bob, but weren't you doing the same thing when people said you got the boot from Hollywood FC and after getting the gig at Boca, you came on disparaging the whole HFC club? Goose? Gander? So it's ok for a coach to talk smack about another coach or club but the paying customer should just sit down and shut up?

Not picking a fight or seeking an argument, just seeking clarification...
 
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